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I played a game recently where the scenario was the relic. My opponent got to the relic in the movement phase with his bikes and turbo boosted 6 inches in the shooting phase. He said that the rulebook says no "running" with the relic and that it says nothing about no turbo boosting. Is this a correct interpretation of the rule? How do you guys play it?

liljeremyd wrote:
I played a game recently where the scenario was the relic. My opponent got to the relic in the movement phase with his bikes and turbo boosted 6 inches in the shooting phase. He said that the rulebook says no "running" with the relic and that it says nothing about no turbo boosting. Is this a correct interpretation of the rule? How do you guys play it?

This was also the ruling in a tourny I played in. I was fine with it as long as I knew it going into the game. Personally I think anything under that column in the back of the book that lets you move in the shooting phase should be considered a run. But I didn't nerd rage out when I lost to it. I had plenty of chances to stop him I just couldn't do it.

turbo boost is a "run" move. We only allow additional movement with the relic in the assault phase like Tau Suits or eldar jetbikes.

liljeremyd wrote:
I played a game recently where the scenario was the relic. My opponent got to the relic in the movement phase with his bikes and turbo boosted 6 inches in the shooting phase. He said that the rulebook says no "running" with the relic and that it says nothing about no turbo boosting. Is this a correct interpretation of the rule? How do you guys play it?

Check BRB pg 131, under Moving the relic, clearly says no more than 6" in any phase, so no 7"+ charges. You can turbo-boost, but no more than 6"

Again I had a tourny opponent do that to me, he spring it on me turn 1 with his nobz bikers and managed to pass the relic to big squads of boys behind a aegis costing me the game, was not really impressed but yea you can turbo boost or flat out, i.e anything that isnt a run move.

If you've got eldar Jetbikes, you can fly up, grab the obj and then move 6" in the assault phase.

I had a fun game where I did this three turns running. Each squad got hosed with fire off the objective in my opponants turn, but in the meantime I'd still managed to move it 18"

It's perfectly legal to Turbo- Boost with the Relic as long as you don't move more than 6 inches.
The only limitation on moving is that the Model holding it cannot run or move than 6 inches in a phase.
So Turbo- Boosting, Flat Out, Jetpacks, Jetbikes and Assaulting are all legal ways to move the Relic outside of the movement phase, as long as you don't move more than 6 inches at a time.


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tgf wrote:
turbo boost is a "run" move.

What makes you say that?
Sure, they're similar, but the BRB says you can't Run with the Relic. It doesn't disallow all Shooting Phase movement.
Turbo Boosting and Flat-Outing are legal.
In fact:

BRB p. 45 wrote:Bikes and Jetbikes cannot Run but can make a special Turbo Boost move

So clearly Turbo Boosting and Running isn't the same thing.

MarkyMark wrote:
Again I had a tourny opponent do that to me, he spring it on me turn 1 with his nobz bikers and managed to pass the relic to big squads of boys behind a aegis costing me the game, was not really impressed but yea you can turbo boost or flat out, i.e anything that isnt a run move.

What kind of Ork runs from a propa fight? I played a Relic game against an Ork player. He picked up the Relic with his mob of boyz, and brought it right to me. Then charged me. and wiped out my guys...

Indeed, it was the game 6 so last game over a long weekend, needed that win to go 3 for 3 on the second day, it was a white wash on my part, gaz on one wound, 10 boys with the relic I had devi squad, tac squad combat squad and a storm raven left, few dice rolls in my favour I could have had a 5 nil win, ended up 3-2 to the ork player, cant blame him for playing the mission though

tgf wrote:
turbo boost is a "run" move. We only allow additional movement with the relic in the assault phase like Tau Suits or eldar jetbikes.

Which is a houserule, as nowhere is turboboost defined as "run"

It shares some similarities with Run, but it is explicitly NOT a run move in 6th edition 40k.

Under rules for relic:

The relic may not move more than 6" in any phase

Phase. Not turn. I see this as legal as they explicitly specified phase, not turn making, a turbo boost (not being a run) of 6" legal.

Right the turbo boosting and assault moves under the current RAW is correct. However I doubt the intention of the 6 inch move in any phase was to say you can move it 12 inches in a turn giving some army a distinct advantage.
The logic behind not being able to run but you can turbo boost is just silly. I'd also argue the cant move more than 6 inches in any phase is accumulative from the start of your turn to the end. So in one turn it cannot go any further that 6 total inches because its fragile and fast movement will break it...

Just food for thought.

Lungpickle wrote:
Just food for thought.

Hardly.

You can invent whatever reasoning you want when you're trying to justify non-rule interpretations like that. For example, the relic is fragile, so running is no good, because it's not the kind of thing you can just hug to your chest and go sprinting across a battle field with. However, turbo boosting and flat out movements are fine, because you're able to secure the relic well enough with your vehicle/whatever that you can get another six inches of movement without damaging it.

Etc.

 Happyjew wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
Again I had a tourny opponent do that to me, he spring it on me turn 1 with his nobz bikers and managed to pass the relic to big squads of boys behind a aegis costing me the game, was not really impressed but yea you can turbo boost or flat out, i.e anything that isnt a run move.

What kind of Ork runs from a propa fight? I played a Relic game against an Ork player. He picked up the Relic with his mob of boyz, and brought it right to me. Then charged me. and wiped out my guys...

Now that is a proper krumpin!

Lungpickle wrote:
Right the turbo boosting and assault moves under the current RAW is correct. However I doubt the intention of the 6 inch move in any phase was to say you can move it 12 inches in a turn giving some army a distinct advantage.
The logic behind not being able to run but you can turbo boost is just silly. I'd also argue the cant move more than 6 inches in any phase is accumulative from the start of your turn to the end. So in one turn it cannot go any further that 6 total inches because its fragile and fast movement will break it...

Just food for thought.

So when it said "in any phase" they actually meant "in any turn"?

That is one hell of an "interesting" argument to make. There is absolutely no way you can claim RAI, none. RAW is clear

Lungpickle wrote:
Right the turbo boosting and assault moves under the current RAW is correct. However I doubt the intention of the 6 inch move in any phase was to say you can move it 12 inches in a turn giving some army a distinct advantage.
The logic behind not being able to run but you can turbo boost is just silly. I'd also argue the cant move more than 6 inches in any phase is accumulative from the start of your turn to the end. So in one turn it cannot go any further that 6 total inches because its fragile and fast movement will break it...

Just food for thought.

Even worse, with GK you can shoot it with a vindicare and then it wont move anywhere because you can only pick it up at the end of the movement phase. So armies are better at some missions. Deal with it.

Relic is a trash mission, you will never see it in a credible tournament...lol credible 40k tournament.

No, the trash mission(s) is that one with the random point value mysterious objectives.

The scouring is great fun, as you have to be able to plan to take or hold as needed. You need to be very flexible

tgf wrote:
Relic is a trash mission, you will never see it in a credible tournament...lol credible 40k tournament.

It's really not that bad. Definitely not a trash mission. And are you saying the BAO isn't a "credible tournament"? Or just trolling in general?

Given the totally unsupported idea that TB is a "run", somehow, trolling seems a fair assessment

rigeld2 wrote:

tgf wrote:
Relic is a trash mission, you will never see it in a credible tournament...lol credible 40k tournament.

It's really not that bad. Definitely not a trash mission. And are you saying the BAO isn't a "credible tournament"? Or just trolling in general?

Thought the BAO combine the eternal war missions?

It is a bore draw, decided on first blood really same as emperors will, in only one tourny I have been to have they changed relic, they combined relic and emperors will which was a good idea as it changes emperors will quite a bit, i.e you wont just sit there on your objective trying to get and deny first blood.

I think there's reasonable grounds to think that Turbo-boosting and Running may be meant to be interchangeable concepts. If you can't Run with the Relic, it does seem a bit odd to be able to Turbo with it. And given that 6th has removed the rule that units move as fast as the slowest member, it also seems counterintuitive and dumb for (say) a unit of Beasts with an attached Cavalry or Bike character to be unable to Run because the character can't. I strongly suspect that if you asked one of the studio guys, he'd say the character's still free to Turbo at the same time.

Anyway, the RAW (at least until and unless it gets FAQ'd) points the other way, but I sincerely doubt that's the intent.

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On a side note, I always feel a bit pleased inside when I encounter opponents who denigrate The Relic or Emperor's Will. It's usually a sign that they're inflexible players, not very adaptable, and who don't bring units which will help them in those missions. It's a fairly reliable sign that I can expect a win, or at worst a draw from them.

Indeed, I like both those missions as you have to change up your play quite a lot. Its like claiming the scouring is a bunk mission - it just means you havent planned well enough for it.

 Mannahnin wrote:


On a side note, I always feel a bit pleased inside when I encounter opponents who denigrate The Relic or Emperor's Will. It's usually a sign that they're inflexible players, not very adaptable, and who don't bring units which will help them in those missions. It's a fairly reliable sign that I can expect a win, or at worst a draw from them.

On the contary, I usually field at least one unit that is very good at getting first blood, in my normal lists its usually a sternguard squad in drop pod with meltas, any tanks go bye bye to those, or I design lists where it is very hard to get first blood, i.e my current list 3 DP's a LoC and two or three squads of horrors over 10 models, or my current tourny list 3 land raiders 6 hyperios and a PFG to protect those LRC's, very hard to get first blood in the first turn again. I find these missions too focused on first blood imo something I can easily get usually. Yes it is more of a defensive play needed, just find those boring which much rather go balls out which is probably why I am not the best tourny player! ha.

Scourging I do like as it is 6 objectives, it is quite a hard mission to win in the early rounds.

What kind of Ork runs from a propa fight? I played a Relic game against an Ork player. He picked up the Relic with his mob of boyz, and brought it right to me. Then charged me. and wiped out my guys...

LOL! WAAAAAAGH!!

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Indeed, I like both those missions as you have to change up your play quite a lot. Its like claiming the scouring is a bunk mission - it just means you havent planned well enough for it.

Funny, my track record of winning most games I play suggests otherwise.

I do appreciate the assumption though that just because someone might not like something automatically means they're bad at it.