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Southend-on-Sea

Looking at the preorder page a few things strike me.

1. It really hammers home how much the hobby price has increased no matter what ANYONE says when the armies used in betreps cost £400+ EACH and feature only about 25% more content than the old army deals that used to cost 125 quid.

2. They have some really imaginative descriptions for their stuff. Anyone seen honest trailers? Yeah id love to see someone do that kind of thing for the trumpet blowing nonsense they spout about these figures.

3. GWs painting standards are slipping big time

4. I STILL havent seen a figure made in finecast with a level of detail that couldn't be replicated in metal.

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 DiabolicAl wrote:

3. GWs painting standards are slipping big time


This is very true. The GW official paintjobs have been deeply uninspiring for a while now - just lacking in pizzazz and not showing all the detail of the model. The Averlorn dames would look miles better with a different paintjob, I'll bet.
   
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Those Shadow Warriors are really nice. After seeing the first picture(s) I was planning on making them my second GW purchase in the last 6 months, despite not playing/collecting High Elves.

But for 40,-..... Hell Naw

As long as GW continues their upward spiral of absurdness I'll happily continue spending my $$$ elsewhere.

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Australia

I'm still on the fence about weither or not to pick up an army. The shadow warriors are nice, but not $7 AUD a model nice, especially when the fame looks to have little variation thanks to all the maiden guard pieces.


As for the paintjobs, I have learnt to wait a week and see the first few good ones that go up on coolminiornot before making final judgements.

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 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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If you look closely they did put boobs on the maiden guard, just not DD. I think they look femine enough, except for maybe the heads but that could simply be the paintjob (the cheeckbones are harsh)
   
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 Robbietobbie wrote:
If you look closely they did put boobs on the maiden guard, just not DD. I think they look femine enough, except for maybe the heads but that could simply be the paintjob (the cheeckbones are harsh)


Pretty much this.

   
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England

The problem with the heads for me is the way the jaw line goes from their chin to almost the back of the neck.

I really like the Shadow Guard models though.

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 MajorTom11 wrote:


I kinda feel for em on the female front... people don't realize how tough it is to translate, and never seem satisfied. I think they could have done better if they made the 2 units you can make out of the box all female, but no matter what, any miniature company will be accused of being sexist for putting boobs, hips and lips on the models by half (which really when you boil down to it are the defining sillouette items that make something obviously female, it's not sexist to use sex characteristics to define sex lol!) or people complain they don't know what a female looks like when they don't go the pin-up route... In 28mm, you have to exaggerate, it's just a fact of the scale...


While I also like attractive female models, big boobs on High Elves wouldn't make much sense as they are a very militaric race where everyone is supposed to be a fighter...and big boobs might be a win for having fun in private, but are terrible in fighting situations. Plus: I don't see a race with so frail bodies suddenly growing D+ honkers. So small milk jugs makes sense for High Elves. Not to mention that the only reason for having bigger honks is attracting males and I don't see High Elves as a very disciplined race being in need of doing so.

Also: I prefer normal boobs, sth. B-ish :/

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Bristol, UK

Have I logged into the wrong site? This is the most bizarre conversation ever...

If you can keep your head, while all about you are losing their's, then you have probably completely misunderstood the situation!

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Hmm, well I'll be getting a book, the uniform guide and the spell cards, just got to decide if to go to my local GW or pre-order, but I am uncertain of any new kits to start.

Terrifying if the £30 price point starts to become the norm for Warhammer, but to be fair I didn't bat an eyelid when many 40K units went 5 man for £20 and continued to pick them up, so I guess I'm as much as fault as anyone.

Regardless, damn, that's a scary total when you put a few items in the basket.

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Southampton

Griever wrote:
 Flashman wrote:
Shadow Warriors are so frustrating... gorgeous models except for the stupid poses and then there's the price

EDIT - Anyhoo, I will take the Uniforms and Heraldry book and possibly a Skycutter for a bit of fun.


They're multi-part plastic so you can do your own poses.

I don't get the "Uniforms and Heraldry" books. I feel like that's something you buy because lighting your money on fire isn't quite as fun.


There's no corresponding right bow arm though.

As for the Uniforms and Heraldry Books, YMMV. I really like them because they expand on the background and the visuals are really nice. They also give nice ideas for variation colour schemes. Yes, you could call it burning money, but people spend money on daft things... alcohol, women, warhammer etc.

   
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For all the criticism the 'eavy metal team has gotten lately on the 40k painting (and deservedly so) these high-elve figures are gorgeous!

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£30 for a regiment of 10 is shocking O.o
   
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Bobug wrote:
£30 for a regiment of 10 is shocking O.o


Not really... unfortunately.

Thankfully I got my High Elf army pretty well built. I might buy one of the phoenix's, but I don't see myself buying much else.

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England

I suspect GW have seen what people are prepared to spend on FW models and realised that people will pay that much for their Plasticrack.

Sort of offset by the extra bits you get with Citadel figures...maybe...if you can find a use for them or sell them.

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 Souleater wrote:
I suspect GW have seen what people are prepared to spend on FW models and realised that people will pay that much for their Plasticrack.

Sort of offset by the extra bits you get with Citadel figures...maybe...if you can find a use for them or sell them.


I'm not prepared to spend forgeworld level cash. I've done it twice in the 16 years I've been playing. Both of those times were only after I received bonuses from work.

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Leerstetten, Germany

 djones520 wrote:
 Souleater wrote:
I suspect GW have seen what people are prepared to spend on FW models and realised that people will pay that much for their Plasticrack.

Sort of offset by the extra bits you get with Citadel figures...maybe...if you can find a use for them or sell them.


I'm not prepared to spend forgeworld level cash. I've done it twice in the 16 years I've been playing. Both of those times were only after I received bonuses from work.


So get more bonuses you lazy bum!

But seriously:

The only reason I am even interested in this release is because I already have a large amount of High Elves. So all I really need is the new Armybook, and one each of the new big toys (and only because I like the look of them).

If I would have to start from scratch with these prices I would tell GW to stick it.
   
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 thenoobbomb wrote:
 Robbietobbie wrote:
If you look closely they did put boobs on the maiden guard, just not DD. I think they look femine enough, except for maybe the heads but that could simply be the paintjob (the cheeckbones are harsh)


Pretty much this.


Yeah, GW paint jobs never really does the miniature justice.
   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
 MajorTom11 wrote:


I kinda feel for em on the female front... people don't realize how tough it is to translate, and never seem satisfied. I think they could have done better if they made the 2 units you can make out of the box all female, but no matter what, any miniature company will be accused of being sexist for putting boobs, hips and lips on the models by half (which really when you boil down to it are the defining sillouette items that make something obviously female, it's not sexist to use sex characteristics to define sex lol!) or people complain they don't know what a female looks like when they don't go the pin-up route... In 28mm, you have to exaggerate, it's just a fact of the scale...


While I also like attractive female models, big boobs on High Elves wouldn't make much sense as they are a very militaric race where everyone is supposed to be a fighter...and big boobs might be a win for having fun in private, but are terrible in fighting situations. Plus: I don't see a race with so frail bodies suddenly growing D+ honkers. So small milk jugs makes sense for High Elves. Not to mention that the only reason for having bigger honks is attracting males and I don't see High Elves as a very disciplined race being in need of doing so.

Also: I prefer normal boobs, sth. B-ish :/


Maybe I missed something, but I haven't seen a single person complaining about the size of their breasts. The boobs are not the problem. The problem is the hips, shoulders, legs, head, and arms. All of these don't look androgynous, they look male.

There really is no excuse for GW getting this wrong. I posted a list of examples above of sculptors making feminine looking figures without resorting to giant breasts, lingerie-armour, and so on. Tastefully posed and clothed, but unmistakably female. And keep in mind, this is from a series of minis that is truescale- so they are tiny compared to GW. It can be done. GW doesn't do it because GW doesn't think it's important to do it. GW doesn't think their customers care.

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The big problem with GW's female miniatures is the "Heroic" scale they use. This ridiculously disproportionate scale really doesn't lend itself to feminine models. The hands are too big. The legs are too short. There is no shoulder-waist-hip differentiation. The faces are blocky.

I'm sure that SOMEBODY out there could make good 28mm Heroic scale female miniatures, but they'll never been as good as true 28mm scale that have realistic proportions.
   
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 JOHIRA wrote:
Maybe I missed something, but I haven't seen a single person complaining about the size of their breasts. The boobs are not the problem. The problem is the hips, shoulders, legs, head, and arms. All of these don't look androgynous, they look male.

There really is no excuse for GW getting this wrong. I posted a list of examples above of sculptors making feminine looking figures without resorting to giant breasts, lingerie-armour, and so on. Tastefully posed and clothed, but unmistakably female. And keep in mind, this is from a series of minis that is truescale- so they are tiny compared to GW. It can be done. GW doesn't do it because GW doesn't think it's important to do it. GW doesn't think their customers care.

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DId anybody else notice that Mat Ward got his hands on another army book? I REALLY hope he left his cheese writing days behind. It ruins games.

 
   
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 Rustbucket3437 wrote:
DId anybody else notice that Mat Ward got his hands on another army book? I REALLY hope he left his cheese writing days behind. It ruins games.


If every army was Mat Ward cheesy, then we would finally have a balanced environment wouldn't we
   
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 d-usa wrote:
If every army was Mat Ward cheesy, then we would finally have a balanced environment wouldn't we

... and He-Man Comics would sue GW for copyright

But Mat Ward's cheesy days are over, his last two books were Necrons and Grey Knights, and who would play those

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Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but off the apple store preview for the High Elves 8th edition book.

Teclis drops in points and gets some BS for picking his magic spells!

LSG, BT all drop in points.













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Choosing one spell from each of the 8 Lores and he's only 450pts?! I'm not seeing a Teclis nerf.

   
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Well, bolt thrower stayed at 2 wounds, but at least it dropped 30 points.
   
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Rules dump below from - http://plastickrak.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/high-elves-army-book-leak-from-ibook.html

ASF, Martial Prowess and Valour of Ages are army wide

Lileath's Blessing: Mages get +1 to cast High Magic now instead

Reckless - Dragon mages get +2 to cast spells from the lore of fire

Warrior mage - First spell generated by dragon mage is always flaming sword.

Fireborn - 2+ ward save vs. wounds caused by flaming attacks

Lion Cloaks - Models wearing a lion cloak add +2 to their armour saves vs non-magical shooting attacks.

Ilthilmir Barding - No movement penalty for models using this barding

Some stats on Dragons have changed. WS, St, T and W are:
5 for Sun Dragons
6 for Moon Dragons with Ld.8
and 7 for Star Dragons with Ld.9 and A6
They all have a3+ AS
Dragon Fire - A dragon's breath weapon is S4, flaming
Still Large targets, flying, terror etc

Deflect shots - 6+ ward against non-magical shooting attacks

Dragon Armor - 5+ armor, 6+ ward and Fireborn Special rule (2+ ward vs flaming attacks)

Eagle Eye Bolt Throwers
24" range, S5 with multiple wounds D3, no AS

Eagle Claw Bolt Throwers are now 70 points

Windrider - A Sea Helm (character) on a Lothern Skycutter has 4+ ward against shooting attacks. Can Skycutter can also re-roll dangerous terrain tests.

Blessings of Ausryan - Any units that contain an anointed of Asuryan have a 6+ ward save and ItP.

Attuned to Magic - 5+ ward save. All close combat attacks count as magical.
When you roll to determine the strength of the winds of magic in your magic phase, you compare the highest roll on a single D6 to determine the effect:
1: -1 ward save
2: -1 Strength
3: +1 Initiative
4: +1 Attack
5: +1 Strength
6: +1 ward save (ie 4+)

Naval Discipline - If a unit contains at least one sea helm (character) and is successfully charged during the enemy movement phase, it may attempt to change formation (after opponent moves all of his charging units). If a Leadership test is passed, the unit may immediately make a combat reform. Cannot be use this if the unit has made a flee or stand and shoot reaction.

Great Eagles are 1+ for 50 points each
Can upgrade to:
Swiftsense = ASF for 10ppm
Shredding Talons for 5ppm = AP

Flamespyre Phoenix - 225 points
Fireborn, Attuned to Magic, Flaming Attacks, Fly, Large Target, Terror
WS5 S5 T5 W5 I4 A3 and Ld of 8
Phoenix Reborn - When it dies, place a phoenix reborn counter where it died. At the end of each turn, roll a d6 for each phoenix reborn counter.
1 - 2 dead forever. Remove counter.
3 - 5 Put the large round template over the marker, all models (friend and foe) suffer a s4 flaming hit
6+ It rises from the ashes. Place it anywhere within 6" of the counter, and at least 1" away with d3+2 wounds left.
Wake of Fire - May choose a unit that it moved across, that unit then suffers d6 s4 hits plus d3 extra hits per rank (not including the first rank). Hits are flaming attacks

Frostheart Phoenix - 240 points
5+ AS, WS6 S6 T6 5W 4A and Ld of 9
Attuned to magic, Fly, Large Target, Terror
Blizzard aura - Enemy units in base contact with him have ASL and are -1S

Magic items

Blade of leaping gold - 70 points
Wielder gains +3 attacks and any to wound roll of a 6 ignores AS

Star Lance - 30 points
Bearer has +3S on the charge and no AS can be made vs attacks from the star lance

Reaver Bow - 20 points
+1S, Multiple shots x3
Armor of Caledor - 50 points
2+ save, 6+ Ward, 2+ ward vs. flaming attacks

Shadow Armor - 25 points
Wearer gets a 5+ AS, the Scouts special rule and the Strider special rule

Shield of the Mermrym - 15pts
Shield. Parry save increased to 4+, can be used with a magic weapon. Cannot be used with a weapon that requires two hands.

Golden crown of Atrazar - 10 points
Talisman, one use only
2+ ward against first wound

Moranion's wayshard - 50 points
enchanted item
Models on foot only. Model gains ambushers special rule. He can give a unit of archers or Spearmen (up to a maximum of 30 in size) units the same rule (chosen immediately before deployment). If he does, he has to join that unit

Kharine's Ring of Fury - 25 points
Bound Spell, enchanted item.
Ring cast the spell Soul Quench from High Magic lore ie 18" 2d6 S4 hits

Gem of Sunfire - 20 points
Enchanted Item.
One use only.
All bearer's spells, shooting attacks, close combat (including his mounts) have +1 to wound, provided they also have the flaming attacks special rule.

Cloak of Beards - 10 points
Enchanted item. Wearer causes Fear. In addition, the wearer cause terror vs Dwarfs, however the Dwarfs gain hatred vs. the wearer. At the start of each combat phase, roll a d6 for each magic item (including runic items) carried by each model from warhammer armies book: dwarfs in base contact with wearer. On a roll of a 4+, the magic item is destroyed!

Book of Hoeth - 55 points
The bearer can re-roll a single die from each of his attempts to cast or dispel. Results of a 6 cannot be re-rolled.

Banner of World Dragon - 50 points
Unit has a 2+ ward against all wounds caused by spells, magic weapons, and magical attacks. Furthermore, all dragons within 12" of the Banner of the World Dragon have Stubborn special rule!

High Magic Spells:

Shield of Saphery - lore attribute
Each time a spell is successfully ast, the caster and his unit immediately gain +1 to their ward. If no ward save, you gain a 6+. Maximum ward save 3+, and is cumulative.

Drain Magic - Signature 7+
18" range
Can target friendly or enemy, becomes an augment for friendly units, and a hex on enemy units
all RIP spells affecting the unit are immediately dispelled, and the effects of all other spells on the target unit immediately come to an end.
14+
Affects all units with 18" range

Soul Quench - Signature 8+
magical missile
18" range
2d6 s4 hits
16+
4d6 s4 hits

Apotheosis 5+
augment
18" range
target immediately regains 1 wound
Target gains fear special rule for remainder of game
10+
d3 wounds instead of 1.

Arcane Un-forging 13+
Direct damage
24" range
Target a single enemy model. Target suffers a wound on a roll of equal to or greater than the unmodified armor save. No saves allowed.
Target reveals all magic items, one randomly selected item is destroyed on 2+.

Fiery Convocation 19+
RIP
Direct damage
24" range
Target enemy within 24" takes a Strength 4 flaming hit
At the end of every subsequent magic phase, every model suffers an additional Strength 4 flaming hit.

Hand of Glory 5+
Augment
18" range
Target's WS, BS, I or M (choose one) is increased by D3
10+
All the above stats increased by D3

Tempest 12+
direct damage
30" range
Place the large round template within 30" of caster, it then scatters d6". Models hit under the template suffer a s3 hit (flyers suffer a s4 hit). Any model that suffers an unsaved wound suffers -1 to all rolls to hit in both shooting and combat. Non BS skill shooting requires a 4+ to fire.

Walk between worlds 8+
Augment
Caster gains Ethereal special rule and then can immediately make a move of up to 10" as if it were remaining moves phase.
16+
The special move is increased to 20"
   
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- Mat Ward approved.

Banner of World Dragon is just...wow. Just. Wow. These rules are either made up or horrendously overpowered.

/e: Yep, confirmed that rules are made-up. Check the lore attribute.

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