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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/04 21:43:24
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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First, as a disclaimer, this is not a who's got the bigger stick waggling contest. This topic is purely for looking at which powers we know of and which primarchs have them etc.
So yeah, we know that all Primarchs are partially warp beings and thus have powers of some form or other, however, some don't seem to use them, others seem to only use one or 2 powers etc.
For instance, can't remember Dorn, Guilliman, Jaghatai Khan or Perturabo ever using powers. I'm not sure if my head made this up but would the link Alpharius and Omegon have be considered a psyk power?
So yeah, examples and discuss!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/04 22:39:37
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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the Khan is apparently Storm from X-Men, he has some power over weather.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 09:36:39
Subject: Re:Primarch psyker powers
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Lets not discuss Magnus,... im sure his skill book would be bigger than the bible...
I believe Sanguinius had some sort of foresight/vision power kinda thing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 10:34:27
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Aye Sanguinius had some awesome divination powers.
Curze's were the most accurate divination powers but with zero control and lots of horribleness involved.
Corax has his invisibilty trick.
Vulcan.. well, what do we even know about him?
Ferrus Manus.. don't think he's ever mentioned tapping into the warp in any way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 16:07:16
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Magnus the Red: Master of all psychic disciplines. Pyromancy sufficient to destroy Titans, telekinesis of such that he could control thousands or more shards of glass from a huge pyramid to impale pyramids, telepathic power of such raw might that he could visit nightmares to a world as a side-effect, etc. Perhaps his most subtle but arguably one of the greatest effects is that he could mentally connect and heighten his entire Legion in combat, serving as a catalyst for all of their powers, delivering the findings of the telepaths and divinators to the pyrokintes and telekines, etc.
Lorgar: Basically Magnus-lite.
Konrad Curze: Had divination he could not control. In The Dark King, he unleashes a telekinetic blast that destroys the roof of his prison.
Sanguinius: His prophetic dreams, as know. From what I hear he could also psychically control a starship in its descent or something from Fear to Tread.
The Khan: Apparently controls weather.
Leman Russ: Unleashes a psychic howl of such potency that it can kill telepaths from the Thousand Sons and disrupt other psychic powers, and can allegedly also control wolves, per Lorgar's words in The First Heretic.
Lion El'Jonson: Is not an active psyker and even dislikes psychic powers, but fighting against Kairos the Fateweaver in the short story The Lion, he seems to tap into his psychic potential, channeling his mental rage through his arms and then his sword to impale the Greater Daemon.
Fulgrim: After aligning to Tzeentch, gains some measure of impressive psychic ability. Can cause the crew of a Titan to suddenly expand like that chick from Slither, and with enough force to destroy the Titan itself. Also telepathically violated Perturabo.
Corax: Ironic despite his dislike towards psykers, but he can telepathically force others not to see him.
Horus: Gains tremendous psychic power on par with the Emperor after glutting on the power of the Dark Gods, but seems to have no psychic talent himself.
Everyone else as far as I have seen has never demonstrated any active use of psychic powers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 16:27:05
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm also wondering if Curze has some kind of fear-inducing psychic ability...?
It's just a theory, but two of his brothers (Dorn and Corax) seem to be haunted and deeply-troubled by their encounters with him, and these are guys that are supposed to know no fear and are probably some of the few to meet Curze and survive.
Edit: Although, this could also be cause Dorn got the gak kicked out of him, and as Curze and Corax are so [dis]similar.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 16:34:36
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Only Magnus, Lorgar, Curze, Khan, Sanguinius, and Russ seem to have any real psychic abilities. The Emperor wanted to keep them as ignorant of the warp as possible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 16:49:35
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Just Dave wrote:I'm also wondering if Curze has some kind of fear-inducing psychic ability...?
It's just a theory, but two of his brothers (Dorn and Corax) seem to be haunted and deeply-troubled by their encounters with him, and these are guys that are supposed to know no fear and are probably some of the few to meet Curze and survive.
Edit: Although, this could also be cause Dorn got the gak kicked out of him, and as Curze and Corax are so [dis]similar.
Could be, but it has not been made explicitl IIRC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 17:36:37
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Regular Dakkanaut
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You're forgetting Curze's most impressive power ... popping all light bulbs in his vicinity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 17:40:11
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Fixture of Dakka
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Void__Dragon wrote: Just Dave wrote:I'm also wondering if Curze has some kind of fear-inducing psychic ability...?
It's just a theory, but two of his brothers (Dorn and Corax) seem to be haunted and deeply-troubled by their encounters with him, and these are guys that are supposed to know no fear and are probably some of the few to meet Curze and survive.
Edit: Although, this could also be cause Dorn got the gak kicked out of him, and as Curze and Corax are so [dis]similar.
Could be, but it has not been made explicitl IIRC.
Yeah, as I said, it's just a theory. Would be pretty cool though.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/05 18:53:18
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Hmm, now I'm wondering if any of the rules from HH Vol 1 Betrayal indicate psychic powers on the part of those Primarchs. Will check.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 04:12:19
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Mellow wrote:You're forgetting Curze's most impressive power ... popping all light bulbs in his vicinity.
That was part of his destruction of the ceiling. Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:Hmm, now I'm wondering if any of the rules from HH Vol 1 Betrayal indicate psychic powers on the part of those Primarchs. Will check.
I could see maybe arguing Shadow of the Reaper as psychic in nature, but I doubt it. I think it is just Mortarion's natural aptitude for stealth, personally. Recall A Thousand Sons, where he expertly hides in the shadow of a Warlord Titan, before revealing himself. His stealth was of such a level that of the Thousand Sons present, only Magnus was alerted. Though, that could have been because of the Sisters of Silence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 14:17:16
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Well, it is said that all of the Primarchs bore the psychic potential within them to some degree, so I'm sure that in the HH novels to come(and it's certain that there will be an abundance of them yet), we are sure to get to know some of the other Primarch's powers.
My take on the subject is not whether or not all of the Primarchs have psyker abilities but whether if it really goes with the character of the said Primarch. As for instance, Roboute was described as plain as Primarch gets to be, so no psyker mambo-jambo really goes in accordance with that. So, that does not mean that he doesn't have them, simply he chooses not to explore them or hasn't had need to use them because of his dominant personality traits. Unlike Magnus, Russ and vice versa.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 15:16:06
Subject: Re:Primarch psyker powers
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Wondering Why the Emperor Left
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None of the Primarchs in Betrayal have use of Psychic powers, those being Horus, Fulgrim, Angron and Mortarion.
Horus gives great rules to his army as well as being brilliant in combat, Fulgrim and Angron are great in combat but are fallible. Mortarion has got one tasty rule where instead of shooting or running, he takes a LD and if passes, moves upto 10" and can then still assault.
A bit off topic but just thought I'd let you know what the rules are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 17:12:32
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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In the Flight of the Eisenstein book I seem to remember that when Garro & pals detonated the warp core of their ship it was sensed by Dorn, so he may have some basic latent psychic ability.
Guilliman gets kerb-stomped to the point of gasping on his knees and about to have his throat cut by what is essentially a chaos marine librarian in Know No Fear. I guess that would suggest he has little psychic defence and therefore probably no powers at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 17:49:39
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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That Chaos Marine Librarian was Kor Phaeron, the mightiest Word Bearer after Lorgar himself.
It wasn't just some random psyker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 18:11:49
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Fixture of Dakka
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Void__Dragon wrote:That Chaos Marine Librarian was Kor Phaeron, the mightiest Word Bearer after Lorgar himself.
It wasn't just some random psyker.
Well, he wasn't known as a psyker at all: suggesting he was seriously juiced up on Chaos (ala Luther). Although, I wouldn't say he was the mightiest Word Bearer (in individual power, rather than standing)...
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 18:24:47
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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It is confirmed by some random ass Word Bearer in the book that Kor Phaeron and Erebus were the most powerful adepts (Psykers) in their legion before Lorgar nutted up.
‘Are you galled only by the First Captain’s impurity? Or is it his complete lack of Legion discipline, and that his victories eclipse yours and mine put together?’
- Argel Tal
Not explicitly naming him as the mightiest Word Bearer. but it says a lot that his victories outnumber a Chaplain and Captain's put together. Also, he felled Guilliman. That doesn't make Guilliman weak. It makes Kor Phaeron strong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 18:30:52
Subject: Re:Primarch psyker powers
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Leman Russ aside from the aforementioned Howl, also seems to have the innate ability to cast the Eye of Aversion from his own eyes.
From pg 516 in "A Thousand Sons"
Phosis T'kar looked over as Auramagma faced the wolf king with fire wreathing his limbs in searing light. His fellow captain loosed a flood of aether at the primarch. Phosis T'kar roared in triumph as the flames engulfed Leman Russ, and Auramagma's fire met the chill armour of Leman Russ in an explosion of light like the birth of a star. Russ barely "blinked", but the effect on Auramagma was as incredible as it was horrific.
The enormous power of Auramagma turned from the Wolf King's Armor as light is reflected from a mirror, and his screams were hideous to behold as the aether's spite burned its creator. Auramagma in such agony that all who heard his screams were moved to pity as the aether devoured his very essence. A blazing pyre of agony, Auramagma fled through the crush of bodies, and the Space Wolves parted before him, none willing to go near so damned a soul.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 19:05:29
Subject: Primarch psyker powers
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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I dunno, IMO that implies something about his armour, rather than Leman Russ's psychic power.
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