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I was just wondering why the ADL is more popular than the Bastion from what I have seen in the Army List thread.

I just do not understand why some people would not pay 25pts more to get 4 heavy bolters, 2 stories and a roof with great vantage points. Also units inside would not get shot at. However, I am still unclear about assaulting. Can the enemy open the door and assault the units inside? I hear you can toss grenades inside, but what if you model the bastion with no ground floor firing points?

The ADL is better because a lascannon can not one shot the ADL, but it CAN one shot the bastion.

The ADL is also cheaper.

Money and transportation logistics.

Wars are won with logistics.

 ansacs wrote:
Money and transportation logistics.

Wars are won with logistics.

This. mostly the transport. The defense line takes up almost no room and but the bastion is huge.

Units can score from behind an ADL. Units can not score from inside a bastion.

I've played both and I've found one truth: the ADL is usable against any opponent and the Bastion can be situational. Locally, I play against a lot of IG and they tend to drop the Bastion on turn 1 or turn 2 at the latest. Against other armies, the Bastion works very well as I don't see lots of long range, high strength weapons.

Against high strength attacks buildings are deathtraps.

The folk inside take a hit whenever the building takes a glance or above, and pens can get REALLY nasty on the unit inside.

Anyone within 2'' of a firepoimt can lob grenades into the firepoints, again with nasty consequences for the inhabitants.

Fire bad! Flamers can ruin the unit inside';s day also...

The four heavy bolters (assuming an official bastion model) are all pointing in different directions, so odds are you will get max 2 on target.

Units can assault into your bastion to attack the units inside.
The rules are in the buildings section.

They can also assault the bastion itself. A MC or Dread will feth a bastion over fast,

Modelling the bastion in any way other than the model shows it to be would be MFA if it gives you an advantage, assuming using the official model.


Bastions, and their bigger cousin the FOR, are in some ways very sturdy, and in other ways deathtraps.

^this +1

I stopped going in buildings if there was an assault unit within a bull's roar of it. Guaranteed death.

I have seen people mention the benefit of putting a non-Fearless unit inside of a building. Units like Havocs that are fairly durable but not Fearless benefit from hiding inside.

The other reason why people take the ADL is that the cheaper option gives a good chunk of your army a 4+ cover save as opposed to the more expensive option to put one unit inside a building.

 minigun762 wrote:
I have seen people mention the benefit of putting a non-Fearless unit inside of a building. Units like Havocs that are fairly durable but not Fearless benefit from hiding inside.

I stopped putting units in buildings if they are anywhere near an assault unit - it is ridiculously easy to hose out a unit from a building with grenades and flamers.

i thought about it till i realized how easy it is to take a building down. AV14 isnt that hard to deal with for most armies, especially when it sits in the wide open and has no possible save whatsoever. Land raiders are only an issue because of a MUCH lower profile in comparison and they tend to juke around terrain to limit the shots that can hurt it till its able to do its job.

Also, even though its written that the bolters do not take up an access point to fire out (forget where i think it was a FAQ) its still only 1 possible 2 models inside that can fire at oncoming units (2-4 including the heavy bolters). Not that much. And the Quad/Icarius on top will only fire at BS2 unless someone is on top of the building, and you cant occupy and be on top of a building with the same unit so now you have 2 units tied up to a reasonably easy to deal with AV14.

The bastion does not fair very well in competitive play

People do not use them mostly because they can be destroyed, they are immobile single hull point models essentially

Sometimes for fun i take one just because my chaos bastion looks awesome and i like being really cheap and hiding it behind a ruin, so although its crap, atleast i have a 4+ save

But with my experience, i prefer to completely ignore all fliers and go after ground control

At my hobby store we have 3 cron air players and it gets really annoying but i can fair pretty well against them by focusing all my firepower on wraiths/warlord and killing all troops, its those damn anhilation barges i hate, 90 point death machines i tell ya

I'd say one of the few units that can use the Bastion properly is Daemons.

Bloodletters on top with an Icarus Lascannon, fairly cheap and can begin to head out if something dares to threaten things up close. Horror Squad inside with a Herald can pump out 4-7 D6 Str. 5-6 Shots out the two Firepoints.