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I've honestly tried to find definitive answers for this so apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere, and I appreciate it is a contentious issue

1. Can wounds from a blast template attack [not barrage] be allocated to models that are out of LoS of the firing unit? The FAQ says that models out of LoS can be hit, but does not state anything about wound allocation. In the rulebook it says that wounds from a blast template are allocated as normal [i.e. wounds can only be allocated to models that are in LoS].
2. If the blast scatters, can wounds be allocated to models out of LoS? Seems to say it can in the rulebook.
3. If the blast scatters less than the BS of the firing unit does this count as a hit or a scatter?

Thanks in advance for the replies.

Put this in tactics incorrectly, sorry mods, can you delete the one in tactics?

1) The Out of Sight rules must be followed unless there is something over riding this P. 16 rule.

2) Same as #1

3) Why does it matter? A Scatter can still hit models, the same as if a hit is rolled on the dice.

Rules as Written :

1. No (must follow the "normal rules for allocation")
2. No (you will cause wounds, but you cannot allocate them as per the normal rules for allocation)
3. as in Scatter distance - BS = a negative number? Not sure.

How I play it (our game group anyway - house rules)

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Scatters in the opposite direction from the arrow

Rorschach9 wrote:
Rules as Written :
2. No (you will cause wounds, but you cannot allocate them as per the normal rules for allocation)

Still confused - in the rulebook [I've only got the little one so can't quote page numbers] it says on scatters "In these cases, hits are worked out as normal and can hit and wound units out of range and line of site".

To me it seems that if you hit, wounds cannot be allocated to models out of LoS, but if you scatter they can?

Wounding units is not the same as allocating wounds.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:
Rules as Written :
2. No (you will cause wounds, but you cannot allocate them as per the normal rules for allocation)

Still confused - in the rulebook [I've only got the little one so can't quote page numbers] it says on scatters "In these cases, hits are worked out as normal and can hit and wound units out of range and line of site".

To me it seems that if you hit, wounds cannot be allocated to models out of LoS, but if you scatter they can?

You can hit the unit
You can wound the unit (cause wounds to be added to the wound pool)
However, you are not given permission to ALLOCATE those wounds once they are in the pool to models within the unit. Any wounds that cannot be allocated are lost.
Wounds are allocated after you find out how many wounds you have caused.

Scattered or not does not make a difference to that.

(This is something that has been hotly debated here on Dakka, which is why I was specific about HIWPI vs RAW.)

rigeld2 wrote:
Wounding units is not the same as allocating wounds.

What's the point of clarifying whether units out of LoS can be wounded, if wounds can't be allocated to them?

Because there are powers that have effects due to being hit and having wound pools populated.

And because there still might be models in the unit that are visible. The scattering blast will contribute to the wound pool, which will increase the chances of visible models being killed.

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated. Makes LRBTs a little less scary, which is good

...and the scatter rules say that the scatter distance is reduced by the firer's BS to a minimum of 0" (p33)

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
it says on scatters "In these cases, hits are worked out as normal and can hit and wound units out of range and line of sight".
To me it seems that if you hit, wounds cannot be allocated to models out of LoS, but if you scatter they can?

As mentioned, wounds you cause from blasts on out-of-sight models can still be allocated to models you can see. There's another kicker to this - when it comes to allocating wounds, you go by line of sight from your UNIT, not from the model firing the blast.
So it's perfectly possible to hit, wound and then allocate to models that the blast firer can't see at all, as long as someone else in his unit can.

Make sure you check the rulebook FAQ on GW's website if you haven't already, in particular the change to how you may allocate wounds.

Here's one -

I've got 3 scarabs and a Tomb Spyder behind my Aegis Defense Line.

The Scarabs are so short you cannot see them to target them from behind the wall.

Opponent shoots (and hits) with a plasma cannon small blast on a Spyder and it also touches 2 scarab bases.

Can it wound them, even though the shooter can't see them?

It can wound the unit but no wounds would be allocated.

It will hit, and roll to wound, against the scarabs and the spyder. But the wounds against the scarabs will be lost, as there are no models in that unit within Range and Line of Sight. The Spyder is wounded as normal.

So overall effect here is that the Scarabs may as well have not existed, but if the weapon had an on-hit effect (like the Nightspinner's Doomweaver) they would suffer it. Also, if the Scarabs and the Spyder were the same unit the Spyder would have been allocated all the generated wounds.

Thanks, too bad its a pain in the butt to explain that everytime it comes up in a game.

"The Scarabs are so short you cannot see them to target them from behind the wall."

Also got to remember that you can not assault a unit you can not see. So i can run right up to the other side of the wall, but not shoot or assault the scarabs. However the reverse is also true...the scarabs can not assault me without first coming out from behind the wall.

A good rule of thumb is that if you couldn't pick the unit as the original target of the shooting you can't put any wounds on it.

If any scarabs had been in front of the wall in LOS, of course, wounds could be allocated to them even though the models actually covered were hidden.

This thread cleared up so much for me, and saved me alot of possible mistakes when it comes to wounding from my Doomsday Ark scatter.