Some confusion with Force Weapons and Multiwound Models

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**Bloodhorror**

If a model with a Force weapon does 2 wounds to my Tyranid Warriors, both with the full 3 wounds each, and he passes his Force Weapon Test how many models are removed as casualties?

I say 1 as both wounds are allocated to 1 warrior, he takes his saves if he can take them and then once these wounds are classed as unsaved after allocation the test is rolled for. He passes. Both of those Unsaved wounds cause instant death to that one model they are allocated to.

My friends say that the 2 wounds are cause, rolled for the test and then i allocate an instant death wound to each guy.

Who is right? And if we both suck and got it wrong, what is the correct way to do it?

**CrashCanuck**

An activated force weapon causes instant death, wounds are allocated one at a time until the first model is dead, then are allocated to the next model.

In your example you have I guess a SM Librarian that has caused 2 wounds and activated their force weapon. The first wound is allocated to the closest Tyranid Warrior, ID kills it. Next wound is allocated to the next closest Warrior, ID rule kills that one.

**Bloodhorror**

You allocate and then take saves though.

Where does it say you have to do them one at a time?

**Happyjew**

Bloodhorror wrote:
You allocate and then take saves though.

Where does it say you have to do them one at a time?

The only way you are getting saves with Tyranid Warriors is if they somehow gained an invulnerable save. All Force Weapons go through their armour.

**Bloodhorror**

2 Tyranid primes in one unit then. Independent character unit of 2.

Hitting me with a force stave.

2 wounds caused. Fail both saves. Do both die?

**Happyjew**

Bloodhorror wrote:
2 Tyranid primes in one unit then. Independent character unit of 2.

Hitting me with a force stave.

2 wounds caused. Fail both saves. Do both die?

Mixed Saves. Allocate first wound, completely resolve. If it goes unsaved, the Psyker activates the weapon and it causes ID. Then the next is allocated and if unsaved will caused ID.

**Bloodhorror**

Why are they mixed saves? They are both the exact same saves and i arm them both the exact same. 2 identical models.

And lets say instead then, a squad of Paladins armed the same. I cause 3 Force sword wounds and he fails all 3 armor saves. Again, i pass my test to cause ID. 6 guys taken off?

**Fragile**

Because you have a character in there.

3 Force wounds + 3 failed saves +successful activation = 3 dead paladins

**Bloodhorror**

That seems insane....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
wait, so is it the same with Boneswords?

I allocate a wound to a guy, he takes the LD Test. and then i repeat and wipe out that Squad?

**Massaen**

It would appear that you do indeed activate after allocating wounds and rolling save as the force rule specifies unsaved.

So a librarian getting 2 wounds on a unit of tyranid warriors would kill 1 warrior as by the time you activate the weapon, there is only 1 warrior who was been wounded and taken 2 wounds

**Snapshot**

Even if all models in the target unit are same-save and there are no characters, you still allocate an unsaved Wound to the closest model (p15). As soon as this happens, the Force rule can be triggered, and if it succeeds, the multi-wound model is removed as a casualty. Move on to the next unsaved Wound in the pool, rinse and repeat.

**Fragile**

Massaen wrote:
It would appear that you do indeed activate after allocating wounds and rolling save as the force rule specifies unsaved.

So a librarian getting 2 wounds on a unit of tyranid warriors would kill 1 warrior as by the time you activate the weapon, there is only 1 warrior who was been wounded and taken 2 wounds

This is incorrect. You would allocate the first wound to the tyranid warrior. Since that wound is unsaved and the Force weapon activates, then that warrior suffers ID. The next wound is allocated to the next warrior who suffers ID. 2 wounds.. 2 dead warriors..

Bloodhorror, Boneswords are debatable whether they activate along the same lines.

**Massaen**

Ah, I see what you mean now. My mistake!

**Rumbleguts**

I was really certain that it would kill multiple model, and being a Tyranid player, really sad others agree. What a Dreadknight does to a brood of Carnifex is simply wrong for the point cost.