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or eMorvahna, Morvahna2 (just for searches' sake).
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now the book is out, what are your thoughts? sinergies, lists, whatever...
I really like the model, plus (maybe someone will remember) time ago I was asking for ways to clear spells from my stuff (bad blood, I truly hate it), and she comes with Purification (same as Kreoss) yay!
only downside, she looks like a caster who loves troops over beasts, but I own very few and usually like to play with lots of beasts.

She is, without a shadow of a doubt, one of the greatest caster/locks to come out in the game for quite a long while. She might even be up there with Haley and Asphyxious in terms of potency. Her feat can bring up to 30 points worth of stuff back to life in ideal conditions (making it probably the best resurrection feat in the game), she allows you rerolls when something is critical to your success, and purification is just awesomesauce. So yeah, in short Goatvana is pretty damn amazing.

I think people are jumping the gun on her.

She is a good caster.. but she is no Ehaley or Egaspy Not even close to these two.

Her spell List.

Carnivore is nice nothing amazing, to me just a standard spell, its no screw your opponet over spell.

Death Knell - The cost makes it situational.

Fog of War - A good spell.
Purification - The only Amazing spell she got.
Sunder Spirit - A bad spell

So out of 5 spells.
2 That arent that good and wont be used much - Death Knell and Sunder spirit

2 Spells that are decent buffs.. but still no defenders Ward or Ignite for dmg... Carnivore and Fog of War -
*Not fog of war only effects certain armies. as most of the damage is in melee.

1 Spell that is an A+ spell, which is Purification

Overall.. its a average spell list to me.
No way she is a great caster/lock based on this.

Special Abilities.
Pathfinder - Nice to have, though she wont be in melee.

Imperishable Conviction - Wont be saving her from an assasination.

Scales of Fate - Is a nice spell, but i would rate Harbingers Martyrdom above this. d3 dmg for re rolls is something your not going to want to do often due to her feat takes damage boxes off your caster also.

Feat
Instead of a spell to bring things back at 1 focus per Warrior its 1 damage Per Warrior.

Units completly Killed can't be brought back.. so the Cavalry/medium based units will be focus fired harder so the whole unit is gone rather then 2-3.. And she doesnt do much to keep them Alive longer with her Spells.. If she had Defenders Ward.. then i would consider this feat better.

Units cannot attack or Run when they come back.

So to me Overall.. I kill 4 outa your 5 skinwalkers or Cav.
Next turn you bring 4 back.. that get to move once then stand there.. while i have a turn to retaliate to defend against them or kill them again.

So Overall..

Circle got a caster that casts Purification (3)/Carnivore/Fog of War. That just took up most of her focus. Only thing great here is Purification, and it really only messes with Certain Armies.

She can give re rolls.. but and takes d3 dmg for it.

She can bring back Warriors (As long as the unit is still there) that can only move and stand around.

(I consider Makeda's feat better at bringing back Warriors by far)

I dont see how this puts her even close to as good as the casters you listed.
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As for lists.. she is going to Favor 50 pt games over 35 for sure. I think she will be weaker in 35 than in 50... due to the fact you can have a good # of beasts and the infantry you need.

If you take 2x Heavy Beasts, Stones, Full Wolfriders, and full Skinwalkers.. You can easily eat up 35-38pts already and have 12-15pts left for filler infantry.

I would almost want 3x Heavies, 1x Medium Based unit, then fillers of more Infantry and solo's to taste.

I picked her up and have been having some success so far.

I have used Sunder Spirit for assassinations, it's got great range and boostable POW12 is still good.

Scales of Fate damage can be transferred. Nicely I might add to a Gorax.

Also, one of her best abilities is her Light Cavalry move.

Feat has won me a game on scenario just by preventing my opponent from getting to objectives by filling up the area with infantry.

 Spyder68 wrote:
Lots of stuff

You are completely ignoring the synergies that she has with Circle and within her own abilities and spell list...

Carnivore has huge synergies with both her feat and with Scales of Fate, allowing her to easily heal all the damage that she is receiving.

Speaking of Scales of Fate, unless my math has completely deserted me, it is statistically better than Signs and Portents and it costs her no Fury to use it.

Fog of War for all intents and purposes turns all the Stalkers and Morraig into Stealth models.

Purification is not just amazing, it is the best spell in the game.

Death Knell, when you have Stones as a teleported aiming point, is HUUUUUUUUGE! It is costly, sure, but auto-hitting 4 or 5 enemy models for POW 10's cannot be underestimated.

Sunder Spirit isn't awesome, but a boostable, re-rollable POW 12 RNG 10 spell is far, far from useless.

To top it all of, Ram, Life Trader and a 13" threat range allow her to finish the game herself if her opponent gives her half a chance.

IMO, she is by far the best Circle caster and whille she still is no pDenegra, or eHaley, or eGaspy, she isn't far from their level of power.

She still has many issues as a caster to me. Large base doesnt make it hard to kill her.

When honestly.. shes good, but not great when you compare to other factions.. which most are doing..


In short
Yes shes good for Circle, still has some issues that i want to see how they go after 4-6 months of play. But the statements of shes one of the greatest caster/locks out in awhile..

I dont buy that, shes been out less then a week ? There are many new casters/Locks out i would call better.

 Spyder68 wrote:
She still has many issues as a caster to me. Large base doesnt make it hard to kill her.

When honestly.. shes good, but not great when you compare to other factions.. which most are doing..


In short
Yes shes good for Circle, still has some issues that i want to see how they go after 4-6 months of play. But the statements of shes one of the greatest caster/locks out in awhile..

I dont buy that, shes been out less then a week ? There are many new casters/Locks out i would call better.

Ok, try this on for size then: less then a week after she has been released, Will Pagani won the Mayhem Cup with her... How many other casters can boast of doing that?

Bad example. Transfer Zerkova or pGoreshade to Circle and Will could win with them.

Its usually the player that wins, not the army at major Cons.

Some of the top players can take sub par armies and win.

I played against epic goat earlier this week. She was very strong, but my opponent did what I expect most people to do with her the first few times they play her: abuse scales of fate and leave himself at very low health for my turn hoping I have to kill infantry rather than going for an assassination.