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 HoverBoy wrote:
They all still use his BS5, it's just that his own markerlight is resolved at BS1 for snapshot.

Still needs Clarification, because the Drone controller says Uses the bearer's Ballistic skill ands its pretty much split 50/50 with people says you use his BS, then modify it for the drones or you use his BS after all modifiers take place. now if the FAQ comes out and says "You modify the Ballistic skill before you roll" then yes they would retain BS5 but if it doesnt say anything..... we are stuck with the unclear writing.

Drones are Jet pack infantry, they have relentless so they can shoot the weapons at BS5

Dracoknight wrote:
Drones are Jet pack infantry, they have relentless so they can shoot the weapons at BS5

It still depends on the Ruling for Drone Controller, if its after all modifers they will shoot at BS 1, if its before modifers than they will shoot at BS 5.

Snap shot does not affect the model's actual BS it just affects the shots he makes.
A model making a snapshot isn't reduced to BS1 he resolves the shot at BS1.

 HoverBoy wrote:
Snap shot does not affect the model's actual BS it just affects the shots he makes.
A model making a snapshot isn't reduced to BS1 he resolves the shot at BS1.

This is correct. So the drones use his full BS5

If a Sun Shark hits a Flying Monstrous Creature with it's networked markerlight, does it take it's grounding test before all the other weapons on the Sun Shark fire? Which could then make it snap shots for the Sun Shark to hit as it had to choose to "Skyfire" this turn, and the creature may have failed it's grounded test.

 megatrons2nd wrote:
If a Sun Shark hits a Flying Monstrous Creature with it's networked markerlight, does it take it's grounding test before all the other weapons on the Sun Shark fire? Which could then make it snap shots for the Sun Shark to hit as it had to choose to "Skyfire" this turn, and the creature may have failed it's grounded test.

It takes the grounding test before you fire the rest of the weapons. The Sun Shark will fire at normal BS since it's still firing at a FMC (it doesn't matter if it's swooping or gliding). I'm not sure if the second round of shooting would trigger another grounding test if the first one is passed.

You take a grounding test once per unit that is firing, so there is no allowance for taking it before the rest of the units weapons fire.

There is still one unit firing, there is still only one test.

Yeah, this seems to be a functionally irrelevant question.

The only two things in the codex that have a networked markerlight are vehicles that have skyfire as well (including the drones on the bomber).

So whether the FMC gets grounded by the networked markerlight or not does not matter to them, and the rules seem pretty clear that you're only taking one grounding test per unit's shooting.

So whether you take the test after the networked markerlight or after the rest of the unit's shooting is essentially irrelevant in this case.

Dracoknight wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:
Snap shot does not affect the model's actual BS it just affects the shots he makes.
A model making a snapshot isn't reduced to BS1 he resolves the shot at BS1.

This is correct. So the drones use his full BS5

I agree that RAW the rules work this way. The question is simply the reverse of one of the ones on the first page: If the drone controller does not fire snap shots in a situation where the drones do (ie, controller has skyfire), what BS do they use? If it is ruled that the drones also get skyfire in that situation, you could argue make sense that they fire BS1 in this one?

RE: FMC and grounding:
If the FMC gets grounded from the markerlight, doesn't that mean that the rest of the weapons on the skyray are now firing skyfire at a ground target, ie needing snapshots?

Trasvi wrote:

RE: FMC and grounding:
If the FMC gets grounded from the markerlight, doesn't that mean that the rest of the weapons on the skyray are now firing skyfire at a ground target, ie needing snapshots?

Nope, check the rules for Skyfire and you'll see.

Skyfire fires normal BS against Skimmers, Flyers & FMCs. It does not matter if the FMC is swooping or gliding.

Trasvi wrote:

Dracoknight wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:
Snap shot does not affect the model's actual BS it just affects the shots he makes.
A model making a snapshot isn't reduced to BS1 he resolves the shot at BS1.

This is correct. So the drones use his full BS5

I agree that RAW the rules work this way. The question is simply the reverse of one of the ones on the first page: If the drone controller does not fire snap shots in a situation where the drones do (ie, controller has skyfire), what BS do they use?

They still use his BS but with no skyfire of their own they snapshoot.
Same as the other case their BS is still=drone controller use, just the shots are resolved at BS1, i see no RAW way for him to transfer his special rules just his BS and in the more specific case of targetting a unit with hard to hit they kinda loose out.

 HoverBoy wrote:

Trasvi wrote:

Dracoknight wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:
Snap shot does not affect the model's actual BS it just affects the shots he makes.
A model making a snapshot isn't reduced to BS1 he resolves the shot at BS1.

This is correct. So the drones use his full BS5

I agree that RAW the rules work this way. The question is simply the reverse of one of the ones on the first page: If the drone controller does not fire snap shots in a situation where the drones do (ie, controller has skyfire), what BS do they use?

They still use his BS but with no skyfire of their own they snapshoot.
Same as the other case their BS is still=drone controller use, just the shots are resolved at BS1, i see no RAW way for him to transfer his special rules just his BS and in the more specific case of targetting a unit with hard to hit they kinda loose out.

And agian it comes down to when do we use the Drone controller's BS because it does not defines a set "phase" to transfer it. in the FAQ about using special attacks to modify BS on snap shots it mentions abilities that all happen before you actually roll to attack, where as the drone controller mentions no time (ie before/during/after) when you use the Bearer's ballistic skill, just that you use it instead of the model's own. the drone controller needs GW answer.

I have another question about the Paradox of Duality. It says the wound is discounted as if a cover save has been passed. How does this interact with the Tally of Pestilence rule, and how does this interact with weapons that ignore cover saves?

Marker lights and supporting fire. Are all supporting fire happening simultaneously with overwatch? If not then can marker lights be utilized from the overwatch squad to help supporting squads or vice versa?

 Tomb King wrote:
Marker lights and supporting fire. Are all supporting fire happening simultaneously with overwatch? If not then can marker lights be utilized from the overwatch squad to help supporting squads or vice versa?

Why would there be specific permission for them to affect overwatch, if they can't be used in a manner where it matters.

 Tomb King wrote:
Marker lights and supporting fire. Are all supporting fire happening simultaneously with overwatch? If not then can marker lights be utilized from the overwatch squad to help supporting squads or vice versa?

When an enemy charges, the units that are in Range and have Supporting fire can choose to "Overwatch"

"Resolve Overwatch" is a subphase of the Assault phase and if chosen, is immediately after an enemy declares a charge against one of your units.

Support Fire allows other units to also Overwatch and if they choose to, then it also occurs immediately after an enemy declares a charge against one of your units.

Thus both the unit being Charged and any "Supporting Fire" units that choose to, will fire and resolve Overwatch at the same time.

40k-noob wrote:
Thus both the unit being Charged and any "Supporting Fire" units that choose to, will fire and resolve Overwatch at the same time.

Pg. 27 in the rulebook tells you to resolve each units shots seperately.

overkongen wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Thus both the unit being Charged and any "Supporting Fire" units that choose to, will fire and resolve Overwatch at the same time.

Pg. 27 in the rulebook tells you to resolve each units shots seperately.

Resolve Separately but at the same time. You can't go from one declared charge to the next declared charge and then go back to that first supporting unit and fire at that first charger.

Also if you are firing at the same time, no marker lights are on the unit as you fire. But I can see a faq going the other way as well.

edit: spelling

Nowhere does it say it's resolved at the same time. Instantly is not the same as simultaneously. It's resolved as a normal shooting attack which follows the shooting sequence listed on page 12.

40k-noob wrote:

Resolve Separately but at the same time. You can't go from one declared charge to the next declared charge and then go back to that first supporting unit and fire at that first charger.

Also if you are firing at the same time, no marker lights are on the unit as you fire. But I can see a faq going the other way as well.

edit: spelling

You know how you know your interpretation is dead-wrong (besides the fact that the rules don't support what you're saying)? Because markerlights specifically say that they can be used to improve overwatch shooting.

 yakface wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

Resolve Separately but at the same time. You can't go from one declared charge to the next declared charge and then go back to that first supporting unit and fire at that first charger.

Also if you are firing at the same time, no marker lights are on the unit as you fire. But I can see a faq going the other way as well.

edit: spelling

You know how you know your interpretation is dead-wrong (besides the fact that the rules don't support what you're saying)? Because markerlights specifically say that they can be used to improve overwatch shooting.

guess I missed that part of the codex. What page would that be on?

40k-noob wrote:

guess I missed that part of the codex. What page would that be on?

The last sentence of the 'pinpoint markerlight' rules.

I have the iOS version of the codex, so I can't give you a printed version page #.

40k-noob wrote:
guess I missed that part of the codex. What page would that be on?

Pg. 68.

Multi tracker - says you can fire an additional weapon in the shooting phase is this an oversight or is it intended that you can only overwatch with 1 weapon per battlesuit?

Pathfinder shas'ui can take a blacksun filter for 1pt, even though blacksun filters on pathfinders are almost useless, however the fire warrior team leader cannot, oversight or intended?

huh.. until reading this thread I never even noticed that the codex states a twin linked burst cannon instead of two burst cannons... great... gotta build some smart missiles now, thats sure to be FAQ'd but until then thats a pain

It will need faq'd though as they technically happen at the same time and I can see people arguing both ways.

Bobug wrote:
Multi tracker - says you can fire an additional weapon in the shooting phase is this an oversight or is it intended that you can only overwatch with 1 weapon per battlesuit?

Pathfinder shas'ui can take a blacksun filter for 1pt, even though blacksun filters on pathfinders are almost useless, however the fire warrior team leader cannot, oversight or intended?

huh.. until reading this thread I never even noticed that the codex states a twin linked burst cannon instead of two burst cannons... great... gotta build some smart missiles now, thats sure to be FAQ'd but until then thats a pain

Not so sure it will get FAQ, I am thinking the TLing of the SMS and BC as to "make-up" for losing the ability to fire as a fast vehicle.

Do the Sniper Drones' longshot pulse rifles count as "pulse rifles" for the purposes of the Fireblade's Volley Fire ability?

Two sniper shots at 48" and 3 at 24" might be enough to convince me to try out sniper drone teams.

Bobug wrote:
Multi tracker - says you can fire an additional weapon in the shooting phase is this an oversight or is it intended that you can only overwatch with 1 weapon per battlesuit?

Already asked and answered - ALL shooting states "in the shooting phase", so either all "in the shooting phase" work or none do

Hom many weapons can a commander with "early warning override" and 3 weapons fire with interceptor?

1, 2, because of multi tracker, or 3, because all 3 weapons have the interceptor special rule?