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Agreed! The new nemesis of mortals card, is a lot of fun, and i have yet to put it in one of my decks, but i think it might look cool in a gruul deck, where you could bloodrsh it, or buff it up a lot

So am I a douchebag?

Was playing in a tourney of commander today, up against some people with some $400+ Decks, where as mine is just a tweaked Oloro deck with two infinite combos thrown in just to be able to compete.

Story:

We were playing in two Pods (Groups of four players). The final game had three Oloro's (Myself, another guy, and someone who just bought the box so he could play) and one Arcanis. Because the Arcanis was 2-0-0 so far, the other two Oloro's started teaming up on him. One of the Oloro was at 80 health, the second was at 28, I was at 15, and the Arcanis was at 7. The 28 health guy had Act of Authority out.

I draw some cards from Greed and just like that, Sanguine Bond (I Gain Health, enemies lose health), Exquisite Blood (Enemies Lose Health? I gain health), and Pristine Amulet (Tap, add 1 colorless and gain 1 life) are among the cards in there. I play all three, but had to use the Amulet to cast the second card; Oloro has already gained me life, I have no other life gain. I pass turn.

The Oloro with A.o.A. out is about to asplode my combo, but I was able to convince him by asking him if he wanted second place, but only if he let it through. After a bit of debating, and with a glance to the last guy whose dominating the board, he lets it slide and my combo remains complete.

So, now comes the Arcanis' turn. He has a Fatestitcher out. He has been beaten down this entire game by both the other two, and I was actually able to get on his good side by countering a spell that would have killed him; hence why MY health was so low; they didn't appreciate it. So I look him dead in the face and ask him;

"Hey, want to come in second?"

He was really wanting to turn the game around at that point, and I was able to convince him to tap his Fatestitcher to untap my Pristine Amulet, and proceeded to combo out. However, rather than give EITHER of them second place, I gave it to the guy who was winning the game prior; he hadn't won a single game yet. The combination of these moves pretty much catapulted me into first place in the tourney, and I was given fifty dollars in store credit.


I won the entire tourney, and let's face it some of those decks were HUGELY expensive, so it's not like I could have done it without some form of politics, but part of me thinks that was a little low.

Commander is a social game- you just played their avarice and pride against them. Very shrewd of you. They'll probably remember it next time though.

Yeah, I've been put in the same pool as the young couple that pretty much makes any pod they play in a 2v2; undesirables :/



Anyway, looking at four new commanders, and was wanting some opinions on each;



The Good: So, Circu looks like he would be fun; Usually I run into a least three/four people a tourney all using the same commander (Four Kaalia's, four Oloros, three Arcanis), but its different every time. Circu pretty much guarantee's that if I disrupt one players infinite combo, the others can't do the same. Throw in some Clones/Cackling Counterparts/similar, and you can chew through everyone's library very, very quickly.

The Bad: I'm afraid of the vast amount of hate Circu would generate after his initial "touchdown". No one in my play group even knew what Trait Doctoring or Sphere of Safety did when I tried them in Standard, and it's the same people who play Commander. They wouldn't know what hit them the first time, but after that...... Circu go boom.



The Good: Been looking for a G/R commander for a while, and Hydras and Fireballs would love her. A deck would be pretty easy to build for her.....

The Bad:.... and that's what I'm worried about; most of her cards would almost have to have an X value she could take advantage of, which leaves little room for variety.



The Good: This is why I play Commander; the Politics. It's not "Whom can put together the most expensive deck", nor is it "Who gets a lucky draw", but it's all about the Political schemes and plotting that goes behind the scenes. I feel this guy is almost made perfectly for me (Put in with both helpful and harmful affects, like say Sapphire, Ruby, and Alabaster Leech) and helps you maintain a political edge.

The Bad: However, that's about all he has going for him; if it comes down to it, he can't Voltron the victory, and other than handing other players things and giving myself life, he doesn't have any sort of offensive capabilities. I don't know, it's weird.....



The Good: Something about these ladies just SCREAMS EDH potential; not for her instant speed exile ability, but her ability (When combined with Illusionist Bracer, Strionic Resonator, Rings of Brighthearth, Magewright Stone, Thousand Year Elixer, and Sword of the Paruns) means complete control of the entire battlefield; Attacking me? Nope, blink, melon farmer! Need him for some combo? Nope, exiled!

The Bad: They are kinda.... bad..... unless you get at least one method of copying their ability to spread the counters around. And despite having the color of the most tutors, it's still a crapshoot to get everything out on the field, only to be blowed up instantly.


What are your guys' thoughts?

 Slarg232 wrote:
So am I a douchebag?

Honestly, I'd have to go with yes, you are. Making an offer with one guy, then breaking it, only to do it again to some other guy, does not make you someone I'd enjoy being around.

On the other hand, it's a tourny, so there's that, but still. Not a very proud way of winning.

 Necroshea wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
So am I a douchebag?

Honestly, I'd have to go with yes, you are. Making an offer with one guy, then breaking it, only to do it again to some other guy, does not make you someone I'd enjoy being around.

On the other hand, it's a tourny, so there's that, but still. Not a very proud way of winning.

Maybe not a proud way of winning, but then again it was their own fault. He played them off of themselves, and it was their own decision to pass the turn. They could have wrecked him if they wanted to, but were persuaded not to. If I was at that table, win or lose, I would have rolled out on the flooring dying of laughter. I still think it was a pretty smooth move.

 Slarg232 wrote:


Anyway, looking at four new commanders, and was wanting some opinions on each;


What are your guys' thoughts?

I'm not really too fond of any of them to be honest. Out of those, I would probably go with Triad of Fates or Rosheen Meanderer. Leaning toward Triad of Fates, mostly because of cards like Vindicate.

 Slarg232 wrote:
So am I a douchebag?

Was playing in a tourney of commander today, up against some people with some $400+ Decks, where as mine is just a tweaked Oloro deck with two infinite combos thrown in just to be able to compete.

Story:

We were playing in two Pods (Groups of four players). The final game had three Oloro's (Myself, another guy, and someone who just bought the box so he could play) and one Arcanis. Because the Arcanis was 2-0-0 so far, the other two Oloro's started teaming up on him. One of the Oloro was at 80 health, the second was at 28, I was at 15, and the Arcanis was at 7. The 28 health guy had Act of Authority out.

I draw some cards from Greed and just like that, Sanguine Bond (I Gain Health, enemies lose health), Exquisite Blood (Enemies Lose Health? I gain health), and Pristine Amulet (Tap, add 1 colorless and gain 1 life) are among the cards in there. I play all three, but had to use the Amulet to cast the second card; Oloro has already gained me life, I have no other life gain. I pass turn.

The Oloro with A.o.A. out is about to asplode my combo, but I was able to convince him by asking him if he wanted second place, but only if he let it through. After a bit of debating, and with a glance to the last guy whose dominating the board, he lets it slide and my combo remains complete.

So, now comes the Arcanis' turn. He has a Fatestitcher out. He has been beaten down this entire game by both the other two, and I was actually able to get on his good side by countering a spell that would have killed him; hence why MY health was so low; they didn't appreciate it. So I look him dead in the face and ask him;

"Hey, want to come in second?"

He was really wanting to turn the game around at that point, and I was able to convince him to tap his Fatestitcher to untap my Pristine Amulet, and proceeded to combo out. However, rather than give EITHER of them second place, I gave it to the guy who was winning the game prior; he hadn't won a single game yet. The combination of these moves pretty much catapulted me into first place in the tourney, and I was given fifty dollars in store credit.


I won the entire tourney, and let's face it some of those decks were HUGELY expensive, so it's not like I could have done it without some form of politics, but part of me thinks that was a little low.

I wouldn't call you a douchebag.

You were political, and you double crossed both of your potential allies.

I use politics, but in a different way, I use very political cards, Howling Mine, Temple Bell, Jace, etc... Everyone benefits from me having a good board state, that kind of thing.

Then, I pull a win out of nowhere.

What about a Mono-Black Demon Deck with Shadowborne Apostles, Thrumming Stones, and Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker as the Commander?







Alternatively, Using Dralnu and a TON of stuff to protect him:

Seems like Shirei is your best bet to me. He can set you up with a horde of demons as long as you have 6 Apostles. Black also has the best tutors to search out that Thrumming Stone.

Thoughts? I'm seeing bant control having a counter to aggro. Prevents the early damage, and then provides krakens to beat aggro at what they were good at, but its really slow.

I think she looks great....

.... except her two loyalty counters. Just seems kind of weak for a four mana Walker. Tibalt, for instance, is two mana to make up for his two loyalty counters, though Kiora's +1 is arguably better.

Still, Vorel is going to love her in my EDH deck; +1, next turn Liquidmetal Coating, Vorel, then I get a Kraken every turn after.

Her -1 is smexy, though.




So, I have four friends who are going to be in town for a week in February, figured I would try to put together four Commander Decks for them. The commanders I'm thinking are:

Maga, Shade Tribal:


Jhoira


Bruna, for the friend who loves angels


Vorel




Already have a Vorel deck, Have Maga half way done, Jhoira will be simple to put together, and Bruna will work great as a Mulch/Enchant deck, giving us a large variety of decks. Got two months before they show up, so I have time.

Hey guys, what do you think of this GRW deck? Its just for casual play, but I want to hear some outside opinions on it



Thanks,

Lucarikx

I have become addicted to Commander as of late. I've scratch build a Red/Green/White token deck and am finishing up a Red/Blue/Black crazyness deck (it has stuff like Warp World, Whispering Madness, and Possibility Storm).

 The Bringer wrote:


Thoughts? I'm seeing bant control having a counter to aggro. Prevents the early damage, and then provides krakens to beat aggro at what they were good at, but its really slow.

It only starts with 2 loyalty which makes it really vulnerable to aggro decks, even with ramp it's going to be hard to protect

Also any deck with red? Shock,. you're planeswalkers dead... thats way better than aggro haha.

 The Bringer wrote:
Also any deck with red? Shock,. you're planeswalkers dead... thats way better than aggro haha.

Sasori and I were talking about this, we're fairly certain (and neither of us really play with planeswalkers), but you can do her +1 to give her 3 loyalty in response to the Shock being cast, so instead of shock it's Lightning Strike.... But I agree, 1 freaking damage spell and she's dead.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 The Bringer wrote:
Also any deck with red? Shock,. you're planeswalkers dead... thats way better than aggro haha.

Sasori and I were talking about this, we're fairly certain (and neither of us really play with planeswalkers), but you can do her +1 to give her 3 loyalty in response to the Shock being cast, so instead of shock it's Lightning Strike.... But I agree, 1 freaking damage spell and she's dead.

But it can only be cast during main phases, so all they need to do is shock it in response to you casting it during the first main phase, or they shock it during the combat phase when you can't cast the planeswalkers abilities, so its kind of a lose-lose.

 The Bringer wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 The Bringer wrote:
Also any deck with red? Shock,. you're planeswalkers dead... thats way better than aggro haha.

Sasori and I were talking about this, we're fairly certain (and neither of us really play with planeswalkers), but you can do her +1 to give her 3 loyalty in response to the Shock being cast, so instead of shock it's Lightning Strike.... But I agree, 1 freaking damage spell and she's dead.

But it can only be cast during main phases, so all they need to do is shock it in response to you casting it during the first main phase, or they shock it during the combat phase when you can't cast the planeswalkers abilities, so its kind of a lose-lose.

Like I said, we weren't 100% sure on that

In response to the Shock a Planeswalker question:

The opponent wouldn't have priority when Kiora resolves, therefore whoever controls Kiora has the opportunity to use one of her abilities before the opponent can react to her.

Also, considering U/G has access to some decent ramp, it's in all likeliness that you've got mana open to counter some spells. I hear Swan Song is pretty good.

Would they be making any Dimir, Selesnya,Azorius or Boros colored planeswalkers? or maybe one that could be based off of Orzhov? ( What I mainly am asking is if they might be making planeswalkers that are the colors of the guilds they have not made any for or based off of or put out yet.?) It doesnt have to be guild specific, but, does anyone think they could or might release a black/white planeswalker in born of the gods? or any others besides the Merfolk planeswalker?


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They probably will, but im just curious on the color combos, for some reason

U/W - Venser, the Sojourner
U/B - Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver and Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
R/W - Ajani Vengeant
B/W - Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
G/W doesn't have one yet. and seems to be the only color pair without a walker as of now (U/G coming and all.)

I think I remember part of the Theros story involving Elspeth trying to contact Ajani for some reason. I have a feeling he might be showing up in one of the upcoming sets. I could see him being part green.

Ajani has already been featured in the Artwork fighting Xenagos Ascendant.

He also follows the pattern, of a new+Old Planeswalker appearing in the second set.

I could see him as G/W.

Ok, Ajani as a g/w planeswalker would be cool, that could be a large reason why they kept leonin in the theros set, so maybe for born of the gods, the leonin will really grow in popularity, if they release any Ajani in born of the gods or journey into nyx

You know, I'm going to be disappointed if they don't release a Hercules type character; they already have the Ordeal of the Gods, which was essentially what Hercules had to go through.

I'm not sure if he should be W (Son of Heliod, who is the leader, a la Zeus), or U/R (Son of Keranos, God of Lightning), or even WURBG (So an EDH deck could use all the Ordeals)

My take on him?

WURBG CMC
1/1
Indestructible
If a permanent attached to Hercules would be sacrificed, return it to the battlefield attached to Hercules.

Definitely not Standard worthy, but imagine just how AWESOME of an EDH general he would be; 15 total Ordeals (Five mains, one for each of the Guilds). Assuming you could Hexproof/Sigarda him, every turn he would at *least*: Deal 3 damage to any target, search your library for 2 lands and put them into play, draw two cards, have someone discard two cards, and you gain ten life, and he gains +5/+5 every turn.


And due to the card set up and everything, you can't even say that's overpowered. I would run that general, I don't even care if it's competitive.

Edit: For added measure, let's give him

Heroic: Whenever you cast a spell on Hercules, you may search your library for an enchantment card and place it into your hand. If Hercules isn't enchanted, you may put it into the battlefield attached to Hercules.

 Slarg232 wrote:
You know, I'm going to be disappointed if they don't release a Hercules type character; they already have the Ordeal of the Gods, which was essentially what Hercules had to go through.

I'm not sure if he should be W (Son of Heliod, who is the leader, a la Zeus), or U/R (Son of Keranos, God of Lightning), or even WURBG (So an EDH deck could use all the Ordeals)

My take on him?

WURBG CMC
1/1
Indestructible
If a permanent attached to Hercules would be sacrificed, return it to the battlefield attached to Hercules.

Definitely not Standard worthy, but imagine just how AWESOME of an EDH general he would be; 15 total Ordeals (Five mains, one for each of the Guilds). Assuming you could Hexproof/Sigarda him, every turn he would at *least*: Deal 3 damage to any target, search your library for 2 lands and put them into play, draw two cards, have someone discard two cards, and you gain ten life, and he gains +5/+5 every turn.


And due to the card set up and everything, you can't even say that's overpowered. I would run that general, I don't even care if it's competitive.

Edit: For added measure, let's give him

Heroic: Whenever you cast a spell on Hercules, you may search your library for an enchantment card and place it into your hand. If Hercules isn't enchanted, you may put it into the battlefield attached to Hercules.

Don't you get it though?

You are the Hercules character, a disciple of the gods, etc etc, You are a planeswalker, BLAH!!

I don't think we'll see multicolored Ordeals either, The 5 gods of Theros were the primary "Major" gods, think of them as the most powerful of all, and thus there would be more magic surrounding them, their lore, etc.

The lesser gods, well, they team up with the primary gods from time to time, etc, whenever it suits them. Kruphix and Thassa might have more in common than one could gleam at first glance.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
You know, I'm going to be disappointed if they don't release a Hercules type character; they already have the Ordeal of the Gods, which was essentially what Hercules had to go through.

I'm not sure if he should be W (Son of Heliod, who is the leader, a la Zeus), or U/R (Son of Keranos, God of Lightning), or even WURBG (So an EDH deck could use all the Ordeals)

My take on him?

WURBG CMC
1/1
Indestructible
If a permanent attached to Hercules would be sacrificed, return it to the battlefield attached to Hercules.

Definitely not Standard worthy, but imagine just how AWESOME of an EDH general he would be; 15 total Ordeals (Five mains, one for each of the Guilds). Assuming you could Hexproof/Sigarda him, every turn he would at *least*: Deal 3 damage to any target, search your library for 2 lands and put them into play, draw two cards, have someone discard two cards, and you gain ten life, and he gains +5/+5 every turn.


And due to the card set up and everything, you can't even say that's overpowered. I would run that general, I don't even care if it's competitive.

Edit: For added measure, let's give him

Heroic: Whenever you cast a spell on Hercules, you may search your library for an enchantment card and place it into your hand. If Hercules isn't enchanted, you may put it into the battlefield attached to Hercules.

Don't you get it though?

You are the Hercules character, a disciple of the gods, etc etc, You are a planeswalker, BLAH!!

I don't think we'll see multicolored Ordeals either, The 5 gods of Theros were the primary "Major" gods, think of them as the most powerful of all, and thus there would be more magic surrounding them, their lore, etc.

The lesser gods, well, they team up with the primary gods from time to time, etc, whenever it suits them. Kruphix and Thassa might have more in common than one could gleam at first glance.

Not necessarily; They could go either way with the Guild Gods; 5 Devotion of either one color OR the other, or three (or so) of BOTH colors. It depends on how they do it.


Also remember,




But saying You as the planeswalker are Hercules is like saying you were Van Hellsing in Innistrad; what if I sided with the Vampires? Sorin was very much Dragula, Olivia could be considered such if you don't like the idea of Dragula being a planeswalker (Since she actually controls people).

Dracula*

Dragula is a song performed by Rob Zombie,

And actually, Sorin is NOT very much like Dracula, actually, very much opposite, he wanted to protect the humans of Innistrad, that's why he created Avacyn in the First place, the only way to ensure his people would survive was to create a balancing factor, Avacyn was that factor, Humans weren't too powerful but they were protected by her. Avacyn was actually created by Sorin in his image, she's kind of like a female Sorin, actually, lol.

Xenagos, the Reveler* is a planeswalker, his spark obviously has something to do with him becoming more powerful than the other gods, as he is seen towering over what once was Erebos and Pharika, clearly something involving his spark is reacting with the Mana on theros and is giving him this power.

Also, Ajani is not confirmed and his color alignment is unknown currently, Although, it's a pretty safe bet that he'll be W...

There's only going to be one 'walker in BNG, and it's Kiora.

Also, it very much is kind of like you're the main character, taking the place of the hero (heroic mechanic) and becoming a thing of legend, or showing your devotion to a certain god (devotion mechanic) .

So I somehow become a hydra if I use the Monstrous mechanic?

 Slarg232 wrote:
So I somehow become a hydra if I use the Monstrous mechanic?

I think you missed my point, lol