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 Hordini wrote:
If the school allows students to eat lunch on school grounds and bring their own lunch, than anything lunch-related would also be school related. If a spoon and a fork is allowed, then there is no reason not to allow a butter knife.

If you know that knifes are not allowed, and you pack something or bring something that requires a knife, then you are dumb. What if I bring a steak and need a steak knife? Or some home made BBQ which requires an electric knife? When does the safety of the school outweigh my need for meat!!!!!!!

Or....don't bring something that is not allowed.

Bring an apple slicer. Buy pre-sliced apples. Slice them at home and put some lemon juice on them and seal them to prevent browning. Have the kitchen lady cut it up for you. Or don't bring an apple.

 d-usa wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
If the school allows students to eat lunch on school grounds and bring their own lunch, than anything lunch-related would also be school related. If a spoon and a fork is allowed, then there is no reason not to allow a butter knife.

If you know that knifes are not allowed, and you pack something or bring something that requires a knife, then you are dumb. What if I bring a steak and need a steak knife? Or some home made BBQ which requires an electric knife? When does the safety of the school outweigh my need for meat!!!!!!!

Or....don't bring something that is not allowed.

Bring an apple slicer. Buy pre-sliced apples. Slice them at home and put some lemon juice on them and seal them to prevent browning. Have the kitchen lady cut it up for you. Or don't bring an apple.

Alright Oida, fine, you win! I'm not going to bring any apples or electric knives to school! Just don't come crying to me when you don't have anything to slice your homemade BBQ with.

 Hordini wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
If the school allows students to eat lunch on school grounds and bring their own lunch, than anything lunch-related would also be school related. If a spoon and a fork is allowed, then there is no reason not to allow a butter knife.

If you know that knifes are not allowed, and you pack something or bring something that requires a knife, then you are dumb. What if I bring a steak and need a steak knife? Or some home made BBQ which requires an electric knife? When does the safety of the school outweigh my need for meat!!!!!!!

Or....don't bring something that is not allowed.

Bring an apple slicer. Buy pre-sliced apples. Slice them at home and put some lemon juice on them and seal them to prevent browning. Have the kitchen lady cut it up for you. Or don't bring an apple.

Alright Oida, fine, you win! I'm not going to bring any apples or electric knives to school! Just don't come crying to me when you don't have anything to slice your homemade BBQ with.

To be fair: If you get real great BBQ, you will never need a knife.

 d-usa wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
If the school allows students to eat lunch on school grounds and bring their own lunch, than anything lunch-related would also be school related. If a spoon and a fork is allowed, then there is no reason not to allow a butter knife.

If you know that knifes are not allowed, and you pack something or bring something that requires a knife, then you are dumb. What if I bring a steak and need a steak knife? Or some home made BBQ which requires an electric knife? When does the safety of the school outweigh my need for meat!!!!!!!

Or....don't bring something that is not allowed.

Bring an apple slicer. Buy pre-sliced apples. Slice them at home and put some lemon juice on them and seal them to prevent browning. Have the kitchen lady cut it up for you. Or don't bring an apple.

Alright Oida, fine, you win! I'm not going to bring any apples or electric knives to school! Just don't come crying to me when you don't have anything to slice your homemade BBQ with.

To be fair: If you get real great BBQ, you will never need a knife.

At least we agree on the important things in life.

 d-usa wrote:
Because if you give people discretion it becomes a case of "you punished my child for x but not this child for y? They are pretty much the same thing, so I am suing!"

Zero tolerance policies cover your butt against parents who don't believe that their kids could ever do anything wrong.

You're right about that... it's just that its a really LAZY way to address this as Zero Tolerance doesn't really do anything. Most of the time, it erroneously punishes the kid.

I've told you my "Zero Tolerance" story, haven't I?

Anyways, point being that these schools are way too "zero tolerance", too "politically correct", or just incompetently ran schools... that I feel that their primary mission is compromised. Which is TEACHING the students.

 whembly wrote:
Anyways, point being that these schools are way too "zero tolerance", too "politically correct", or just incompetently ran schools... that I feel that their primary mission is compromised. Which is TEACHING the students.

What do you consider too "politically correct" like do you think it's OK to be calling people [see forum posting rules], retards, [see forum posting rules], etc in a school environment?

 Cheesecat wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Anyways, point being that these schools are way too "zero tolerance", too "politically correct", or just incompetently ran schools... that I feel that their primary mission is compromised. Which is TEACHING the students.

What do you consider too "politically correct" like do you think it's OK to be calling people [see forum posting rules], retards, [see forum posting rules], etc in a school environment?

No...not that political correctness... I mean, yeah maybe a little bit... maybe a better choice of word would be "Public Relations"?

These Teachers/School Administrators are scared shitless of the Parents... so, they're compelled to conform to lowest denominator (ie, zero tolerance, trophy for all kids, etc...).

 d-usa wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
A butterknife can puncture skin actually, just not that easily and it has to be in a certain area.

As plenty of people have mentioned before, so can dozens of other things that are often found in schools and are often used by students.

Which all also have a school function. Unlike a knife. Since there is no school-related reason for having a knife, there is no reason to allow one. A lead pencil is pretty much like an IV needle, both are short thin and pointy and can be inserted into the blood stream.. Should the presence of one allow the presence of another?

Sure it can.

1) School includes lunch.

2) A knife is used to eat food.

3) So, logically a knife would have a function in the school.


Also, cooking classes.



Now, some specifics would have to be hashed out. You coudn't take a steak knife because its sharp. A butter knife on the other hand is not. You would have to be quite vicious to seriously hurt someone with a butter knife, and at that point there are many other objects around a school that would be a better weapon so the knife itself would not actually have raised the danger level. That big metal lunchbox is far more dangerous than the butter knife.

Sharpness could be the determining factor for what you could and could not bring. Its something you can measure so its a standard that can be enforced.

 whembly wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Anyways, point being that these schools are way too "zero tolerance", too "politically correct", or just incompetently ran schools... that I feel that their primary mission is compromised. Which is TEACHING the students.

What do you consider too "politically correct" like do you think it's OK to be calling people [see forum posting rules], retards, [see forum posting rules], etc in a school environment?

No...not that political correctness... I mean, yeah maybe a little bit... maybe a better choice of word would be "Public Relations"?

These Teachers/School Administrators are scared shitless of the Parents... so, they're compelled to conform to lowest denominator (ie, zero tolerance, trophy for all kids, etc...).

I don't know, Finland seems to have a real efficient schooling system and they underemphasis grading and competitiveness and focus more on the desire to learn and it seems to be getting great results.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20321_5-things-it-turns-out-you-were-right-to-hate-about-school_p2.html