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Looking on the Privateer press forums, Cyriss will not have regular releases like the other warmachine factions.

What they get at the start.. is what they will have for awhile..

Post from PPS_Simon copied here.

Right now we don't plan for the Convergence of Cyriss to be added to the regular rotation of updated armies in our WARMACHINE anthology books (Cygnar, Khador, the Protectorate of Menoth, Cryx, and the Retribution of Scyrah), but we will likely add new models to their ranks from time to time.

Link to thread.
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?156712-Convergence-of-Cyriss-to-be-a-one-time-only-release

This is HIGHLY disappointing.

This sauce is weak!

I hope they are not thinking of turning it into the 40k model

Maybe its because they have SOOO many releases planned that the regular rotation would be too slow?

Also we need a new Hordes faction

well, I'm not disappointed, not too much at least. first of all, I prefer less quality stuff than more stuff with lots of filler. if they've decided to make it a 'lesser' faction, so be it. I'm very intrigued by Convergence and their diversity and already decided to get them once released. unfortunately my resources (both in time and money) are limited, knowing they will be less demanding it's a quite good new to my ears =)

 Talamare wrote:
This sauce is weak!

I hope they are not thinking of turning it into the 40k model

Maybe its because they have SOOO many releases planned that the regular rotation would be too slow?

Also we need a new Hordes faction

New hordes faction is in the works. No one knows anything more on it then that.

 Spyder68 wrote:

New hordes faction is in the works. No one knows anything more on it then that.

Yea, but we have assumed that much for too long

Just to add some clarification, later in the thread the same Privateer Press Employee mentioned that they will be providing down the line support for Cyriss, however they will not be in warmachine book release.

So, wild speculation time. To me, this suggests that Cyriss and the next main expansion after Gargantuans/Colossals are/were being developed in parallel. As a result, the next expansion team are not including anything for Cyriss, as they would not have the knowledge of Cyriss's final form during the early stages of their development, and would not have enough time to refine their Cyriss contributions (or alternatively, anything they developed for Cyriss was included in the Cyriss release) during the later stages. As a result, the next main release won't include Cyriss, but the release after that will. Take this insane speculation with a mountain of salt, but it does seem somewhat plausible, at least to me.

I can't imagine PP bitching out on a new line, they are much more business and customer savvyyyyy than their rival.

RegalPhantom wrote:
Just to add some clarification, later in the thread the same Privateer Press Employee mentioned that they will be providing down the line support for Cyriss, however they will not be in warmachine book release.

So, wild speculation time. To me, this suggests that Cyriss and the next main expansion after Gargantuans/Colossals are/were being developed in parallel. As a result, the next expansion team are not including anything for Cyriss, as they would not have the knowledge of Cyriss's final form during the early stages of their development, and would not have enough time to refine their Cyriss contributions (or alternatively, anything they developed for Cyriss was included in the Cyriss release) during the later stages. As a result, the next main release won't include Cyriss, but the release after that will. Take this insane speculation with a mountain of salt, but it does seem somewhat plausible, at least to me.

How long did it take for Ret to get it's book after it's launch? And how long did it take for it's next releases?

Ret got releases in each MK2 expansion Book.


Cyriss, if it has releases will be in the same upcomming books. to me that says nothing will be there for sure, or in the numbers of the others.

RegalPhantom wrote:
Just to add some clarification, later in the thread the same Privateer Press Employee mentioned that they will be providing down the line support for Cyriss, however they will not be in warmachine book release.

So, wild speculation time. To me, this suggests that Cyriss and the next main expansion after Gargantuans/Colossals are/were being developed in parallel. As a result, the next expansion team are not including anything for Cyriss, as they would not have the knowledge of Cyriss's final form during the early stages of their development, and would not have enough time to refine their Cyriss contributions (or alternatively, anything they developed for Cyriss was included in the Cyriss release) during the later stages. As a result, the next main release won't include Cyriss, but the release after that will. Take this insane speculation with a mountain of salt, but it does seem somewhat plausible, at least to me.

This was my thought process as well. "Well, yeah, they're not going to release a bunch of new stuff for the faction six months after it gets all of its shinies. Especially not with a launch that seems this broadly supported." I wouldn't be surprised of Cyriss launches resembled Mercenary launches--one or two additional items in the back of the book, rather than being part of the centerpiece. A bit unfortunate, but probably more viable for PP to support the number of factions in question.

(Which reminds me of another question I have: how are they going to handle mercenaries working for CoC? Does the Convergence just not get any, or will there be a page listing its supported mercs as of the "Forces Of" release?)

I take this as them just saying that it may be a while before anything new gets released. meaning it may be upwards of a year or so.

Depending on how many things are released at the start it should be fine. 3-4 warcasters, 6-7 different jacks, and a couple different infantry units is plenty to play around with. Get familiar with how they play.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I take this as them just saying that it may be a while before anything new gets released. meaning it may be upwards of a year or so.

Depending on how many things are released at the start it should be fine. 3-4 warcasters, 6-7 different jacks, and a couple different infantry units is plenty to play around with. Get familiar with how they play.

There will be 5 warcasters and 9 warjacks as part of the initial release. They also mentioned 4 servitor type solos and hinted at other solos. And of course there's the colossal and battle engine. The only infantry teased so far have been a medium based shield wall unit, a small based shield wall unit, and the clockwork angels.

Here's the consolidated spoiler thread on PP's forums. http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?151446-Consolidated-Convergence-of-Cyriss-knowledge-thread

No Mercs allowed the Cyriss so far. They said they dont like Fleshy things.


And anymore.. Mercs get as many new things as the so called "Normal" Factions.

Mercs are at the point where they are practically a full faction, albiet mostly limited by what they can take depending on the Contract.

Perhaps it's because of the big splash release they're just going to let the dust settle a bit before they go hog wild with them? I mean, from a balance perspective it makes sense to see how they sit in terms of balance before tilting it one way or the other.

 Surtur wrote:
Perhaps it's because of the big splash release they're just going to let the dust settle a bit before they go hog wild with them? I mean, from a balance perspective it makes sense to see how they sit in terms of balance before tilting it one way or the other.

Pretty much this. If they released the Cyriss faction book and then released new models in the anthology book in the same year, they would get a lot of complaints about having to buy two books so close together for the initial release.

At any rate, the Anthology books are going to start getting pretty bloated with 7 factions to keep up, which makes me wonder whether they'd try to change the way they sub-divide their books. Perhaps they'll start putting out 3 anthology books a year, one with the 5 main Warmachine factions, one with the 4 main Hordes faction, and one with minions/mercs/Cyriss and whatever the new hordes faction is. Who knows, but we'll just have to wait and see.

If it is just going to be a more limited faction on an ongoing basis, well at least their up-front about it, but I doubt that's all there is to it.

 Maddermax wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
Perhaps it's because of the big splash release they're just going to let the dust settle a bit before they go hog wild with them? I mean, from a balance perspective it makes sense to see how they sit in terms of balance before tilting it one way or the other.

Pretty much this. If they released the Cyriss faction book and then released new models in the anthology book in the same year, they would get a lot of complaints about having to buy two books so close together for the initial release.

At any rate, the Anthology books are going to start getting pretty bloated with 7 factions to keep up, which makes me wonder whether they'd try to change the way they sub-divide their books. Perhaps they'll start putting out 3 anthology books a year, one with the 5 main Warmachine factions, one with the 4 main Hordes faction, and one with minions/mercs/Cyriss and whatever the new hordes faction is. Who knows, but we'll just have to wait and see.

If it is just going to be a more limited faction on an ongoing basis, well at least their up-front about it, but I doubt that's all there is to it.

PP as already said that Cyriss WON'T be added to the anthology books and that they will only be getting sporadic releases if any.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Maddermax wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
Perhaps it's because of the big splash release they're just going to let the dust settle a bit before they go hog wild with them? I mean, from a balance perspective it makes sense to see how they sit in terms of balance before tilting it one way or the other.

Pretty much this. If they released the Cyriss faction book and then released new models in the anthology book in the same year, they would get a lot of complaints about having to buy two books so close together for the initial release.

At any rate, the Anthology books are going to start getting pretty bloated with 7 factions to keep up, which makes me wonder whether they'd try to change the way they sub-divide their books. Perhaps they'll start putting out 3 anthology books a year, one with the 5 main Warmachine factions, one with the 4 main Hordes faction, and one with minions/mercs/Cyriss and whatever the new hordes faction is. Who knows, but we'll just have to wait and see.

If it is just going to be a more limited faction on an ongoing basis, well at least their up-front about it, but I doubt that's all there is to it.

PP as already said that Cyriss WON'T be added to the anthology books and that they will only be getting sporadic releases if any.

We understand what they said. What we're trying to divine, is why and what they intend to do. I doubt they intend to make a faction unsupported. It could be they only want Cyriss to operate in a limited selection function as in it's fluff it's been building up in secret in a few guy's basements basically.

From PPS_Simon

As I said in my initial post, we will likely be adding additional models to the Convergence's ranks, just not on the scale of our core factions.


and


Originally Posted by RiTides

Simon- How will rules get released for new models if they're not part of the anthology books?

PPS_Simon
They would likely be included in the anthology books when we do release new models, they just won't be an assumed inclusion like our main factions.

For the 10th anniversary of WM we are intoducing a new 6th main faction that isn't really a Main faction at all since after it's initial launch it will get less support than Minions...

While I guess it frees them up from being "obligated" to include CoC releases in every anthology book, for me it is directly contrary to one of the very things about the way they release their product which was a large factor that drew me to the game that being that every faction gets at least a couple of new releases a year....I was fully prepared to throw down a bunch of cash on CoC stuff when it was released this has definatly made me more hesitant.

Bit off topic but does anyone know why battlecollege lists a 4th Light Vector?

KarlPedder wrote:

Bit off topic but does anyone know why battlecollege lists a 4th Light Vector?

Rule of thumb: don't trust anything that you see in Battlecollege, that place has almost more stuff wrong than it has right...

KarlPedder wrote:
For the 10th anniversary of WM we are intoducing a new 6th main faction that isn't really a Main faction at all since after it's initial launch it will get less support than Minions...

While I guess it frees them up from being "obligated" to include CoC releases in every anthology book, for me it is directly contrary to one of the very things about the way they release their product which was a large factor that drew me to the game that being that every faction gets at least a couple of new releases a year....I was fully prepared to throw down a bunch of cash on CoC stuff when it was released this has definatly made me more hesitant.

Nobody here knows just how much support they will get after release, Maybe it's just a safety net for bad sales, maybe they won't get anything, maybe they'll get just as much as other factions.

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

KarlPedder wrote:
For the 10th anniversary of WM we are intoducing a new 6th main faction that isn't really a Main faction at all since after it's initial launch it will get less support than Minions...

While I guess it frees them up from being "obligated" to include CoC releases in every anthology book, for me it is directly contrary to one of the very things about the way they release their product which was a large factor that drew me to the game that being that every faction gets at least a couple of new releases a year....I was fully prepared to throw down a bunch of cash on CoC stuff when it was released this has definatly made me more hesitant.

Nobody here knows just how much support they will get after release, Maybe it's just a safety net for bad sales, maybe they won't get anything, maybe they'll get just as much as other factions.

Seeing as how currently their plan is not to put updates in anthology books , I'm guessing they're going to be getting somewhere right around 0 updates unless PP decides to start pushing releases through NQ or they do a Mk-III type release.

Chongara wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

KarlPedder wrote:
For the 10th anniversary of WM we are intoducing a new 6th main faction that isn't really a Main faction at all since after it's initial launch it will get less support than Minions...

While I guess it frees them up from being "obligated" to include CoC releases in every anthology book, for me it is directly contrary to one of the very things about the way they release their product which was a large factor that drew me to the game that being that every faction gets at least a couple of new releases a year....I was fully prepared to throw down a bunch of cash on CoC stuff when it was released this has definatly made me more hesitant.

Nobody here knows just how much support they will get after release, Maybe it's just a safety net for bad sales, maybe they won't get anything, maybe they'll get just as much as other factions.

Seeing as how currently their plan is not to put updates in anthology books , I'm guessing they're going to be getting somewhere right around 0 updates unless PP decides to start pushing releases through NQ or they do a Mk-III type release.

That's not the plan at all. PP has come out and said that any updates to the CoC will come in the anthology books, but that one shouldn't expect that every anthology book will feature the CoC.

i think it would be interesting for cyris to be a noticable background element even in the anthology books where they don't get anything new, at least drop hints of things to come and whatnot

Chongara wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

KarlPedder wrote:
For the 10th anniversary of WM we are intoducing a new 6th main faction that isn't really a Main faction at all since after it's initial launch it will get less support than Minions...

While I guess it frees them up from being "obligated" to include CoC releases in every anthology book, for me it is directly contrary to one of the very things about the way they release their product which was a large factor that drew me to the game that being that every faction gets at least a couple of new releases a year....I was fully prepared to throw down a bunch of cash on CoC stuff when it was released this has definatly made me more hesitant.

Nobody here knows just how much support they will get after release, Maybe it's just a safety net for bad sales, maybe they won't get anything, maybe they'll get just as much as other factions.

Seeing as how currently their plan is not to put updates in anthology books , I'm guessing they're going to be getting somewhere right around 0 updates unless PP decides to start pushing releases through NQ or they do a Mk-III type release.

The amount of misinformation flying through the internet about CoC is mind numbing.

PPS_Simon wrote:They would likely be included in the anthology books when we do release new models, they just won't be an assumed inclusion like our main factions.

That is from the first page of the related thread on the PP forums (http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?156712-Convergence-of-Cyriss-to-be-a-one-time-only-release)

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

PPS_Simon wrote:They would likely be included in the anthology books when we do release new models, they just won't be an assumed inclusion like our main factions.

That is from the first page of the related thread on the PP forums (http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?156712-Convergence-of-Cyriss-to-be-a-one-time-only-release)

I'm aware of that quote. That's some very wishy-washy sort of language he's using and it sounds to me like PR Speak for "Sorry not going to happen kids". When dealing with mouthpieces you a really need to do a certain amount of interpretation, since it's their job to frame answers so as to minimize possible upset. Remember, PPS_Simon is the same guy who vehemently denies that the Satyxis art direction is intended on any level as fanservice.

He could have said "We are planning to do more models for CoC, but they won't be a regular feature in Anthology Books. However when there are releases the most likely place is an anthology book" or similar. They key in a sentence like that would be that it makes clear they are going to releases. The current statements are basically roundabout ways of saying nothing.

That kind of concrete but still nonspecific statement is very different than "They'll probably be in an anthology if we do make them" and "We didn't use every idea we had, but filed some away for possible future use". The sort of things they've been saying in the thread.


Not that I mind really. Honestly I think a 1-shot release like this is a really good idea and I'd like to see others for more minor players in the setting. This & The pirates releases both feel really cool even if they are limited in scope. I just think it's probably not the best idea to be encouraging a general attitude that gets people's hopes ups twoards having an expanding faction they can main.

Given the current community reaction, If they had anything in the pipe for the foreseeable future they'd be telling us they have something in the pipe. They probably wouldn't reveal what it is but there would be a firm "Yes" that they know they've got some cool stuff coming later. PP is pretty good at being savvy with what customers want and if they could honestly throw them a real "There is going to be more" bone, they would.

The fact they aren't throwing such a bone tells me that they don't have anything in the pipe for the foreseeable future. Where the foreseeable future is probably something like 3-5 years on a product line like this.

Chongara wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

PPS_Simon wrote:They would likely be included in the anthology books when we do release new models, they just won't be an assumed inclusion like our main factions.

That is from the first page of the related thread on the PP forums (http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?156712-Convergence-of-Cyriss-to-be-a-one-time-only-release)

I'm aware of that quote. That's some very wishy-washy sort of language he's using and it sounds to me like PR Speak for "Sorry not going to happen kids". When dealing with mouthpieces you a really need to do a certain amount of interpretation, since it's their job to frame answers so as to minimize possible upset. Remember, PPS_Simon is the same guy who vehemently denies that the Satyxis art direction is intended on any level as fanservice.

He could have said "We are planning to do more models for CoC, but they won't be a regular feature in Anthology Books. However when there are releases the most likely place is an anthology book" or similar. They key in a sentence like that would be that it makes clear they are going to releases. The current statements are basically roundabout ways of saying nothing.

That kind of concrete but still nonspecific statement is very different than "They'll probably be in an anthology if we do make them" and "We didn't use every idea we had, but filed some away for possible future use". The sort of things they've been saying in the thread.


Not that I mind really. Honestly I think a 1-shot release like this is a really good idea and I'd like to see others for more minor players in the setting. This & The pirates releases both feel really cool even if they are limited in scope. I just think it's probably not the best idea to be encouraging a general attitude that gets people's hopes ups twoards having an expanding faction they can main.

Given the current community reaction, If they had anything in the pipe for the foreseeable future they'd be telling us they have something in the pipe. They probably wouldn't reveal what it is but there would be a firm "Yes" that they know they've got some cool stuff coming later. PP is pretty good at being savvy with what customers want and if they could honestly throw them a real "There is going to be more" bone, they would.

The fact they aren't throwing such a bone tells me that they don't have anything in the pipe for the foreseeable future. Where the foreseeable future is probably something like 3-5 years on a product line like this.

PR speak can be a bit hard to decipher, but Will Schick goes on to say in this post (http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?156712-Convergence-of-Cyriss-to-be-a-one-time-only-release&p=1996602&viewfull=1#post1996602)

PPS_Will wrote:I'm not quite sure I understand the question. We've determined everything that will be appearing in Forces of WARMACHINE: Convergence of Cyriss. However, that book doesn't represent the sum of all ideas ever for Convergence. There is certainly plenty of fertile ground yet to tread with them and certainly concepts that were discussed during our initial development discussions that were cut from the force book and wound up being filed away for possible use in the future. Which flows into...

Which leads me to believe they do have plans and places to go.

As I said before, I find it very hard for PP with their business model to actively not try and expand their product line for all armies.

They're probably just experimenting with second tier armies as (including Hordes) there is around 10 that get updates like everyone else.

So in this book, they'll get a very rounded fleshed out force, then in maybe the second anthology out after their release they'll get some stuff, and then the fourth and so on.

Some people are so jaded.