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Sign in blood is leaving standard with m14 though, so if you weren't going to use Jarad's Orders, it would have to be Altar's Reap. You might think about when you would play it also- with Desecration Demon and Corpsejack Menace, would you really be playing it on the fourth turn, or would it be more likely to be pushed back to five or later? When would be the best turn to play it?
Also, you might switch your basic land to 9 swamp, and 7 forest(or just take out a forest): you're a lot more black intensive than green.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Looking forward to it!

Oops, missed this one-

 Alfndrate wrote:
Looking at something along these lines for the 60 card version of the deck I made from the pre-release... Gotta test it first

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sliver-burn/

Have you tested it yet? It seems like the two wouldn't work quite well together, like Sentinel Sliver and Fiendslayer Paladin on the field, the sliver is just a generic 2/2 with vigilance. Imho, it seems like they don't build on each other like slivers should do. A hand full of slivers, or a hand full of non-slivers would be good, but if you draw a mix it's kinda meh. I would try to choose one or the other to focus on.

The only testing I got was during the pre-release event, so I haven't gotten a chance to test it at it's "60 card strength". I would rather play it as one or the other, but I just can't figure out what do to. And I rarely got the Thorncaster Sliver, so he was almost a moot point in the deck. Most of the time I ended up basically running a sliver deck, or an everything else deck just based on my draws. If nothing else, I might run a GRW sliver deck.

Edit: Besides Sasori's deck, any ideas on an Eldrazi deck? I was listening to purplefood get crushed on m14 Duel of the Planeswalkers last night against an Eldrazi deck and it reminded me I have a few of them.

Either make a dedicated mana ramp deck, or reanimation. It depends on your collection, what you have access to, and how fast you want it to be. On MTGO, my friend plays a pauper Eldrazi reanimator- a turn 3 Eldrazi sucks to play against(unless I'm holding that pacifism).
Edit: grammar

 Alfndrate wrote:
I would rather play it as one or the other, but I just can't figure out what do to.

Red Aggro deck for Standard? This is relevant to my interests.

4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Stromkirk Noble
3 Legion Loyalist
4 Ash Zealot
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Hellrider

4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
3 Brimstone Volley

4 Mutavault
18 Mountains

I think I need to branch out in M14 Currently I've been running my Red/White/Black Deck, which will probably inherit my shocks once Pillar of Flame disappears

I'd write out that decklist, but I don't remember it off-hand .

I guess I like my burn spells too much.

 redthirst wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I would rather play it as one or the other, but I just can't figure out what do to.

Red Aggro deck for Standard? This is relevant to my interests.

4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Stromkirk Noble
3 Legion Loyalist
4 Ash Zealot
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Hellrider

4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
3 Brimstone Volley

4 Mutavault
18 Mountains

Unfortunately, Searing Spear will be rotating out with m14. Have you considered Rakdos Shred-Freak instead of Lightning Mauler?

The rotation of Searing Spear and Pillar of Flame make me a sad panda, I need to find new burn spells .

Flames of the Firebrand seems like a semi-good replacement, but it's 3 mana. So Shock will most likely replace Pillar of Flame, and I'm thinking that unless I can find a better replacement, I'll try to pick up Turn//Burn for a 2 mana burn spell... Ugh... That 3 damage for 2 mana is too good to see disappear in Standard D:

This is a deck I've pretty much finished building:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/green-mana-ramp-17-07-13-1/

I can't wait to try it out...

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Jarad's Orders is good but costs four, by the time you can afford that you should be doing something better in your fourth turn rather than finding creatures for your fifth turn. Standard tends to be quite a fast game. Sign in Blood and Altar's Reap can both be played early to find early game land and gives card advantage. Grisly Salvage doesn't give card advantage because you spend a card to get a card, but does let you find land or a creature and full your graveyard, which is ideal if you're dumping scavenge creatures or Gravecrawlers.

Sign in blood is leaving standard with m14 though, so if you weren't going to use Jarad's Orders, it would have to be Altar's Reap. You might think about when you would play it also- with Desecration Demon and Corpsejack Menace, would you really be playing it on the fourth turn, or would it be more likely to be pushed back to five or later? When would be the best turn to play it?
Also, you might switch your basic land to 9 swamp, and 7 forest(or just take out a forest): you're a lot more black intensive than green.

Alright, that makes very good sense, I'll swap the Jarad's orders with Altar's reap, as well as swapping out a forest for a swamp.

So, my current deck is


And my Sideboard is


What do Ya'll think now?

I think I want to build it now...

He certainly has me thinking about it too

 The Bringer wrote:
This is a deck I've pretty much finished building:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/green-mana-ramp-17-07-13-1/

I can't wait to try it out...

Have you considered Gemstone Array? I'm sure there will be turns where you're just sitting on unused mana- might as well store it for a bigger hydra.

Alright, I've redone my deck a bit, and I think this is probably what I'm going to stick to, for the moment.

There are so many more cards I want to add, but I think at least the Main deck is done for now. The Sideboard probably needs a bit more tinkering though.
Main Deck:

Sideboard:


Thoughts?

Well, what do you plan to use each card in you sideboard? Are you just siding in hate cards, or do you have a specific strategy against certain deck archetypes(control, zoo, burn, aggro, reanimator, etc) Let's say you have Deathrite Shaman and Scavenging Ooze for a match against a reanimator deck. what will you take out? is your deck already good against a reanimator? if it a bad matchup?
With each card, you need to have an idea what to take out, or your deck could end up weaker than just leaving it alone. You need to try to find out what your deck's weaknesses are, and try to have a sideboard to help mitigate that.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 redthirst wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I would rather play it as one or the other, but I just can't figure out what do to.

Red Aggro deck for Standard? This is relevant to my interests.

4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Stromkirk Noble
3 Legion Loyalist
4 Ash Zealot
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Hellrider

4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
3 Brimstone Volley

4 Mutavault
18 Mountains

Unfortunately, Searing Spear will be rotating out with m14. Have you considered Rakdos Shred-Freak instead of Lightning Mauler?

Spear doesn't rotate until rotation - which happens when the new block is released. There's a 3 month overlap with 2 base sets legal in Standard.

Shred-Freak requires two colored mana - which isn't a big deal, but it does make it slightly more likely to be stuck in your hand. In addition, Mauler has the ability to drop on the third turn with Cackler or Noble or fourth turn with a Mutavault to give them both Haste - it's not a lot, but the pros do outweigh the cons of not having Haste as a static ability.

The Shred-freak requires a second colored mana, but with the way you have your lands set up, if you don't have a second mountain by turn 2 or by turn whenever then there might be something wrong with the mana distribution of your deck. Ideally you'd probably like to start the game with what 1 mutavault if you can get it and 2 mountains? That should pose no issue with getting the Shred-freak out. Though I do see why you'd want him atm over the shred-freak. Is there not a card with battalion that gives something haste?

As for the Searing Spear discussion, both Spear and Pillar of Flame are rotating out at the end of September, so while you're legal now, you're only legal for 3 more months.

Any idea on what you'll replace those cards with? I'm assuming that Pillar will be replaced by Shock.

 Alfndrate wrote:
The Shred-freak requires a second colored mana, but with the way you have your lands set up, if you don't have a second mountain by turn 2 or by turn whenever then there might be something wrong with the mana distribution of your deck. Ideally you'd probably like to start the game with what 1 mutavault if you can get it and 2 mountains? That should pose no issue with getting the Shred-freak out. Though I do see why you'd want him atm over the shred-freak. Is there not a card with battalion that gives something haste?

As for the Searing Spear discussion, both Spear and Pillar of Flame are rotating out at the end of September, so while you're legal now, you're only legal for 3 more months.

Any idea on what you'll replace those cards with? I'm assuming that Pillar will be replaced by Shock.

What should happen and what variance will inevitably throw in your face at the worst possible time are two different things - no point in playing something that you "shouldn't" have trouble casting when there's a viable (and in many situations, better) alternative that you should have even less trouble casting. The only situation that Mauler is worse than Shred-Freak in is when you have no other creatures on the board or your opponent plays instant speed removal on you Soulbound target - that's it. IMO, that's more than balanced by the fact that it can grant one of your 1-drops Haste if you happen to draw one after the first turn and gives you more keepable opening hands.

I wouldn't speculate on what I'll be playing post rotation until I have some idea what post rotation will look like - and that won't be until Theros is spoiled.

I guess I don't see how you can have trouble casting a 2 Red creature vs a 1C 1 Red creature when almost a third of your deck consists of red mana...

 Alfndrate wrote:
I guess I don't see how you can have trouble casting a 2 Red creature vs a 1C 1 Red creature when almost a third of your deck consists of red mana...

I'm not saying it's likely that I'd get screwed or that I'd have trouble casting it 95% of the time - I'm saying that however unlikely it is there's no reason to play something that cost RR over something that cost 1R that does basically the same thing with a bonus.

 redthirst wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I guess I don't see how you can have trouble casting a 2 Red creature vs a 1C 1 Red creature when almost a third of your deck consists of red mana...

I'm not saying it's likely that I'd get screwed or that I'd have trouble casting it 95% of the time - I'm saying that however unlikely it is there's no reason to play something that cost RR over something that cost 1R that does basically the same thing with a bonus.

As it stands now, your Lightning Mauler is better than the Shred-freak, I realize that and I don't contest it. I'm just having a hard time trying to figure out why you don't want to speculate on what you'd replace it with, unless you don't play standard. If you don't play standard than it doesn't matter.

Though with that being said, the way your deck is constructed you'd need to make a handful of changes to get it standard legal again

Ah, I stand corrected. I was under the assumption when the new core set rotates in, the old one rotates out. I believe that's what they did back when I was playing heavily- when did it change, or am I just misremembering?
With the abundance of cards like Terminus, Mizzium Mortars, and Bonfire of the Damned, relying on having a creature on the field when you play your soul bound may not be such a good idea.
Edit: Although with Mutavault, and just holdin a creature back in case of a board wiper, I can see the reasoning for the Lightning Mauler. It's basically a question of risk versus reward. You CAN haste out two creature with the mauler, but does that outweigh the benefit of guaranteed haste?
Edit2: I've been giving advice on the idea of m13 rotating out. Sorry everybody. Sign in blood is usually better than Altar's Reap unless you need a sacrifice outlet. My bad.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 redthirst wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I guess I don't see how you can have trouble casting a 2 Red creature vs a 1C 1 Red creature when almost a third of your deck consists of red mana...

I'm not saying it's likely that I'd get screwed or that I'd have trouble casting it 95% of the time - I'm saying that however unlikely it is there's no reason to play something that cost RR over something that cost 1R that does basically the same thing with a bonus.

As it stands now, your Lightning Mauler is better than the Shred-freak, I realize that and I don't contest it. I'm just having a hard time trying to figure out why you don't want to speculate on what you'd replace it with, unless you don't play standard. If you don't play standard than it doesn't matter.

Though with that being said, the way your deck is constructed you'd need to make a handful of changes to get it standard legal again

I don't speculate what I'll replace it with because I have no idea what the format will look like in 3 months when I'll need to change the deck. The only thing I could do at this point to make the deck "rotation legal" is take out all the m13 and Innistrad and replace them with worse alternatives... what's the point in that?

Why plan to replace Pillar with Shock when it's possible there'll be a better alternative in Theros? Ditto Lightning Mauler. In fact, why plan on playing RDW at all when it's possible Theros will make it completely unplayable.

I'll speculate on post rotation when I actually have some information about what the post rotation card pool will look like.

Yeah, you've got another three months for m13. I honestly thought it was rotating out with m14 rotating in. What kind of sideboard were you thinking about?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 The Bringer wrote:
This is a deck I've pretty much finished building:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/green-mana-ramp-17-07-13-1/

I can't wait to try it out...

Have you considered Gemstone Array? I'm sure there will be turns where you're just sitting on unused mana- might as well store it for a bigger hydra.

If mana overflow was a concern this is the card I would use: Omnath Locus of Mana

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Yeah, you've got another three months for m13. I honestly thought it was rotating out with m14 rotating in. What kind of sideboard were you thinking about?

I'll be playing the Rb version so the SB will be a bit different - this was just an example list since Alf wrote that he had what looked like a Sliver Aggro/Burn deck and wanted to go with "one or the other" so I posted up a list that went with the more competitive of those two.

Off the top of my head, though: Boros Reckoner would replace Phoenix against Aggro, some number of Chandra would come in for Pillar against Control, 4 Mortars against Midrange, and some number of Threaten effects to round it out.

Oh yeah, and I'd probably try and squeeze in about 3 of that new Enchantment that pings whenever a nonbasic land is tapped because it's bonkers vs 3-color decks.

 The Bringer wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 The Bringer wrote:
This is a deck I've pretty much finished building:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/green-mana-ramp-17-07-13-1/

I can't wait to try it out...

Have you considered Gemstone Array? I'm sure there will be turns where you're just sitting on unused mana- might as well store it for a bigger hydra.

If mana overflow was a concern this is the card I would use: [url=http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/omnath-locus-of-mana/]Omnath Locus of Mana

Speaking of creatures, Chameleon Colossus likes excess mana as well.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Speaking of creatures, Chameleon Colossus likes excess mana as well.

That would be good.

If I could put some mountains in this deck feral animist and savageborn hydra would do well.

I've been trying to get some khalni hydras.... if I can they would do very well in this deck

Alright guys, after some very extensive playtesting, Here is what I've setteled upon for my deck!



It has been working out phenomenally well.

I found I didn't really need the Altar's reap that much, as everything tends to come out so quick. I got ride of the Slitherheads, as the Diregraf ends up being even better for Scavange with a 1 cost (With Varolz of course) and it's a 1 drop 2/2

I found the Lotleth Troll didn't really need four of them. I tended to get one of them, use any others in my hands for it's discard feature. Corpsejack was just too expensive, and I didn't feel I was getting my worth out of it. Got lots of removal, and Tragic Slip heps with some of those pesky 1/1 cards. I of course, have lots of Removal, as well!

This is the deck I'm planning to take to FNM here next week, as I wish I could attend it today, but can't.

If you like, Please thumb up and comment it on here, so I can get it up on the hot Decks area, and perhaps get even more advice on it! http://www.mtgvault.com/xxsasorixx/decks/golgari-swarm-standard-deck/

Sidenot: Pulled 7 Mythics out of my box today, including a Kalonian Hydra! Pretty happy about that, and the free ratchet bomb!

 Sasori wrote:
Alright guys, after some very extensive playtesting, Here is what I've setteled upon for my deck!

Spoiler:

Creature (24)
3xDesecration Demon
4xDiregraf Ghoul
3xDreg Mangler
4xGravecrawler
3xLotleth Troll
4xStrangleroot Geist
3xVarolz, the Scar-Striped

Enchantment (3)
3xRancor
Instant (10)
2xAbrupt Decay
4xDoom Blade
2xPutrefy
2xTragic Slip

Land (23)
7xForest
4xOvergrown Tomb
8xSwamp
4xWoodland Cemetery

Sideboard:

Creature (6)
4xDeathrite Shaman
2xVampire Nighthawk

Instant (3)
3xTribute to Hunger
Sorcery (6)
2xAppetite for Brains
2xDuress
2xGaze of Granite

It has been working out phenomenally well.

I found I didn't really need the Altar's reap that much, as everything tends to come out so quick. I got ride of the Slitherheads, as the Diregraf ends up being even better for Scavange with a 1 cost (With Varolz of course) and it's a 1 drop 2/2

I found the Lotleth Troll didn't really need four of them. I tended to get one of them, use any others in my hands for it's discard feature. Corpsejack was just too expensive, and I didn't feel I was getting my worth out of it. Got lots of removal, and Tragic Slip heps with some of those pesky 1/1 cards. I of course, have lots of Removal, as well!

This is the deck I'm planning to take to FNM here next week, as I wish I could attend it today, but can't.

If you like, Please thumb up and comment it on here, so I can get it up on the hot Decks area, and perhaps get even more advice on it! http://www.mtgvault.com/xxsasorixx/decks/golgari-swarm-standard-deck/

Sidenot: Pulled 7 Mythics out of my box today, including a Kalonian Hydra! Pretty happy about that, and the free ratchet bomb!

Looking good! I'll mosey on over there and give you a thumbs up.

I didn't buy a box (not sure I can justify spending that much on a box ) I did grab 2 Blur Slivers, 2 Sentinel Slivers, 4 Striking Slivers, and 4 Hive Stirrings.

Looking to go Red/White/Green with my Sliver burn deck. I need another Thorncaster Sliver.

I'll pick up 1 to 2 more of the mana slivers, and 3 more predatory slivers. Not sure if I want the 3 or 4 mana white sliver. He gives a decent bonus, but it's a little slow for what I want

I'll probably have the deck list edited and reposted. I'd like to try play testing it, but I don't really have anyone to play with.