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Hello! New to Dakka (this is my first post) and I hope I've got the right area!
Anyway I am about to start collecting a Space Wolves army and I was wondering about chainswords and bolters. If a model has both a chainsword and a bolter, do they get the bolter attack and a chainsword in combat, even though the bolter is a two handed weapon? (I'm thinking I've confused myself over this completely but I thought I'd better ask, at the expense of making myself look like a fool)

The only unit with Bolter and Chainsword is a Greyhunter and he also got a Bolterpistol.

So you have to decide if you want to use the CCW/Pistol or Bolter

Anyways if you use the Bolter you cant assault anymore.

If you have a bolter, a bolt pistol and a chainsword, you can either shoot the bolter, and not charge, or shoot the bolt pistol and charge.

In close combat you gain extra attack for having two one-handed cc weapons (the chainsword and the pistol); having the bolter too will not affect this in any way.

Fandarel wrote:

So you have to decide if you want to use the CCW/Pistol or Bolter.

You have to choose whether to shoot with the pistol our the bolter, but using the bolter in the shooting phase doesn't stop you using the pistol and ccw later. It does stop you from charging, of course, but your choice of weapon in one phase has no effect on which weapons you use in another phase, or in your opponent's turn.

If you overwatch with the bolter you can still claim the +1 attack for 2ccw from the pistol and ccw in the proceeding assault.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
If you overwatch with the bolter you can still claim the +1 attack for 2ccw from the pistol and ccw in the proceeding assault.

Well, yes, because you always get that bonus. Having the bolter or shooting the bolter in any phase will not affect this in any way.

Some people have a mis-remembered idea that shooting the bolter might effect your ability to use the pistol.

To collect all of these in a nice, sufficient summary:

- You do not need to have a hand (or 2) for every weapon. You can 'store them on your hip/backpack/whathaveyou.'
- While using your boltgun will prevent you from charging, it does not prevent you from gaining the extra CCW attack for having both a chainsword and a bolt pistol.
- You may therefore, overwatch with your boltguns and then fight in combat with pistol and sword.

hope this helps.

zarnack21 wrote:
Anyway I am about to start collecting a Space Wolves army and I was wondering about chainswords and bolters. If a model has both a chainsword and a bolter, do they get the bolter attack and a chainsword in combat, even though the bolter is a two handed weapon?

Where is it listed that bolters are two handed weapons?

I can not find that anywhere in the rulebook.

 DeathReaper wrote:

zarnack21 wrote:
Anyway [b]I am about to start collecting[/b ]a Space Wolves army...
the bolter is a two handed weapon

Where is it listed that bolters are two handed weapons?

I can not find that anywhere in the rulebook.

When I first started playing 40k, I looked to the GW models to tell me what wargear they had and what that wargear was like. I think this is a common mistake for new players to make. The line of reasoning would go something like, "A Marine holds a boltgun with two hands, therefore it must be a two-handed weapon. Since my model only has two hands, how does he use his other weapons?"

This does, of course, lead to rules problems, as the OP has come across. It's just a matter of learning to read the rules more, and relying on "common sense" less.

I'm not sure common sense is the issue here I think it is lack of imagination.

Look at the patriot, he shoots a flintlock or riffle of some type, when the enemy closes he switches to tomahawk and pistol.

There used to be rules on 2 handed weapons and 1 handed weapons back in 3rd edition but they are long gone.

Instead now we have a rule that states that ranged weapons may not be used in close combat (except for Pistols which have the 'Melee' special rule).

 DeathReaper wrote:

zarnack21 wrote:
Anyway I am about to start collecting a Space Wolves army and I was wondering about chainswords and bolters. If a model has both a chainsword and a bolter, do they get the bolter attack and a chainsword in combat, even though the bolter is a two handed weapon?

Where is it listed that bolters are two handed weapons?

I can not find that anywhere in the rulebook.

C: BT, page 26

 Happyjew wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

zarnack21 wrote:
Anyway I am about to start collecting a Space Wolves army and I was wondering about chainswords and bolters. If a model has both a chainsword and a bolter, do they get the bolter attack and a chainsword in combat, even though the bolter is a two handed weapon?

Where is it listed that bolters are two handed weapons?

I can not find that anywhere in the rulebook.

C: BT, page 26

that is not the BRB...

Plus no one mentioned Black Templars and their 4th ed codex.

Elric Greywolf wrote:
When I first started playing 40k, I looked to the GW models to tell me what wargear they had and what that wargear was like. I think this is a common mistake for new players to make. The line of reasoning would go something like, "A Marine holds a boltgun with two hands, therefore it must be a two-handed weapon. Since my model only has two hands, how does he use his other weapons?"

This does, of course, lead to rules problems, as the OP has come across. It's just a matter of learning to read the rules more, and relying on "common sense" less.

It also commonly used to lead to the inverse problem, which was people thinking that Terminators got an extra attack for their storm bolter, because they hold it in one hand...