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hi all im new to the world of warhammer, only been playing for 2 months and i was just wondering if having a squad of nobz worth the points you have to pay for them?
if so how can they be used best to my advantage?
the last few games ive fielded 120 or so models in a 2000pt game but been smashed by armys who have 30 or so. would having nobz benifit me or not.

Fielding nobz the right way can be really beneficial. The downside is that they are kinda squishy. I prefer MegaNobz or biker nobz over regular ones.

To me there are 3 ways to field nobs:

Biker Nobz - Fast, decent firepower - very costly

Meganobz - Slow, rockhard tough.

Naked Nobz - Buy a waagh banner and run a bunch of nobz with slugga/choppa or at best uge choppa. This is a semi-hardhitting nob unit that doesn't cost that much. A great option if you are running a green tide style army. Keep them near the KFF mek and keep them alive until they hit.

NEVER go painboy, cybork body + PK on regular nobz. It is going to be costly, never be as tough as meganobz and almost never deliver its points back.

Mega nobz in trukks works quite well.

Will contradict DAaddict; do go Painboy + Cybork and one or two power claws (less if you are running the warlord of mek with them) and one or two big choppas + trukk + part of a KFF blob of units. If the mek is in the nob unit he'll get FNP and you can give him a burna for power weapon style attacks. They are awesome. Agree with DAaddict, don't get loads of claws, far too pricey. Don't forget a boss pole. They do take up a sizable chunk of the points availabel for an orky list but most other things to pad out an amry are dirt cheap.

Definitely will denefit you against small elite armies. Providing they are mobile nobs and not foot sloggers.

My problem with Painboy and Cybork body is 80 points. Sure it adds survivability but then the temptation is to add 2 to 4 power claws. That is 100 points. 180 points... that is 20 boyz plus a nob w pk and BP or 12 lootas that I may not field.

When playing orks, you want numbers. As soon as a nob costs more than a meganob it is not worth it IMO.

Different story though when talking about nob bikers as they are so hard hitting and fast. Then you are going for the deathstar unit so spend the points freely.

 stompygitz wrote:
Fielding nobz the right way can be really beneficial. The downside is that they are kinda squishy. I prefer MegaNobz or biker nobz over regular ones.

My buddy plays with 2 squads of meganobs in truuks. He brings Ghaz' and a warboss in mega armor.
Those are two dead 'ard units in todays game.

The trick is figuring out a way to make your own mega-nobs so your not forking out for the GW models.

Biker Nobz are the reason I started Orks, and then 6th Ed hit and they got even better! My entire army is based around them, giving them support in anyway possible and they're pretty good AND pretty fun! The biggest problem is that they're a HUGE section of your army that can be countered. Dark Eldar will DECIMATE them. S10 Large Blasts will WRECK THEM. Pretty much everything else gets crushed I'm a huge fan of a Painboy on them because they get it against everything but S10

Mobility: Their threat range is HUGE. Put them in the middle of the board and let your enemy worry about which way you'll send them. They have an average effective range of 19" (before WAAAGHH) and aren't slowed by terrain.
Higher toughness: Not only are they harder to wound, but S8-9 Power Fists, Leman Russes, Lascannons, etc don't instantly kill you and you get FNP against them! This is VERY frustrating against opponents as they'll just have to try and take you down with volume of fire (it'll take ~30 Bolter shots to take out a single rider )
Hammer of Wrath: Extra automatic hits before your enemy gets a chance to use their higher initiative? YES PLEASE!
Portable cover: Everyone on a bike gets a built in cover save that is even better than what normal bikes get!
Free armor!: The bike brings with it armor for the rider!
Good shooting (For Orks): A squad of 6 Nobz will take out only 2 Marines from shooting, but that's equivalent to 20 Space Marines shooting bolters. For Orks this is pretty good!

Now, as I said my army is built around them, so in a 1k point game I bring a full squad of 8 with a Warboss, and that's half my army. But I still think it's really fun and my opponents actually usually enjoy trying to gun down that one giant target (Especially when they're successful! )

 felixander wrote:
Good shooting (For Orks): A squad of 6 Nobz will take out only 2 Marines from shooting, but that's equivalent to 20 Space Marines shooting bolters. For Orks this is pretty good!

BS 2, twin linked, is a 55% chance of hitting. That's slightly better than BS3.

Given they are STR 5 hits and Assault 3 weapons.... yea... that is good shooting!

Biker nobs? Sure.

Other types? You would really just be better with shoota boy's

 labmouse42 wrote:

 felixander wrote:
Good shooting (For Orks): A squad of 6 Nobz will take out only 2 Marines from shooting, but that's equivalent to 20 Space Marines shooting bolters. For Orks this is pretty good!

BS 2, twin linked, is a 55% chance of hitting. That's slightly better than BS3.

Given they are STR 5 hits and Assault 3 weapons.... yea... that is good shooting!

That's why I listed it under the squad's finer points and compared 6 of them to 20 Marines

My friend always fields a unit of nobz with a pain boy and either ghazskull or a mega armoured warboss in a truck with a waagh banner and a few power claws. He gives the ones without power claws a heavy chopper each and gives them all 'eavy armour. Its expensive but in the last game I played against him it took 16 berserkers, Kharn, a chaos lord with axe of blind fury and about 8 terminators to bring them down.

 edbradders wrote:
My friend always fields a unit of nobz with a pain boy and either ghazskull or a mega armoured warboss in a truck with a waagh banner and a few power claws. He gives the ones without power claws a heavy chopper each and gives them all 'eavy armour. Its expensive but in the last game I played against him it took 16 berserkers, Kharn, a chaos lord with axe of blind fury and about 8 terminators to bring them down.

Personally I prefer leaving them with Slugga/Choppa. They'll kill the exact same amount of MEQ on the charge, will kill more GEQ on the charge, and PKs will take care of MCs/Vehicles anyways. Plus an MC/Walker will get to hit before the Big Choppa anyways. While 5 points a guy is kinda minor, I try to keep all my points tight unless it's a Deathstar (like my 10 Nobz + Warboss )

Nobz are great, partly due to their versatility. Biker nobz are the bomb, and probably the best overall of the lot. I also like regular nobs with 'eavy armor and a few claws, but they need a ride as much for protection as mobility. I never send any ork unit in alone no matter how tough it is, because the enemy may have something tougher! So the nobs are there to back up the boyz, or visa-versa.

I'm currently building a small squad of meganobz as well, just for the variety. They also need transport just because they are slow, but they should shed those bolter rounds much more effectively once they start foot-slogging it. Just be careful with their morale, since they don't have the boss pole option. They may need babysitting from an IC, unless you just want a 3 meganob torpedo!

DAaddict wrote:

NEVER go painboy, cybork body + PK on regular nobz. It is going to be costly, never be as tough as meganobz and almost never deliver its points back.

What?!

A decent mob of Nobz, usually 8-10 with a Painboy, Cybork, 'eavy armour & couple of Powe Klaws, can be vicious if played correctly. You just need to get them into close combat, either risk them in a Trukk or use a Battlewagon. I usually put a Warboss with them to make the unit extra killy. This is possibly my second most dangerous unit after Nob Bikers.

Meganobz may seem tough but that lack of an Invun save hurts them badly.

labmouse42 wrote:The trick is figuring out a way to make your own mega-nobs so your not forking out for the GW models.

I just got a couple units of these...




All nobs are good, just need to figure out how to use them to their best potential. I'm not against pain boyz and cyborks in a foot slogging unit either.

Biker nobs are the best, but if you have crummy luck, be careful with them.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALWAYS HAVE A BOSSPOLE.

3 out of 3 times I've used them, I've forgotten to use the bosspole, they wiff almost every attack, they lose combat, and then they get swept,

It's just insane. What's even crazier, is that I'll be fighting on with a 3rd of my list knocked out and STILL almost win

I love sticking 3 meganobs in a dedicated BW with a deffrolla and boardin plank. Shock and Klaw!

nobz in boyz squads are useless now....
they get challenged against everything and always get pwned.
only reason to take them would be for the bosspole and never take the PK... unless you know you will be assaulting AV13-AV14 vehicles...

i have never used nob bikerz nor meganobz.
i like Nob squad with cybork and painboy. just take slugga choppa, they dont all need bosspoles. and maybe 1 powerklaw if you can afford the points. in challenges you can just throw one in thats not your powerklaw.

warboss should go with the nobz aswell.....

in the end its up to u...
try everyhing out and then make a decision on what you should run.

Regular nobz are kinda pointless. Even if you forego the Painboy/cybork upgrades, but still give them some wheels, they cost a hefty chunk. I'd rather spend the extra 80-150 points to make Bikernobz and take the painboy - those are DAMN scary to see zipping at your flank.

Meganobz are very useful if used right. Their issue is they lack any real deployment and once their wheels blow up theyre stuck in a 24" circle of wherever they landed (they cannot run, and unless you make some crazy 10-12inch charge you are not getting them further than 24" any direction). If i run meganobz i pretty much accept the loss of first blood since even if you arent running a trukk list...they needf a trukk.. and a lone trukk is FB fodder.

A comical list i want to do is a MANz wall. Same idea as the Killakan wall but with MANz lol. Sincerely doubt it'll be effective but the response i'd get would be priceless.

Biker nobz are definitely worth it.

Other nobz tend to be kinda meh-decent.

I honestly feel that if you are running mega nobz you need the mad dok in your list.

9x Nobz w/ cybork body, 4x 'uge chopps, 4x power claw, painboy
Warboss w/ kitchen sink
Trukk

3-4 25 man squads of shoota boys, w/ PK nob

season to taste

If the warboss squad doesn't kill you, the rest of the army you ignore to do so will.

Just my 2c

man.. i hat having 15 reg nob models.. and no Manz or bikers. hmmmmm time to spend more $$$$$$

orkboy2d wrote:
man.. i hat having 15 reg nob models.. and no Manz or bikers. hmmmmm time to spend more $$$$$$

If you really want to, then I would suggest bit ordering Space Marine Power Fists off Ebay and 'orkyfying' them with pieces of choppas or sprue. Don't waste your cash if you know how to operate clippers and glue. I made my painboy by gluing a circular piece of sprue to his forehead like an old timey doctor's mirror and painting his tunic whit(ish) instead of black like the rest of my army.