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Anyway, I'm not sure that I want to be rolling dice across a plastic surface - I'd love to see (and hear!) a video of that!
Can you wait for tonight? I'll test it for you.
I can indeed wait - and thank you VERY much for doing this!
No problem, I was with them all weekend and I didn't think of doing this (also didn't have the time ). I'll take a video and upload it to youtube and link it here. Someone just send me a PM right about 5:30pm Eastern to remind me.
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I think we need some stretch goal free stuff. Some bases matching the table you pledged, or a small piece of terrain, would help push the bang for buck value up, as well as hopefully get some folks hooked on said products.
I vote for exchanging Ruined Temple and Rolling Field stretch goals. And making Ruined Temple half alien themed, half overgrown. Because generic fields are rather boring to me and maybe many other potential backers.
It is definitely interesting the drop off in pledges coincided precisely with the moment Justin took his Adepticon hiatus... natural mid-KS quiet period, or directly related to a brief marketing black-out? Very interesting indeed...
I also wonder how many pledgers out there are watching this to see if 'theme X' gets unlocked before pledging, but def interested in 'theme X'. I have a feeling that number may be quite siginificant, perhaps even enough to unlock another theme. If I were in line for the ruined temple theme for example, I think I would pledge immediately and withdraw if they didn't make it there... pledging now in hopes of unlocking makes it more likely to get that unlock right? I am wondering what the trick would be to directly appeal to and encourage hopeful hold-outs to get on board, KS's are very interesting indeed, like a sped-up marketing microcosm...
Well, I want the Ruined Temple board, however I really Really did not like the rough drafts that were shown. I want medieval cobblestone/tile Temple, transplanted to a jungle and ravaged by time, not ravaged by war or defiled. So, it really depends on how the concept turns out.
The price is no issue, I have a 4'x8' RoB, and a 4'x6' FW board. I just want something different from those. The Scrapyard is great, I personally hope to be able to buy the one big junk pile tile, but the overall board doesn't speak to me. Great for Ork players, as that is how GW has thematically styled them. They collect junk and then make stuff out of it. From armor to rides to Kroozers.
The roads are great also, but a board that I want either. When Justin gets to multi-level boards, i.e. rivers and canals, then the roads my be something to buy. But I don't think they'd be tall enough to mate up with some canal section tiles. The plains sections are needed to give people pretty much blank tiles. But I already have enough blank on the RoB, and I painted mine desert themed, so no need for the desert tiles from SW.
So I am holding out for the Ruined Temple, but don't want to be a douche and pledge just to pull it at the end if it doesn't reach what I really wanted. But even if we get to it, it Really depends on what the concept looks like.
Project Update #20: The Post-Adepticon Update OF DOOM!
Posted by Secret Weapon Like
Hello Kickstarter! I can't begin to tell you how happy I am to be updating again -- and I have a big one for you today. You see, all sorts of goodies were piling up while I was chained to the classroom desks at Adepticon... and now I'm going to open the floodgates!
First up I have the proof-of-concept renders for the four of the clean "Urban Streets" tiles. These aren't finalized, of course, but they are official tile files and will eventually become the finished product.
There is a wee bit of damage on each tile, but nothing that you won't see by walking outside today and looking at your streets. I'm going to be asking for som e minor changes -- like a bit of circular cracking around the manhole cover as I've never seen one without it. The second foundation tile will also be a proper building foundation instead of a park square tile -- so that between the two designs you have the most possible flexibility.
But we can't stop there -- now it's time for the initial damaged "Urban Streets" concepts. This is another proof-of-concept step so that we can get a handle on what we do and don't like. We're going to give the same treatment to the ruined tiles to and play them against each other.
You'll note in the concepts that none of the damage crosses a tile edge though -- this is intentional so that transitions to clean tiles work without having an abrupt change.
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
People have been asking me about storage and transportation since we launched... and now I can give you ANOTHER proof-of-concept image... this time a photo of the tile spacers!
These bad boys will fit into the compression bracket and allow you to stack the tiles vertically inside the box (or bag, I'm coming to that) with little risk of damaging the tiles. We've held them back as we need to get a handle on how many sizes are going to be required to meet the needs of the various tile thicknesses. Right now it looks like we can do 3 sizes but it won't be finalized until the finished tile files are sent to the factory.
So there you have it - a safe way to store the tiles in their box... or in a fancy, fancy bag from Battle Foam!
I had a chance to catch up with Romeo at Adepticon and go through the tile designs and requirements. He's looking at making the bag front-loading, so you can slide in the tile stacks, and will be playing with a full stack of 16 tiles for his concept work. He will also receive the fortification resin pieces (like the Scrap Yard walls) so that he can cut custom foam for each set.
BUT! This means we're going to have to offer the bag at the end of the Kickstarter -- and likely offer bags specific to certain themes. This is because a set like "Rolling Fields" can use a MUCH smaller bag than "Trench Works" would need. Each bag will be clearly identified for which the mes it's compatible with however, and the goal is to use the zip system on the bottom to attach terrain bags.
AMAZING!
Of course I can't stop there -- because I haven't given you a proper update in DAYS and I'm suffering from wicked withdraws. So let me finish by saying that the files for our clean "Urban Streets" walls have been sent to the printer and I'm hoping to have them in molds before the end of the month. I will use those masters to create the damaged set, and we're already at work finalizing concepts for the scatter terrain.
SO VERY, VERY AMAZING!
We're getting very close to unlocking the damaged/ruined "Urban Streets' tiles, and I'm hoping to have concept art for the "Rolling Hills" shortly... WHICH WILL INCLUDE CREEK TILES! Well, at least the concept art will -- and give us time to make sure they work before we send the tile files off to the factory.
Thank you all for your continued enthusiasm and support. I'm going to try and get ca ught up on the comments now and keep the ball rolling.
Hopefully there will be a 32 tile bag available for those who opted for it, otherwise a decent discount on having to get 2 bags.
I love the riser clips for storage either way as they will save me a ton of shelf space.
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
MisterJustin posted in the update comments that the tile spacers will come with the tile sets as as part of your pledge level they aren't an extra purchase - unless you want to buy more.
Kroothawk wrote: I vote for exchanging Ruined Temple and Rolling Field stretch goals. And making Ruined Temple half alien themed, half overgrown. Because generic fields are rather boring to me and maybe many other potential backers.
I'd prefer if they make the Ruined Temple one solid theme. Overgrowth with some arcane undertones. The Promethian level at the end of Mass Effect fit that bill, and really could have been a battlefield for sci-fi and fantasy settings
Automatically Appended Next Post: And on the bags, hopefully you get that all hashed out before the end of the KS and get them posted with KS as themes unlock. That would really increase your pledge amount.
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From earlier in the thread is seems the tiles that are up already are slightly lower then the ROB boards, but could be raised up with foamcore of whatwever if you want
some of the later tile sets (trenches) will vary in height so with others sloping to allow for this so may or may not fit depending
Kroothawk wrote: I vote for exchanging Ruined Temple and Rolling Field stretch goals. And making Ruined Temple half alien themed, half overgrown. Because generic fields are rather boring to me and maybe many other potential backers.
I'd prefer if they make the Ruined Temple one solid theme. Overgrowth with some arcane undertones. The Promethian level at the end of Mass Effect fit that bill, and really could have been a battlefield for sci-fi and fantasy settings
If only there are no Roman columns, as these stop Eldar, DE, Tau, Necron, modern SciFi, High and Dark Elf players from buying these. Stick to Alien temple, add overgrowth to some, and people will be inspired by that terrain.
Necros wrote:Would be great if they were the same height as the 2 flat ROB boards for folks that want to mix & match.
EB specials have been opening up today with what appears to be raised pledges (as the backer total isn't dropping).
It does pay to check back in on these things throughout the KS. All the ones I follow have moments of shifting pledge levels where you can grab those EBs here and there.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If by "Stick to Alien temple" you mean stick to "metallic" looking structures, I will have to pass on the board. That is far too limiting, and I feel less inspiring. But if you just want "pyrimid" type structures versus "pillars", that's what I'm thinking anyway. Stoney pyramid is by far the most emcompassing type terrain. As far as ruined temple goes anyway.
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Alpharius wrote: Nice - and WAY better sounding and acting than I thought they would be!
Thanks for doing this for us!
No problem, I know that we had a lot of people come into our booth at AdeptiCon and oogle the product and get close and inspect it. But I have a blank tile, and I likes what I gots, so if I can help people feel a little more confident about the product, then why not? I'm sure misterjustin doesn't mind a little extra help either
Edit: Please excuse the nasally-ness of my voice or any breathing you hear... I picked up the plague at AdeptiCon, so I'm trying to recover from that.
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I have yet to chip my ROB board, if you properly prime it with a few coats and seal it after, it should be pretty ok... nothing is impervious... frankly I would worry less about the dice and more about people sliding their minis instead of lifting them...
That being said, whoever designed those sexy Adepticon dice is a genius and a gentleman.
MajorTom11 wrote: I have yet to chip my ROB board, if you properly prime it with a few coats and seal it after, it should be pretty ok... nothing is impervious... frankly I would worry less about the dice and more about people sliding their minis instead of lifting them...
That being said, whoever designed those sexy Adepticon dice is a genius and a gentleman.
And next you're going to tell us he's a mod with a custom Storm Raven, and took second place with a Contemptor at last year's Crystal Brush, and may be from America's hat
Also those dice are quite nice
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Update out regarding a switch from 16 unique tiles down to sets of 8. THis would allow us to get to other stuff faster, only Trenches would remain a 16 tiles set.
Backers, have your say on KS before tomorrow morning (I would guess EST).
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
I replied that the Urban street sets should be combined at least to make way for other themes that people want. Rolling fields applies to a wider customer base, and the sooner that is unlocked the sooner those customers will pledge.
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
Aerethan wrote: I replied that the Urban street sets should be combined at least to make way for other themes that people want. Rolling fields applies to a wider customer base, and the sooner that is unlocked the sooner those customers will pledge.
They were split so that they would be achieved in stages. If combined it would be the same level for the other stuff (it was more so that you could select them independently)
Aerethan wrote: I replied that the Urban street sets should be combined at least to make way for other themes that people want. Rolling fields applies to a wider customer base, and the sooner that is unlocked the sooner those customers will pledge.
They were split so that they would be achieved in stages. If combined it would be the same level for the other stuff (it was more so that you could select them independently)
He says that if the sets were done in 8's instead of 16's that both Urban Street sets would be paid for already. I just want my rolling fields already.
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
Kroothawk wrote: Not sure I want dice rolling on painted terrain, chipping off paint, though.
Just to throw in, the FLGS I use to go to had two realm of battle boards that were heavily used. I never saw any paint chipping from dice rolling. The paint and flock held up pretty good.
What I did see was that alot of the paint on the corners/edges of the tiles wore down to the bare plastic. I think that might of been from being packed and unpacked into it's GW bags on a regular biases/at the end of every night and getting rough handled alot in the process.
I've currently got 2 4x2 mdf boards and I cover them with the GW grass mat. I have terrain for the boards, and I play on them with no issue... I'd just like something that gives me the option of something else. Currently my table always tends to look the same.
if the "generic" and more fantasy boards/non sci-fi boards don't get funded, I'll have an urban street set for something else down the road
For Fantasy, I'd suggest that the road to more variation would be to purchase more scenery. I imagine that it'll give you more options than "rolling fields" will, unless that theme strongly features a depressed creek/river/stream with a ford. I picked up a few GF9 ruined temple kits recently that work perfectly for both Fantasy and sci-fi and also can be swapped out for huts/houses/trees/jungles/hills/walls/fences/hedges and forests.
This is why I'd bump "ruined temple" up before "rolling fields" and leave plains and desert as the final pair. The Temple would (probably? possibly?) work well for both fantasy and sci-fi and give a different feel to a mat in a more significant way than the other two mentioned.
). I'll take a video and upload it to youtube and link it here. Someone just send me a 
