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I ganked some of misterjustin's flyers from the booth, gonna pass them amongst my players.

Sounds...odd...

 Alpharius wrote:
Sounds...odd...

Spreading the word, and misterjustin had stacks on stacks of these things. One could almost literally make it rain with the number of flyers we had/were handing out. So I grabbed some to give to my Malifaux players, since many of them play other games.

Yeah, I'm hoping the Lost Desert board isn't too litter with "vehicles" and other stuff that would make too many board pieces useless for a Wild West environment, but that board is WAY down the road.

Every little bit helps!

At the risk of sounding like "that guy" I have to say I was slightly underwhelmed by these at Adepticon. Now hear me out, and bear in mind Secret Weapon is pretty much my go to for basing:

1. They're really really thin and were easy to move. Now, there was only 1 on display, and I guess they're probably more durable once more are locked together, but they still seem very thin.

2. The texture was kind of shallow. I think this is probably intentional and tied to the first one, but if that's the case I think I'd almost rather play on a felt mat or something like a hotz mat.

3. Comparatively, I think the FW realm of battle boards are much nicer. They're thicker. They're loaded with more detail. And they have terrain and such built in. You pay more, sure, but they felt a bit more worth it than these (so far)

All that being said, I'm hopin some of the future ones are more inspiring. I think this is a really great idea and obviously there is a market, but like I said, I couldn't help but be just a tad underwhelmed.

 cincydooley wrote:
1. They're really really thin and were easy to move. Now, there was only 1 on display, and I guess they're probably more durable once more are locked together, but they still seem very thin.

Were you talking about the ones in the Vendor hall? Because there were 3 on display, yes they're thin, they're just shy of the Nottingham Alternative, but they're solid and stable.

I was. There were two down it seems. The other was displaying the back. Whoopsies!

I don't think they were bad at all, but like I said, I was simply underwhelmed. At least the realm of battle ones give you some height and elevation. I'm reserving overall judgement until we see some new boards, but the scrap heap one didn't do it for me, especially considering if you want the wall set its basically as expensive as the RoB boards.

 cincydooley wrote:
I was. There were two down it seems. The other was displaying the back. Whoopsies!

I don't think they were bad at all, but like I said, I was simply underwhelmed. At least the realm of battle ones give you some height and elevation. I'm reserving overall judgement until we see some new boards, but the scrap heap one didn't do it for me, especially considering if you want the wall set its basically as expensive as the RoB boards.

You walked right by me and didn't even bother to say hello?



I'm on the right... the boards are on the left behind the young lady.

Why is the guy in the middle in so much pain?

Because we were up late drinking, and early Friday morning was rough

or he knew we were being photographed

Well gak! Honesty, I stopped by the booth two or three times to get a demo and the brushfire demo was always busy!! Which is a good thing!

I talked to Cyp briefly but honestly I didn't spend a ton of time in the dealer hall. Between the team tournament and demoing for CMoN, i was pretty busy. And it sucked, because I still haven't had a demo of Brishfire!!!!!


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 Alfndrate wrote:
Because we were up late drinking, and early Friday morning was rough

D

Touché to that. I was slammed Friday night and pretty much all day during the 40k team.

 cincydooley wrote:
At the risk of sounding like "that guy" I have to say I was slightly underwhelmed by these at Adepticon. Now hear me out, and bear in mind Secret Weapon is pretty much my go to for basing:

1. They're really really thin and were easy to move. Now, there was only 1 on display, and I guess they're probably more durable once more are locked together, but they still seem very thin.

2. The texture was kind of shallow. I think this is probably intentional and tied to the first one, but if that's the case I think I'd almost rather play on a felt mat or something like a hotz mat.

3. Comparatively, I think the FW realm of battle boards are much nicer. They're thicker. They're loaded with more detail. And they have terrain and such built in. You pay more, sure, but they felt a bit more worth it than these (so far)

All that being said, I'm hopin some of the future ones are more inspiring. I think this is a really great idea and obviously there is a market, but like I said, I couldn't help but be just a tad underwhelmed.

At least I won't have to fill in skull pits on the SW tiles.

As I see it, both have their uses, and I do love me some variety.

That's the thing I'm looking forward to the most. 16 tiles make A LOT of different combinations.

They were certainly thinner than the RoB battle board. I don't see how that's an issue, however. Even a colossal won't bend the tiles, I'm sure. It's not like I'm going to be standing on them.

cincydooley wrote:I was. There were two down it seems. The other was displaying the back. Whoopsies!

I don't think they were bad at all, but like I said, I was simply underwhelmed. At least the realm of battle ones give you some height and elevation. I'm reserving overall judgement until we see some new boards, but the scrap heap one didn't do it for me, especially considering if you want the wall set its basically as expensive as the RoB boards.

To note though, one of the main complaints surrounding the ROB board (besides the price) was the hills.. both due to their size restricting the ability to place terrain in certain instances, and a preponderance for models to slide off them. Owning an ROB board, is this a massive problem in my experience? Not precisely, although there were a few slides I don't find it to be a chronic issue. HOWEVER: When I was asking friends etc if they thought I should buy the ROB, every one that had issue with it universally complained about the sliding issue, and the price of course. But I tend to tune the price thing at this point, I expect most purchases in this hobby to hurt lol. That's issue #1 -

Issue #2 is in practice, if you take the ROB board, unless you configure the 'hill tiles' to be a big mountain in the middle side of the board, which is kinda gakky in terms of the options, the hills offer no real effective cover whatsoever. You still need a ton of terrain with an ROB board, don't fool yourself... it's not particularly fair to say that the 8X4 table, with a full set of themed resin terrain being the same cost as the ROB board means they are equal in gaming terms. With SW, for the price, larger board, equal quality and detail or better, with full cover-offering terrain means you are effectively game ready right then and there. Rob, get ready to spring for 2 extra tiles, and a whole smack of terrain, which if you cost that all in still makes the SW a much better deal.

I don't fault you if you simply prefer the ROB board, that is entirely legitimate and I'm not going to pretend it's not a great board, but I did want to tweak some of your 'value math' there, I hope I did so in a way that seems fair and sensible.

Valhallan42nd wrote:They were certainly thinner than the RoB battle board. I don't see how that's an issue, however. Even a colossal won't bend the tiles, I'm sure. It's not like I'm going to be standing on them.

Ok, so, thinner is no issue. As has been noted, he made a point to show the back of the board, precisely to make sure it was crystal clear the thing is cross braced and reinforced like crazy, with concentric circles no less, which have omnidirectional resistance as opposed to the grid which is vulnerable to diagonal torquing. I am pretty sure you can stand on it, although I will let Justin verify that, hopefully with a vid or pic lol.


It is definitely interesting the drop off in pledges coincided precisely with the moment Justin took his Adepticon hiatus... natural mid-KS quiet period, or directly related to a brief marketing black-out? Very interesting indeed...

I also wonder how many pledgers out there are watching this to see if 'theme X' gets unlocked before pledging, but def interested in 'theme X'. I have a feeling that number may be quite siginificant, perhaps even enough to unlock another theme. If I were in line for the ruined temple theme for example, I think I would pledge immediately and withdraw if they didn't make it there... pledging now in hopes of unlocking makes it more likely to get that unlock right? I am wondering what the trick would be to directly appeal to and encourage hopeful hold-outs to get on board, KS's are very interesting indeed, like a sped-up marketing microcosm...

My concern with it being thin is that it will therefore be very "bumpable"

When I was referencing the RoB boards, I was honestly thinking of the FW ones, all of which have really great terrain built in. I should have been more specific.

Sorry for not being more clear!!

 cincydooley wrote:
My concern with it being thin is that it will therefore be very "bumpable"

When I was referencing the RoB boards, I was honestly thinking of the FW ones, all of which have really great terrain built in. I should have been more specific.

Sorry for not being more clear!!

I think the problem with comparing these boards to the FW RoB boards is that the FW ones are fairly heavy piece of resin, and their price reflects their size and weight. For the price of a single FW tile I was able to pledge for this KS. Yes I got one of the 4x4 early birds, but you're still only 13 dollars below the regular 4x4 level. And the regular GW RoB are just as bumpable, and without clips, you're gonna bump a tile or two out of the way, and mess things up as you try and fix them.

 cincydooley wrote:
My concern with it being thin is that it will therefore be very "bumpable"

When I was referencing the RoB boards, I was honestly thinking of the FW ones, all of which have really great terrain built in. I should have been more specific.

Sorry for not being more clear!!

All in all, the smaller tiles (1x1) means that there is more contact with the table, as there is more edge on each piece. Then factor in the ribbing... there will be more friction if it does get bumped, so I think it would travel less. Plus, not being as tall means there's less chance of bumping the sides.


Either which, I just see most of the ROBs in frames anyway. I don't see this as any different.

Hehe. I'm pledged for now :-). In just hoping the future boards make me more excited than the scrap yard one did. :-).

Really curious how they plan on doing a trench with such a shallow depth on the board.


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I think I'm just being a stick in the mud naysayer. :-).

I love the FW boards, I love FW period... but holy poop expensive!!!

I have the strongpoint section from them, def awesomesauce. I was also looking at the Necron one to go with my zombie-bots but I have been waffling hard on it because really, when you look at the thing as-is there isn't any real cover on it, it is effectively a hill in the corner.

Thunderhawk works for cover though...

BUT - have to remeber, these bad-boys are 90 pounds EACH, plus some hefty shipping unless you crack that 250 pound limit. That is a ginormous expense compared to SW.. and you STILL need to get more terrain for the rest of the board, and factor in the cost of the rest of the board itself of course... insanely expensive... like crazy-town expensive.

At the end of the day I am not bashing GW or FW, I own em... it's really just arithmetic though, IF the SW boards appeal to you aesthetically, there is no way to slice it that ROB is at the same price point for a full playable board, not even close. That aspect of it is really clear cut which is why I took the time to rebut in detail.

If you don't like the look of the available themes though, no one needs anymore reason than that not to buy, no matter how good a deal it is, so fair enough!

 cincydooley wrote:
Hehe. I'm pledged for now :-). In just hoping the future boards make me more excited than the scrap yard one did. :-).

Really curious how they plan on doing a trench with such a shallow depth on the board.

For the trench works, the tiles with trenches will be 1.5" high, with the trenches and other details recessed down - If you want to mix and match with other themes, there will be transition sloped tiles, or, one would think perhaps some form of riser could be made or created that would allow the 'normal' height tiles to be raised flush to the trenches, giving you 3 'levels' of terrain in a single board... one would think .

For the slidey issue, spot on, there is a lot of contact with the table with the smaller tiles, and to be frank it isn't all that easy to chuck the ROB board, even unframed if they are clipped properly, as one piece it isn't light, if not precisely heavy either.

The key lesson is not to goldberg spear your gaming table no matter what it is made of lol!

 cincydooley wrote:


I think I'm just being a stick in the mud naysayer. :-).

No man, this and all the other questions/issues are completely legitimate, and frankly important to ask. Justin needs to be able to address all of these things in a legitimate, accesible way if he wants to continue to succeed, and so far, it has made me happy to see that when things came up he didn't plan for he has actually addressed them and solved most. You guys are doing him a favor, helping him make a stronger product offering. He won't be able to please every single person obviously, but you guys are helping him please most, that's a big deal!

What I'd like to see as a possible add on/stretch goal:

a series of tiles that could be a canal. I keep looking at my Pegasus bridge, and I look at that new bridge that Teutonic will be making, and I have to have an excuse to buy them.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

I also wonder how many pledgers out there are watching this to see if 'theme X' gets unlocked before pledging, but def interested in 'theme X'. I have a feeling that number may be quite siginificant, perhaps even enough to unlock another theme. If I were in line for the ruined temple theme for example, I think I would pledge immediately and withdraw if they didn't make it there... pledging now in hopes of unlocking makes it more likely to get that unlock right? I am wondering what the trick would be to directly appeal to and encourage hopeful hold-outs to get on board, KS's are very interesting indeed, like a sped-up marketing microcosm...

The risk that this creates of course, is that if (say) the "ruined temple" (or whatever) theme isn't unlocked at the end of the campaign, the whole thing risks a load of pledges being pulled, which can cascade downwards in the last days as more people pull their pledges and even potentially "re-lock" previously unlocked stretch goals. We again saw some of this in the RBG2 KS with the special ranks.

A real possibility, though KS has some funky rules about letting you back out right at the end!




These numbers aren't encouraging, though as Tom noted, now that Justin's back from Adepticon we'll hopefully see some damage control/marketing/stretch goal updates/etc.

 Alpharius wrote:
A real possibility, though KS has some funky rules about letting you back out right at the end!

How so? The idea of them not letting me remove/drop my pledge at the last minute makes me less likely to pledge on any campaign. I don't pledge on anything with the intent of dropping out at the end, but I've had to drop right down to $1 from $100+ on one occasion and decided to on a separate occasion. (Though I've backed far more in a significant manner).

For example, the trenches here - if I were to pledge on them with the intent that I choose them on the assumption that they get unlocked, I certainly wouldn't be willing to pledge at all if there was some new contingency that I couldn't remove the pledge. There are enough risks and delays with these things after they'e been funded without adding more uncertainty beforehand, after all...

 Azazelx wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
A real possibility, though KS has some funky rules about letting you back out right at the end!

How so? The idea of them not letting me remove/drop my pledge at the last minute makes me less likely to pledge on any campaign. I don't pledge on anything with the intent of dropping out at the end, but I've had to drop right down to $1 from $100+ on one occasion and decided to on a separate occasion. (Though I've backed far more in a significant manner).

For example, the trenches here - if I were to pledge on them with the intent that I choose them on the assumption that they get unlocked, I certainly wouldn't be willing to pledge at all if there was some new contingency that I couldn't remove the pledge. There are enough risks and delays with these things after they'e been funded without adding more uncertainty beforehand, after all...

You can't drop your pledge if it would cause the campaign to go below 100% in the last 24hrs, its not that funky.

Azazelx wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

I also wonder how many pledgers out there are watching this to see if 'theme X' gets unlocked before pledging, but def interested in 'theme X'. I have a feeling that number may be quite siginificant, perhaps even enough to unlock another theme. If I were in line for the ruined temple theme for example, I think I would pledge immediately and withdraw if they didn't make it there... pledging now in hopes of unlocking makes it more likely to get that unlock right? I am wondering what the trick would be to directly appeal to and encourage hopeful hold-outs to get on board, KS's are very interesting indeed, like a sped-up marketing microcosm...

The risk that this creates of course, is that if (say) the "ruined temple" (or whatever) theme isn't unlocked at the end of the campaign, the whole thing risks a load of pledges being pulled, which can cascade downwards in the last days as more people pull their pledges and even potentially "re-lock" previously unlocked stretch goals. We again saw some of this in the RBG2 KS with the special ranks.

Very good point... I should have been clearer with like a within 10-20k mark with a reasonable expectation of reaching it... even then, obviously no one should be screwed over for making a supportive gamble. At this point though, I would comfortably be assured that the damaged cityscape will be unlocked for example. Still, def shooting from the hip on that thought lol!

Alpharius wrote:
These numbers aren't encouraging, though as Tom noted, now that Justin's back from Adepticon we'll hopefully see some damage control/marketing/stretch goal updates/etc.

I dunno... he made 175% of his goal in 10 days, with 20 to go or so... I don't think it would be quite fair to call this anything but a success... that being said, a runaway success is desirable for anyone! I think conservatively it would be safe to say that by the end of it at the least he should make it to the 'rolling fields' generic tile set.

Remember Alph, there are only a tiny handful of KS's that went and got crazy funding... most of them outright fail, everyday a few more quietly disappear. It's a slippery slope to only categorize 'success' as going 1500% above your goal... remember that some of those company's that did that well were completely and totally unprepared to deal with it. I would call any KS that hits its funding goal and then actually delivers what is promised on time a success, nothing more, nothing less!

 Cyporiean wrote:

You can't drop your pledge if it would cause the campaign to go below 100% in the last 24hrs, its not that funky.

IE, it has zero impact on this campaign.

 Makaleth wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
You can't drop your pledge if it would cause the campaign to go below 100% in the last 24hrs, its not that funky.

IE, it has zero impact on this campaign.

It could. This is a campaign where people are not pledging for 100% funding, they're pledging for stretch goals. People who want the Scrap table are safe, but anyone else could potentially be left holding the bag if there aren't more than $80K in pledges for just that first theme.

And incidentally, that first theme is the worst theme. Modular boards are good for sunken terrain like trenches and canals, and for inherently grid-based terrain like streets. The modular scrap board forces what should be an organic terrain piece into a rigid grid pattern.

I am curious to see the ruined urban city tiles. That is what I am mostly interested in.

The canal idea previously mentioned is a great thought too.