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I have just finished my copy of The Betrayer and I really enjoyed it. Although that may have something to so with the world eaters being my favourite legion

The only thing-



I can't wait to read the next one. Does anyone know if there is a book which follows on from The Betrayer, or is it not out yet?

P.S. wasn't sure if this belonged in here or general discussion so I rolled a dice to decide for me

Erebus has been established to still be running around as late as the 13th Black Crusade. It's going to be a major retcon if GW decides to kill him off.

Oh, I completely understand why he wasn't killed off, he's a major player in the series. I just couldn't help but want him to be killed.

Death is very relative in 40k they can always bring him back like eliphas.

i wanted more primarch angron, i love the world eaters and am collecting a HH WE army, i love Skaane and Kharn and plan on Making a destroyer squad based off of Skaane if i can ever figure out their weapon situation

i just really liked the contrast between Lorgar here and how he was in the First Heretic.

I cant say i like the whole Cabal and immortals angle that continued here, but thats a wider HH thing.

RIP Argel Tal

yea the cabal and "grammaticus" seemed to be shoved in this one and not really sure what part they played, i was on lexicanum before i read this and it sad argel tal (RIP) being alive during the siege of terra, i was shocked when he died

 Pwn'd You wrote:
yea the cabal and "grammaticus" seemed to be shoved in this one and not really sure what part they played, i was on lexicanum before i read this and it sad argel tal (RIP) being alive during the siege of terra, i was shocked when he died

well he is possessed by a demon, and as mentioned earlier "death is relative in 40k". so you never know

well fingers crossed then Kharn was my first favorite and Argel tal was my second and i still despise erebus

I enjoyed Betrayer a lot. I think Forge World should make a diorama of Argel Tal and Kharn fighting together.

 Pwn'd You wrote:
i wanted more primarch angron, i love the world eaters and am collecting a HH WE army, i love Skaane and Kharn and plan on Making a destroyer squad based off of Skaane if i can ever figure out their weapon situation

I think the latest FW newletter stated they are working on a WE squad which uses rad grenades and stuff - those were the destroyers weren't they?

They already released a world eaters specific squad

 Praxiss wrote:

 Pwn'd You wrote:
i wanted more primarch angron, i love the world eaters and am collecting a HH WE army, i love Skaane and Kharn and plan on Making a destroyer squad based off of Skaane if i can ever figure out their weapon situation

I think the latest FW newletter stated they are working on a WE squad which uses rad grenades and stuff - those were the destroyers weren't they?

That would probably be the destroyers. The book mentions something about the toxic sickness of jus being around their weapons or something.

Finished it last night. (forgot time, suddenly, 4 AM).

Loved the book. I really liked the Titan legion, 90 warhounds with ursus claws ftw.

Also, I can't help but think how great the title of this book reflects it. Almost every major character in it betrayed something or someone major.

Lorgar and Erebus were annoying as usual, for a second it's almost as if they would turn into Tzeentch worshippers and start throwing just as planned's at us..

Chancetragedy wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:

 Pwn'd You wrote:
i wanted more primarch angron, i love the world eaters and am collecting a HH WE army, i love Skaane and Kharn and plan on Making a destroyer squad based off of Skaane if i can ever figure out their weapon situation

I think the latest FW newletter stated they are working on a WE squad which uses rad grenades and stuff - those were the destroyers weren't they?

That would probably be the destroyers. The book mentions something about the toxic sickness of jus being around their weapons or something.

Found it. Forge World newsleter #339

"Will Hayes has designed the Legion MkIV Destroyer Squad; units within the Legiones Astartes that are equipped with, and expert in the use of, otherwise proscribed and forbidden weaponry. Considered dishonourable by some Legions, who eschew them altogether or make little use of them, the Destroyers’ arsenal includes rad-weapons, bio-alchem munitions and the crawling horror of Phosphex. These weapons, which irrevocably taint the ground upon which they are used, are otherwise forbidden by the Emperor’s own edict. The fire-blackened and chem-scalded Destroyers are often shunned and distrusted by their Legion brothers, yet none can deny the potency of their relic-weapons."

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Destroyers_Preview.html

HAHA saw those immediately when they came out, i have been trying to figure out how to make my destyoer Skaane squad, and now all i have to do is put jump packs on em and paint them black


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 Magos Explorator wrote:
I enjoyed Betrayer a lot. I think Forge World should make a diorama of Argel Tal and Kharn fighting together.

I second this, mostly because i am dying for a FW HH Kharn, but i think that would be amazing with dead smurfs at their feet

Oh god yeah, I'd love to see that. Especialy Argel Tal with the Custodian spear and Broadsword. :3

I think a FW Argel tal might be the most magnificent think ever, even better than the Russ and Lion Duel that they are supposedly releasing in 2015

Never actually imagined myself liking kharn till i read this book, was kind of surprised though when argel tal got killed :(

I agree I imagined someone like Sanguinius killing Argel - Tal. I like how the Traitor Primarchs are becoming Daemon Princes First Fulgrim and now Angron. I hope we see some more of Magnus it was awesome when he was having a conversation with Lorgar I really liked that (Im a bit sad like that).

I'm enjoying the primarchs ascensions as well.

I hoping they shwo the others as well as there is not much fluff arrounding the daemonic versions of many other primarchs.

I'm also loving the increased depth thatthey are putting into ther primarchs now - my fave aspect of Angel Experminatus was how much background fluff they have put into Perturabo now. Can't wait to see whatthey do when he ascends to daemonhood (can't find any images or fluff online about his daemonic form).

 Soladrin wrote:
Finished it last night. (forgot time, suddenly, 4 AM).

Loved the book. I really liked the Titan legion, 90 warhounds with ursus claws ftw.

Also, I can't help but think how great the title of this book reflects it. Almost every major character in it betrayed something or someone major.

Lorgar and Erebus were annoying as usual, for a second it's almost as if they would turn into Tzeentch worshippers and start throwing just as planned's at us..

How was Lorgar annoying ?

He verbally tore Magnus a new ass and pointed out his hypocricy and bullsh.it

He was not intimidated by Horus and showed how far his view reaches.

He correctly predicted that Sanguinus would not fall and why he would not fall

He put Erebus and by extension Kor Phaeron in their place

He ''saved'' Angron.

Went toe to toe with Guilliman.

The book made me dislike the Ultramarines more. Angron hit it dead on the head with their hypocritical "courage honor" stuff. If he was truly the great leader that smurfs think he was instead of calling Angron childish he would have told he was right in that he was mistreated by the Emperor, but their was still a chance for redemption and for him to prove his worth by killing Lorgar who was just using him.

I always wondered if Angron could have been a loyalist? I think so, he just needed daddy care, instead of Lorgar care. I mean to me, the Big E should have known that that one, of all his sons, needed a little extra hug now and then to reaffirm.

Angron was doomed from the second the high riders smacked the Butcher's Nails into his skull. Had he remained loyal, he'd have ended up dead from taking on something even he couldn't finish, a drooling vegetable as the Nails destroyed his higher brain functions or Russ would have finished the job as the World Eaters got worse and worse and eventually it was time for termination with extreme prejudice.

Of course, had the Emperor not been a total twit and helped his wayward son out with his "final battle" alongside his gladiator chums, Angron might have taken a bit longer to go irretrievably nuts.

Just finished it myself. Great book!

I was expecting it to be rubbish, I don't think much of most of dembski bowden's work. I thought The First Heretic was average at best, & Helsreach was dismal, but he seems to be getting there.

I loved the characterisation of pretty much everyone.

Argel Tal & Kharn, Bros forever.

"BUILD ME A THRONE, KHARN"

 somecallmeJack wrote:
Just finished it myself. Great book!

I was expecting it to be rubbish, I don't think much of most of dembski bowden's work. I thought The First Heretic was average at best, & Helsreach was dismal, but he seems to be getting there.

I loved the characterisation of pretty much everyone.

Argel Tal & Kharn, Bros forever.

"BUILD ME A THRONE, KHARN"

After reading this book ive set my other armies aside and have put 95% effort into my HH World Eaters.... and some 40k WE along with a throne im building for The most badass Primarch ever

 Fotherington-Thomas wrote:
Angron was doomed from the second the high riders smacked the Butcher's Nails into his skull. Had he remained loyal, he'd have ended up dead from taking on something even he couldn't finish, a drooling vegetable as the Nails destroyed his higher brain functions or Russ would have finished the job as the World Eaters got worse and worse and eventually it was time for termination with extreme prejudice.

Of course, had the Emperor not been a total twit and helped his wayward son out with his "final battle" alongside his gladiator chums, Angron might have taken a bit longer to go irretrievably nuts.

Again, he couldn't help without attacking Imperial citizens, and Angron would probably be even more obstinate and insufferable if he had his posse with him.