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Personally I'm not a fan of either- they both seem pretty meh to me. If I had the choose is go with the Queen not knowing the deck. It seems much more useful.

The token Hydra (not to be confused with Hydra token ) of the set. Can't go without a Hydra.

I could see that being used. If it dies, it still does something. Doubt I would do anything other than morph it unless times were desperate.

Also what's up with the horse look?

I've barely seen a morph card I'd use outside of limited.

Well, I just got sold on Temur Frontier for pre-release.

The two Chiefs they just spoiled today makes me want to make a Orzhov Beatdown deck; ones a 3/2 Gives Other Warriors +1/+0, the other is a 2/3 Gives Other Warriors +0/+1, both are BW Warriors. And then Athreos, God of Passage.

With Utter End, Silence the Believers, Thoughtseize, and others, I think this is going to be an amazing deck.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Hopefully we'll see some more warrior-creatures in black and white as the commons are revealed.


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I was thinking the exact same thing. Hopefully we'll see some more warrior-creatures in black and white as the commons are revealed.

Well, if nothing else, we have a black one drop from Tormented Hero.

Now, this card isn't impressive at all. I'm only sharing it because Colossodon is now a word.

I Colossodon. You Colossodon. He- she- me... Colossodon. Colossodon; Colossodoning; We'll have thee Colossodon; Colossodonrama; Colossodonlogy; the study of Colossodon. It's first grade, Wilytank!

Well, here it is folks..... mono green devotion, (sort of Post Rotation, a couple things will need replacing after khans)

http://www.mtgvault.com/tigerknight21/decks/mono-green-devotion-2/


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This deck is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just watch out for counterspells, and kill spells, unless you can 'outgrow' them with the power of GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 orkkiller21 wrote:
Well, here it is folks..... mono green devotion, (sort of Post Rotation, a couple things will need replacing after khans)

http://www.mtgvault.com/tigerknight21/decks/mono-green-devotion-2/


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This deck is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just watch out for counterspells, and kill spells, unless you can 'outgrow' them with the power of GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like you have a severe lack of trample and evasion. The deck seems like it could be chump-blocked all day long.

Thats just how the deck is built, its all supposed to be mana ramped early, and then you play the big creatures, etc. But you are not seeing something else, the deck is fine with getting chump blocked, since why not get the little buggers out of the way so next turn you can swing in, and nail your opponent

So question for you guys; how much of a Douche does it make you if you're in the middle of a Modern Masters draft, open up a pack and see a Foil Tarmogoyf ($450) and a normal Tarmogoyf ($200), and you just get up and walk off from the draft?

 Slarg232 wrote:
So question for you guys; how much of a Douche does it make you if you're in the middle of a Modern Masters draft, open up a pack and see a Foil Tarmogoyf ($450) and a normal Tarmogoyf ($200), and you just get up and walk off from the draft?

That's a pretty impressive pack right there.

It came up in my playgroup (The conversation, not the pack) and I wanted some second opinions.

 Slarg232 wrote:
It came up in my playgroup (The conversation, not the pack) and I wanted some second opinions.

Depends on the playgroup I suppose. I'd be pretty miffed since it's a draft, and fair is fair.

I could have sworn that actually happened at a draft- and I'm pretty sure they walked off. I would do the same. They can't really stop you from dropping since you already paid for the cards.

The consensus so far has been in two camps:

"That's filthy; it's like walking into a casino, dropping your chips at a poker game, not liking the number that came up and just leaving."

And

"You could either leave the Draft, or you should just ask to buy a new pack to replace that one."

I don't agree with either of those personally. They bought the packs- and no one loses anything if they walk off. If they don't want to participate, that's their deal. It's not like they're stealing packs from the store- they paid for it, it's theirs. They just decided not to trade cards that day.

I think the store should ban you from future events for doing that. Feel free to drop before the draft, but sitting at the table and having all opened a pack, or be mid draft if it were the second or third pack, and someone just walking out because they don't want to pass their pack around and keep it all. It's incredibly unsporting and shouldn't be tolerated in a gaming community. It also messes up the draft and likely will result in an odd number of people in the pod so someone has to take the by each round.

It's just cards, take the foil Goyf and pass it on and be happy. Don't be a greedy gak. I can't see an excuse for doing such a thing. There's just as much chance of you getting a Goyf passed to you should person beside you get such a luck pack.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I think the store should ban you from future events for doing that. Feel free to drop before the draft, but sitting at the table and having all opened a pack, or be mid draft if it were the second or third pack, and someone just walking out because they don't want to pass their pack around and keep it all. It's incredibly unsporting and shouldn't be tolerated in a gaming community. It also messes up the draft and likely will result in an odd number of people in the pod so someone has to take the by each round.

It's just cards, take the foil Goyf and pass it on and be happy. Don't be a greedy gak. I can't see an excuse for doing such a thing. There's just as much chance of you getting a Goyf passed to you should person beside you get such a luck pack.

I'm sorry but I see about ($)650 excuses to walk away with that pack. greedy or not its not specifically against the rules.

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I think the store should ban you from future events for doing that. Feel free to drop before the draft, but sitting at the table and having all opened a pack, or be mid draft if it were the second or third pack, and someone just walking out because they don't want to pass their pack around and keep it all. It's incredibly unsporting and shouldn't be tolerated in a gaming community. It also messes up the draft and likely will result in an odd number of people in the pod so someone has to take the by each round.

It's just cards, take the foil Goyf and pass it on and be happy. Don't be a greedy gak. I can't see an excuse for doing such a thing. There's just as much chance of you getting a Goyf passed to you should person beside you get such a luck pack.

I'm sorry but I see about ($)650 excuses to walk away with that pack. greedy or not its not specifically against the rules.

Plus it's one less person competing for the prize- usually a box. And it doesn't mess up the draft- they walk as soon as they open it. Unless you're doing hardcore draftmath there's nothing to be upset over.

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I think the store should ban you from future events for doing that. Feel free to drop before the draft, but sitting at the table and having all opened a pack, or be mid draft if it were the second or third pack, and someone just walking out because they don't want to pass their pack around and keep it all. It's incredibly unsporting and shouldn't be tolerated in a gaming community. It also messes up the draft and likely will result in an odd number of people in the pod so someone has to take the by each round.

It's just cards, take the foil Goyf and pass it on and be happy. Don't be a greedy gak. I can't see an excuse for doing such a thing. There's just as much chance of you getting a Goyf passed to you should person beside you get such a luck pack.

I'm sorry but I see about ($)650 excuses to walk away with that pack. greedy or not its not specifically against the rules.

No one can stop you leaving at any time. But for the sake of good manners and sportsmanship in the local community, they should stop you coming back.

Just got back from Midnight Pre-release. Twas fun, I won $50 in door prizes and got to draft Modern Masters. (Drafted Affinity minus Ravager, lost horribly to thankfully the guy who won the entire tourney.)

I can tell you that Sultai is pretty boss. You wouldn't think you could support a ton of Dredge Cards, but I had six or so of them in a 40 card deck comfortably. I did horribly because the best creature I got was Meandering Towershell, but eh, what can you do?

Mardu and Temur sell like hotcakes, so if you guys plan on playing those, GET THERE FIRST. Then it's Azban, then Sultai, then Jeskai. Do not underestimate Outlast, it's nuckin futs.

Also, on the subject of Taking Double Goyf and running, you can do that according to the official rules, and if you are banned from the store for playing, you can actually tweet to one of the community managers and if she catches it, she WILL cut that store off from all MTG products.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I think the store should ban you from future events for doing that. Feel free to drop before the draft, but sitting at the table and having all opened a pack, or be mid draft if it were the second or third pack, and someone just walking out because they don't want to pass their pack around and keep it all. It's incredibly unsporting and shouldn't be tolerated in a gaming community. It also messes up the draft and likely will result in an odd number of people in the pod so someone has to take the by each round.

It's just cards, take the foil Goyf and pass it on and be happy. Don't be a greedy gak. I can't see an excuse for doing such a thing. There's just as much chance of you getting a Goyf passed to you should person beside you get such a luck pack.

I'm sorry but I see about ($)650 excuses to walk away with that pack. greedy or not its not specifically against the rules.

No one can stop you leaving at any time. But for the sake of good manners and sportsmanship in the local community, they should stop you coming back.

If the person drafting next to me opens dual-goyfs, I'm going to tell him congratulations and I don't mind if you walk away. They got lucky, and I'm not going to be the jerk that gets all butthurt that he didn't pass a goyf.

And what is unsportsmanlike about it? They didn't want to pass $200 your way? The game hasn't even really started yet, and what they drafted if anything yet wasn't yours anyway.

Don't make out it's about me being a 'jerk' because I didn't get a card I wanted. How does that work? I want to complete the event I've paid to attend while someone else runs out in the middle because they got greedy? I don't complain about rare drafting, people can choose what they like, the issue is that they fully participate in the draft everyone has paid to attend. I wouldn't walk out if I got a good pack, I expect others to do the same. Spoiling the drafting pod by changing your mind mid-draft about playing because you got good cards is unsporting. One issue is that more often than not it will leave an odd number of people at the table, thus someone has to sit out of each round. If people always did this when they got good cards it would make for a poor and disruptive FNM. Drafting it part of the game.

It doesn't disrupt the draft pod other than you're more likely to see a specific card make the wheel. As for the tournament someone may sit out each round, but there's one less person you have to beat for the top prize. It seems more like a win/win for everyone. They get their expensive rares, your deck has more on-color cards, and there isn't as many people competing for the top prize. It's not unsporting if they decide to give up their chance for more cards. They walked away before taking to the field.

The fewer people in the draft the more difficult it is to pick up on-colour cards because the pool is smaller. I really don't know what you're talking about.

It is discourteous and rude to walk out of a draft part way. No can stop you obviously. But it would be heavily frowned upon among the players I know and likely people would not wish to share a pod with you in future. Take the cards, but it might not be easy to get a game in future.

Say you open a pack with two white cards you want- you take the better one, and with fewer people at the table the more likely it is you'll see that other card come back around to you. Thus you're more likely to get the cards you need to make a better deck.

We'll just have to agree we feel differently on the matter.