Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

The list has a strong alpha strike balanced with mid range park on objectives type units with a bit of mobility.

HQ
Belial
Libby w generator n div

Command squad apothecary n devestation banner
Bastian unsure if a weapon or which type

Troops:
10 man DW 2 CML w ThSS rest pf SB
2 x 10 tac w PC W razorbacks TLLC will usualy combat squad parke near bastian in range of banner

2x dreads in drop pods focused for crowd control flamers n CC drop with beliel n DW

10 man devestator squad w 4 ML flak may combat squad as well.

Will almost always have 20 to 25 bolters in range of banner.
Large Alpa strike.

Thoughts appreciated

CMLs can't take TH/SS as it replaces all weapons ( ask yourself if the CML is a weapon).

I wouldn't mix DW and greenwing nor would I mix standard of devastation with deathwing.

Nor do the dreads particularly help as only one arrives.

Who's benefitting from the power field generator? How much use will you actually get from it.

Putting flakks into a dev squad makes them mega expensive and those bolters are now wasted for the banner as the MLs require a different target. There are better ways to deal with flyers.

To be honest it is a total mess. I don't really see a central idea to the list. You say alphastrike but it doesn't really have one unlike a full DW army all DW assaulting turn 1.

Everything seems under utilised like Belial, that generator, the banner etc etc etc. It just seems like you're trying to take advantage of everything in the book but are actually taking advantage of none of it....

Until it is cleared in an FAQ the CML w thss is open to debate because you can clearly have them w a storm bolter.
Drop pods can all come in 1st turn w the dw and beliel.
Everything else will be centered around the bastian command n libby in it maybe a combat squaded dev
ML are versitle help cover multiple needs.
Generator will radiate ot from any bastian edge.
Ist turn drop in front of biggest threat shot it up split fire a CML then assat.
That is a pretty large resilient group in your face.

The rest of the army can focus bolter fire on in range targets or focus fire 2 pC 4 ML and 2 TLLC on high priority targets alph strikers don't deal with. I can load squads and move them in the razors if necessary for mobility or protection from incoming flyers w nasty templates.

How can that not work together?
I could drop the command squad for mor bodies, few bikes or speeders.

I think the issue here is that your deep striking elements are liable to being cut off and surrounded from any support.

Which weapons will the Dreads have? DCCW and Flamers only? Not the best use for dreads in DA in my opinion. Better to give them TL Autocannons on both sides and use them as mortis pattern dreads (have Skyfire if they dont move), then loose the Devs in favour of some DW or RW.

Or keep the Devs and put them on an Quad in the Bastion.

Its not the best list from my point of view. The dreads need to change or they arent too useful, at least to my eyes, YMMV. They are liable to getting Tarpitted. The Termies are fine for Anti armour with 2x CML and good anti-horde with many SB/PF. But personally id take some TH/SS and LC termies instead of the SB variant. Maybe take the dreads out and add some Black Knights for good anti-tank and anti-infanrty?

The Standard of Devastation isnt too useful in an army with DW. DW cant use it, and as the SoD means that the units using it will castle up, so your DW will be out on their own, and be destroyed. Better to mix in some RW as they can use the banner. And they can move back to support you troops/be in range of support if needed.

And as the Tacs are sitting still with the SoD and Command Squad, loose the Las Razors. They are too easy to pop for First Blood and not worth their points. Our all Lascannon preds are cheaper than the Vanilla SM ones, take one of those.

Where is the Libby going?

This isnt really an Alpha Strike list, as not enough of it is hitting Turn 1.

Yes you can have CML and stormbolter but you cant have any weapons with TH/SS. Check the BA Furioso FaQ where GW deals with the same wording.

How can both DPs come down turn 1? Can't see a 3rd pod.

Also your tactic is reliant on going first. Unlike a proper alphastrike that uses either range or some other delivery system to get the first blow in.

I know how the generator works I just don't see what really benefits from it in your list. Though admittedly I didn't see the Bastion.

I get what missiles do but flakks should be in tac squads not devastators. Flyers always get the alphastrike so bunching your flakks into a single target is a bad idea. You could make it work by putting them in the Bastion and you've a serious AA unit that is tough to kill. But then your banner is exposed.

But seriously this list needs a central idea as at the moment it is all over the place. 2 CMLs are not an alphastrike. What do you want greenwing dakka maximizing the banner. Or DW assault alphastrike? What?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yes you can have CML and stormbolter but you cant have any weapons with TH/SS. Check the BA Furioso FaQ where GW deals with the same wording.

I agree with the comments you have made on this list, but this isnt correct.

The DA codex is not the BA codex. And there hasnt been a FAQ that disallows this for DA. This was legal in the old DA dex, and still works in this one. the dex says you replace the SB/PF with a TH/SS, and that any DW can 'take a CML', not 'replace X with a CML'

 HerbaciousT wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yes you can have CML and stormbolter but you cant have any weapons with TH/SS. Check the BA Furioso FaQ where GW deals with the same wording.

I agree with the comments you have made on this list, but this isnt correct.

The DA codex is not the BA codex. And there hasnt been a FAQ that disallows this for DA. This was legal in the old DA dex, and still works in this one. the dex says you replace the SB/PF with a TH/SS, and that any DW can 'take a CML', not 'replace X with a CML'

This.

Sorry HerbaciousT but you need to read the DA codex again. I
TH/SS replaces ALL weapons not just SB & PF. Is the CML included in all weapons? Well is it a weapon?

What was allowed in the old codex is irrelevant. You used to have a PF on the apothecary, now you can't.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Sorry HerbaciousT but you need to read the DA codex again. I
TH/SS replaces ALL weapons not just SB & PF. Is the CML included in all weapons? Well is it a weapon?

What was allowed in the old codex is irrelevant. You used to have a PF on the apothecary, now you can't.

Yes but you can replace the SB/PF with the TH/SS, and then take a CML after. The upgrades can be take in that order.

Dont have my codex to hand, but I think the TH/SS just says 'replace their SB/PF' doesnt it? In any case, if it does replace all weapons, you can still take the CML after the swtichout, so it still works.

Hopefully it will be FAQ'd in the future, but as far as I can tell it is still a legal loadout for a Termie.

Unfortunately that's not how the rules work. TH/SS replaces ALL weapons. The only other incident where this wording is used is in the BA Furioso Libby who replaces ALL wargear and the FaQ explicitly says that it is A no to the may take options. All means all.