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So I'm building a Nurgle themed army that includes a Daemon Prince outfitted as follows.

-Armor
-Wings
-Black Mace
-Nurgle

I like that the DP gets a 5+ cover save and 3+ jink save and I'm not that worried about S&P, but I wonder if another type of DP might be a better investment.

I like mine with wings, Khorne, armor, and gift of mutation.

Is GoM normally worth the points on a DP?

Also, given that I know I'll be using the Black Mace, I'm thinking Khorne might not be great as the Furious Charge bonus is almost completely wasted.

Tzeentch, Wings, 3+, gift (optional Lvl3, spellfamiliar).

tbh nurgle sucks, you want him in hth and nurgle can't sweep due to s&p

I guess the best option is to go with Tzneentch then. Rerolling 1's on saves seems pretty good and it isn't saddled with a downside. The fluff sucks, but I'm sure I can make up a reason for a daemon of Nurgle to get re-rolls.

Also, I'm still wondering if Gift is worth the 10 points on a DP. Does anybody have any arguements for or against dropping two meltabombs from my list and giving my DP GoM?

Tzeentch (for save) or Slaanesh (for fleet - can always be usefull when you miss a critical charge).

lvl 3 + spell familiar can be fun, but having to roll at least one "god" spell sucks and removes you a chance to have one of the useful biomancy spells (for a DP, i.e. Iron arm/endurance).

An alternative could be a lvl 3 sorcerer support, without mark, to have 3 biomancy powers and hopefully cast endurance on the DP
Besides, the black mace+ enfeeble can be fun...

I don't think I have the points to play with to get my DP any good powers. Though enfeeble + mace could be fun...

I guess I should post my list idea so people get a better idea of what I'm going for.

Headquarters
Typhus 230
Daemon Prince of Nurgle - 265 - Armor, Wings, Mace

Troops
Plague Marines x7 - 205 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2
Plague Marines x7 - 225 - Vets, Flamer x2, Melta Bombs, Rhino
Plague Marines x7 - 205 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2
Plague Marines x7 - 195 - Vets, Melta x2, Melta Bombs, Rhino
Cultists x10 - 50

Elites
Terminators x5 - 250 - Reaper, Powerfist, MoN

Heavy
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon

My main worries are having AA and having enough offensive output. I currently don't have the models for a Helldrake detachment at this stage.

First thing to get for AA is the ADL and quad gun.

If you can't afford the points to give him some psychic powers then nurgle really only hurts you. Yes it gives you a better save when getting to your melee combat, but once in melee (where he really shines) it only hurts you. No sweeping advances sucks since you crush units. I play nurgle lists all the time with a Tzeentch DP and sometimes some Tzeentch termies, just build the fluff of Typhus picking up some extra friends to help him out.

Also if you are going to pay for Typhus, then don't take cultists take Plague Zombies. Much better at holding a backfield objective or protecting an IC.

As mentioned before Tzeentch is the best DP, the I learnt the hardway that not being able to sweep against non MEQ armies (where the black mace shines) sucks. I'd say that a DP should also be a lvl 3 sorc, the buffs you get from biomancy makes them a lot more deadlier and always hoping to get iron arm to make him eternal warrior which is his main weakness.

On your list I think you have way too many plague marines, sure they are great troops and all but 2 - 3 squads should be enough to hold objectives and put some midfield pressure. The DP and your range should take care of the rest.

Staying nurgle but far more competitive (nurgle prince is bad, but it is fluffy...)

Prince - Nurgle, wings, armor, gift, mastery level 3, black mace
Lord - Nurgle, lightning claw
5 plague marines - 2 x plasma, rhino w. havoc
5 plague marines - 2 x plasma, rhino w. havoc
5 plague marines - 2 x plasma, rhino w. havoc
5 plague marines - 2 x flamer, rhino
Heldrake w/ bale flamer
Heldrake w/ bale flamer
Forgefiend
Forgefiend

@Minigun762: Is the ADL with Quad gun really that good against flyers, or is it more of a band-aid? With now new models I can already get Havoks with Flak missiles if I get really worried about flyers.

I think I'm sold on getting a Tzeentch DP for the list. It aint fluffy rules wise, but I can make it work. I also think I canfind the points to make him a Psyker.

My new idea for a list is this.

Headquarters
Typhus 230
Daemon Prince of Nurgle - 265 - Armor, Wings, Mace, Mastery lv3, Gift

Troops
Plague Marines x5 - 155 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2, Combi-Plasma
Plague Marines x5 - 155 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2, Combi-Plasma, Rhino
Plague Marines x5 - 155 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2, Combi-Plasma, Rhino
Plague Marines x5 - 175 - Vets, Flamer x2, Combi-Flamer, Rhino
Plague Zombies x10 - 50

Elites
Terminators x5 - 250 - Reaper, Powerfist, MoN

Heavy
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon

I'd add the Helldrakes, but I lack the models and the cash to add them and I'd like a list to use before I'll be able to upgrade my list with them.

The way you have your daemon prince kitted out, he costs way more than 265 pts

The Prince you have comes in at 335 points.

I forgot to change the points when I edited the list. You'll note that the points still add to 2k.

EDIT: Never mind, my points went sideways when I started adding bits, here's the list at proper price.

Headquarters
Typhus 230
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch - 350 - Armor, Wings, Mace, Mastery lv3, Gift

Troops
Plague Marines x5 - 165 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2, Combi-Plasma
Plague Marines x5 - 200 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2, Combi-Plasma, Rhino, Havok Launcher
Plague Marines x5 - 200 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2, Combi-Plasma, Rhino, Havok Launcher
Plague Marines x5 - 180 - Vets, Flamer x2, Combi-Flamer, Rhino
Plague Zombies x10 - 50

Elites
Terminators x5 - 250 - Reaper, Powerfist, MoN

Heavy
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon

Cut out the mastery levels. Not worth it on the DP. Psykers are way weaker than they were in 5th imho. DP is deadly enough with the mace and wings/power armor. Also, he's difficult to ground and he's a bullet magnet. He soaks up shots from your other units and when he gets into close combat he eats everything alive.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
I don't think I have the points to play with to get my DP any good powers. Though enfeeble + mace could be fun...

I guess I should post my list idea so people get a better idea of what I'm going for.

Headquarters
Typhus 230
Daemon Prince of Nurgle - 265 - Armor, Wings, Mace

Troops
Plague Marines x7 - 205 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2
Plague Marines x7 - 225 - Vets, Flamer x2, Melta Bombs, Rhino
Plague Marines x7 - 205 - Vets, Plasma Gun x2
Plague Marines x7 - 195 - Vets, Melta x2, Melta Bombs, Rhino
Cultists x10 - 50

Elites
Terminators x5 - 250 - Reaper, Powerfist, MoN

Heavy
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon
Forgefiend - 175 - Hades Autocannon

My main worries are having AA and having enough offensive output. I currently don't have the models for a Helldrake detachment at this stage.

I think the Hades ACs might do the trick for AA. I've taken down flyers with them, so while it may not be awesome, it's still pretty good.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Cut out the mastery levels. Not worth it on the DP. Psykers are way weaker than they were in 5th imho. DP is deadly enough with the mace and wings/power armor. Also, he's difficult to ground and he's a bullet magnet. He soaks up shots from your other units and when he gets into close combat he eats everything alive.

I'm not sure that I can do more for the points and I think something like Breath of Change from Tzeentch and Iron arm makes a DP a much larger threat, but if you have an idea of where those points might go I'm open to options.