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so I read on here that if I have models fired at wid a blast and such if they cant see they cant be hit. dumb rule. but lets say I lay my crisis suits and stealths down on the base can I do that as long as its on the same base? or am I readin it wrong. only reason I ask is cuz wid jsj it would be pretty cheap

Remember they have to see to shoot back though

Are you asking that if you put your crisis suits on the bases that were sent with them, but had them laying on the base instead of standing upright, would that be ok? My answer would be .... NO. You would clearly be modeling for advantage and I would be hard pressed to play with you. Would it be alright if a person took a Storm Raven and clipped the wings down to little stubs, mounted the rockets on the hull, and then cut the flying stand down to where the model was bout the same height as a Land Raider? It is on the stand that came with it but I am just trying to get a cover save from a Rhino .... NO, that would not be ok.

Hi, please use the real English words. Cuz = because, wid = with, readin = reading. Not to be rude, but using l33t or whatever that's called makes you sound ignorant. Further, English is a second language for a number of people on this board and it would be difficult for them to decipher what you wrote.

That said: blast weapons can hit models out of LoS. They can't wound them, which is radically different. However I do agree that it is a dumb rule.

Gluing your models laying down on the base is modeling for advantage. Personally, I'd probably allow it as there is usually enough terrain on a board that would make it virtually impossible for those guys to see me due to true line of site restrictions.

Brutal honest answer:

Nothing says you cannot lay the model down.

BUT

Lying down miniatures on stand = look really bad.
Modeling this way is TOO obvious a try at something cheesy.
You would get many confused looks at the models.
Resale value would suck.
You will want to sell when no-one will play with you.

Please try to write clearly, could not tell if that was an attempt at leet speak (but I did understand it!).

da feth is leet? I write how I speak but anyways another question I converted my commander with a piranha to do a kind of armored core hover tank deal turned out rly bad ass. game play wise what would you say on meh being able ta use it? ill get a pic up as soon as I figure out how ta get it off my phone. it stands a little higher then a suit and is longer in the front n back. My personal justification to it is that its showing iridium armor and moves slower then regular suits anyways plus the termi save so it is a tank >.<. And on the laying em down it would be a conversion I wouldn't just lay em down xD id make it look like they were crawling or something lol just gotta picture of possed crisis suits from like grudge or the ring xD crab walking suits would be awesome

TheBoy wrote:
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Seriously, please try to post so everyone can understand you.

I have no idea what these characters mean.

slower then regular suits

Do you mean slower than regular suits?

Unlike then, than is not related to time. Than is used in comparative statements.

First off - what they are saying is that you are not using English - you are using the english alphabet but not english words (da, meh, rly, w/d, ets) - those are not the words - they are shortened versions used online/texting to limit character count. On forums, people ask to use the complete word as not everyone knows what they stand for (every language has their own shorthand).

As for MFA - this is a tough thing most of the time. The thing is - laying the model down might look cool - but it severely reduces the profile - thereby would be considered MFA even if you think it look good.
Now - as a showpiece - that would be fine...but you will be hard pressed to find people that either 1) won't play you or 2) make you use the real profile for the model for them to target ...

That is a touchy item to try to do so be very careful...

Forum rule #5.

 DeathReaper wrote:

TheBoy wrote:
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Seriously, please try to post so everyone can understand you.

I have no idea what these characters mean.

I believe id was an old term for the subconscious. :p

While I will argue that "cos" has become common useage and is up for fair use, using language so poorly that it is impossible for us to understand you and answer your questions is an issue.
It's not that we are being grammar nazi's or snobs, I speak like a docker in person but I do try and make it as easy as possible for people to understand me online.

TheBoy wrote:
I write how I speak

Unlikely as "rly" is unpronounceable and you appear to switch between correct and incorrect spelling of various words in your post. Which means you think writing like that sounds cool but don't have the discipline to carry it through. You should know that my 6-month old uses words such as "da" and "em"; how cool is that? My wife and I think its cute.

TheBoy wrote:

game play wise what would you say on meh being able ta use it?

Ask Meh. Meh is the only one that could tell you whether or not they are able to use anything. Does Meh even play 40k?

TheBoy wrote:
My personal justification to it is that its showing iridium armor and moves slower then regular suits anyways plus the termi save so it is a tank >.<.

I'm not entirely sure what you are describing but it sounds like you've made up a new unit with it's own rules. Ask about those in Proposed Rules. Regardless you will need to discuss such things with your opponent. I'm sure Meh would be happy to let you know if it's okay.

TheBoy wrote:
And on the laying em down it would be a conversion I wouldn't just lay em down xD id make it look like they were crawling or something

This was understood as the situation and answered in posts further up in the thread.

For everyone's sake, Iridium Armor was an upgrade in the 4th Edition Codex for the Tau Empire.

It was experimental "weaponry" and could only be used once in the army.

It gave the model a 2+ save but made the Jetpack Movements D6".

C'mon, guys. At least do a little bit of background before arguing over wargear.

Couple of things:

English, do you speak it?

If you are asking if you can assemble your models in a prone position, sure. Good luck firing back, however. Plus, many players will most likely refuse to play you. Would you have issues with someone playing it like this to you?

I don't see anyone arguing over wargear. In fact, only the OP mentioned Iridium Armor at all.

Instead, I see
1) Awful net-speak
2) People trashing on the OP for the net-speak.
2a) And sometimes answering the questions he's asked, anyway.
3) The OP completely changing the subject from asking "If I model my Stealth Suit as though it's crawling, thus lowering it's profile, is that MFA?" to "And I made this completely unique character, and here are my rules... somehow it's related."
4) Your comment on Iridium Armor
5) Me being a douche (sorry about that.)

The answer is really simple and has been said previously but has perhaps been overstated slightly.

The models should have the same profile as they would if assembled properly. They can however have all sorts of extra bits and extensions to make them look cool. If the models look really cool then go for it but make sure you have some way of keeping the profile (I saw one person that modeled a smoke cloud into the general "profile" of the crouching suite a long time ago, it was pretty awesome).

I would outright refuse to play OP or associate with him in any way. Probably smack him in the face if he had the nerve to challenge me to a game too.

Powergaming is bad enough, but this? I'd quit the hobby *today* if this became the norm.

I'm a big believer in the rule of cool -- if it looks good (or like you attempted to make it look good), I'll allow it. If you just layed the crisis suit on it's back like a lame turtle, then I'd have a problem.

However, if you kept the crouching suit behind walls to block LoS, but I could see other suits over the wall, I'd argue that it's MFA and continue targeting the model as though the model were standing (I'd even use a non-crouching model to prove my point). If you did that after allowing that model to fire over the wall, THEN I'd probably stop playing, because you'd rather rules-lawyer and cheat than play a good game.

Your prone and crouching units aren't going to be able to establish TLOS to most targets, so you're really gimping your gunline by doing that.

Sure, it might (though is definitely MFA) save a few from getting shot, but units that can't shoot back in a gunline build are a waste of points.

Well, this has been a productive use of everyone's time. I'm going to go ahead and lock this before it devolves any further.

'TheBoy' - if you're not willing to make the effort to write in an intelligible fashion, you can't really expect everyone else to make the effort to figure out what you are on about. Dakka's rules ask for posters to use correct English out of courtesy for those who are going to have to try to read what they write. Please keep this in mind when posting in future.