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So in a game coming up I will be facing a guy from my lgs that I know plays heavy into ork bikers (nob bikers and regular) with wazdakka and loota support. I am planning on running a pure deathwing list and was wondering what would be the best loadouts to combat him. As well as general advice on deployment and objective taking. the game will be 1500pts, the list I have right now includes belial a squad a knights and 4 squads of troop termies with 1 heavy flamer, 2 assault cannons and 1 cylcone. Would different weapons be better? How would I work against his mobility?


Thanks for any advice.


note: I have plenty of greenwing guys (limited vehicles 2 x rhino chassis and 1 landraider) but no ravenwing at all if that helps with advice

If he is smart he is going to outrun you and dakka you down with the bikes and lootas. I run a bike orks and heavy terminator or bike dark angels... The good news is you can win it will just be an uphill battle. Ap is kind of irrelivany as ork bikes have a 4+ cover always even without jinking so they still fire at full ballistic skill but str 10 will pop 2 wound bikes. Vindicators will help pop 2 wound models and other than wazdakka his strongest shooting would be str 7 so rough vs av 13 glancing on 6's. Still a rough fight put bagel and his unit in land raider as nothing he has other than was can ranged glance the land raider and even then if he assaults the squad that assaulted will die to termies still going to be a rough fight

Str 10, Str 10, and just for variety: Str 10. Short of that, highest volume of Str4+ shots you can get.

He should be running a Painboy with the Nobz, if not you're in luck. Assault the regular bikes if possible, force as many Ld tests as possible esp. Against the Lootas. That's how I lost my Lootas last week. 2 wounds out of 8 models fail LD ran off the table ASAP:(

If the ork player if smart they will field loot as in 15 so they stay fearless and go to ground once they drop to 10 mass fire will do it but loot as are resilliant. Set em up in ruins go to ground for a 3+ cover and bs2 so you don't suffer as much from reduction to bs1

Heavy flamers do wonders against bikers (if you can catch up to them). Tank shock as well, if you throw enough tank shocks at the nob bikers you can potentially run them off the board.

If possible during terrain deployment try to set up areas that block LOS so you force him to bunch up and get closer than he wants to.

As a Necron player, My access to str 10 weapons is very limited. Any other suggestions? Destruct Teks ? Annihilation Barges?

bradleyo wrote:
As a Necron player, My access to str 10 weapons is very limited. Any other suggestions? Destruct Teks ? Annihilation Barges?

Despair-tek (or two) and Deathmarks.

 pretre wrote:

Despair-tek (or two) and Deathmarks.

I guess with the removes cover and ap1 then it would be down to only the FnP rolls.
The issue would be getting them into position I suppose.

And cybork as well. But yeah, just take the deepstrike orb or put them in a scythe.

bradleyo wrote:
As a Necron player, My access to str 10 weapons is very limited. Any other suggestions? Destruct Teks ? Annihilation Barges?

the S7 tesla weapons do very well vs nob bikers. just keep them at max range and back pedal away with them. their maneuverability on barges is great for this. Lootas need 6s to glance the barges as well. More resilient than the flyers vs loota fire. lootas typically gonna snap fire from going to ground constantly anyway.

weirdly enough, I've had a monolith suck in a biker or 2 before as I never encountered it before.



for deathwing players though, termies generally get whomped by nob bikers due to only being S8 vs t5 so no ID while the nob bikers are ID'ing the termies left and right with S8-9 attacks.

really need to kill their klaws before committing to the melee IMO. or greatly reduce their #s.

forcing LD checks is great, use positioning of your shooting units to kill off klaws/bosspole holder/painboy first to route the unit/remove FNP

Librarian w/ force word is a nasty one too. AP3, hits first, with ID. So they get a 5+/FNP or die instantly before they swing.


I wouldn't ever run lootas 15 strong. 10 max. being able to go to ground vs. the first shooting attack is too good. especially if playing eldar for instance and 3 guided war walkers with scatter lasers decide to open up on lootas first so lootas don't wreck them T1. just my 2c

As I have it now I have 4 five man termie squads and a deathwing knight squad. Would it be better to drop a squad and add the landraider? Would it be better to DWA heavy flamers or assault cannons and along with that, what combo of heavy weapons would be best? I do not have any vindicators so that is not an option for me. Would it be better to add a bunch of tacs for more volume of fire?

Thanks for the replies.

You have two rhino chassis proxy or magnetise a barrel to be removable. And yes a land raider would help a lot. If he is dumb enough to charge in and stick in combats you are set but if he zooms around bouncing shots off termites whittling them down then you would be hard pressed to catch anything but his lootas

Heavy flamers will completely negate his non-nob bikers, this is why i never run them. They lose the armor and cover and lack cybork/fnp the nobz have.

If you cant get Str10, pretty much dont take it unless its dirt cheap upgrade to let you wound on 2s. Str8 weapons for most armies cost a lot (not sure bout yours) and they will NOT help you against bikers unless its a pipplate that ignores cover. And at that, it wont cause ID even yet it'll just mess up his saves a bit.

Volumn of shots will also mess him up. Its only a 4+, its just a 4+ that doesnt go away in most situations. Volumn of fire will take out terminators eventually, and thats a 2+ thats failing. This is why my bikernobz always try to hide around sight blockers if they can...the less shots fired at them before they charge the better.

If you're playing Necrons I don't see how Nightscythes won't solve your problem. Eat up his lootas if he has any, proceed to shoot them off the board.

As for the DA player, the flamer Land Riader should do work. Template weapons and POTMS.

Gunline/ambush armies tend to work against bikers.