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čao bellas,
So I've been hearing in the rumour mill that there may be a new Guard codex in the next... 2 years? Am I the only one who is filled with dread by this prospect? I mean, sure, we're not top dogs codex-wise like back in the heady and horrifying Leafblower days, but it's an extremely flexible, solid codex that's made the transition to 6th excellently, from all I've seen. So I'm perturbed by the concept of a rewrite.

Maybe that's always the case with a forthcoming codex for an army that ain't broke, but I'm usually against knee-jerk opposition to change. Look how lovely Chaos Daemons turned out, for example.

So, please give your opinions on this topic. As a possible format, why not give your best hopes for tiny tweaks, or your greatest fears for massive changes?

*And apologies if this topic has already been done to death, I missed it*

To get started, how's about Forward Sentries letting you actually place your sentries forward? maybe a slight bump in cost to add infiltrate USR. Get yo' Tanith on!

This should be in News and Rumours.

Moving now...


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What is this topic about? Is it a Rumour or a proposal for rules?

Please make sure and ask for it to be put in the right forum.

I think we're better off in 40k general TBH.

I'm sure as/when we have solid or reliable guard news there'll be a thread on it.

It's a wild ride in this thread!

A new guard codex would be good for everyone. It's got some good-great units and a lot of bad units. Nerf the great, buff the bad, guard players get more to play with and other players hopefully don't face flyer spam or gunlines so much.

Would love to see a lot of things be more worth taking: rough riders, sentinels, ratlings, ogryns, snipers in general, grenade launchers, non-lascannon heavy weaps. No doubt missing a few. Not to mention going back to getting some diversity from doctrines so you can get rules to go with your tanith first and so on.

I agree with the above poster, I would love a hardback dex where all the units are viable and some new plastic kits! Aka medusas and rough riders!

Also an entry for the artillery platforms would be awesome.

Rough riders should just be a unit of veterans on horses (or, even better, motorcycles), with all the equipment and choices, plus the lance.

They'd be fantastic.

Given the current release schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if all the codexes had 6ed versions within a few years, regardless of if they 'need' them or not. The recent tau and daemons books didn't change the armies very much - just added the odd new unit and rebalanced others.

Current GW policy seems to be...

- update everything to 6ed as quickly as possible
- release a few new kits for each army
- don't waste time on massive redesigns, just get it out there

 ArbitorIan wrote:
Given the current release schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if all the codexes had 6ed versions within a few years, regardless of if they 'need' them or not. The recent tau and daemons books didn't change the armies very much - just added the odd new unit and rebalanced others.

Current GW policy seems to be...

- update everything to 6ed as quickly as possible
- release a few new kits for each army
- don't waste time on massive redesigns, just get it out there

Sounds fair. I just hope they keep the orders system, the platoon system, and the variety of available choices. Doctrines and the like to give more different types of formations would be nice. Or even a similar system to the 5th ed SM dex and the new CSM dex, what upgrades you give your commander messes with the FOC chart. So, unless your CCS has a Chim, nobody gets a Chim. Upgrade the CCS to a command tank, switch infantry-troops to heavy support, Leman Russ squadrons to troops...

Yonan - I personally think sentinels are viable... But you only want one scout, with no upgrades, whom is such a low priority target he can outflank or lurk and snipe/tarpit/contest. changed the outcome of a few games for me, my little sneaky sentinel, hiding in the trees.

Rough Riders - perhaps just a points drop and the option to take them in platoons?


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@ModCrew - Thank you for the dance, I guess you could file this under 'wild conjecture and aspiration'. There's no real proposed rules, and no solid rumours. Just hoping for a sensible wishlist and a bit of gossiping with like-minded individuals.

The codex needs more internal balance, so I'm okay with a new codex that attempts to add internal balance while also adding new units and characters.

I'd be game, and fill out the other playstyles of IG.

Also, 40pt Vendetta tax, please!

 TheKbob wrote:

Also, 40pt Vendetta tax, please!

Could you clarify that a little? Is that the 40pt tax rate for high-vendetta earners? (terrible joke for the UK crowd there)

 Captain Roderick wrote:
we're not top dogs codex-wise

Tournament results are not supporting that supposition.

 Captain Roderick wrote:
I mean, sure, we're not top dogs codex-wise l

Ehm...you might want to check that twice.

Right now, IG are the most broken army in the entire game.

I'd like to see storm troopers go down in price and give Rough Riders (on horses, because feth you guys, I've finally found a good source for them! ) access to carapace armour.

I'd also like to see a return of the command bubble for all officers and a more useful vox, because a re-roll on something in shouting distance is just pants.

You also have to consider the fact that GW doesn't think in terms of who needs an update when it comes to competitive balance, all that has to happen is for them to have enough new kits that they think will sell to go ahead and pull the trigger on an update.

That said, I would love for them to update the Imperial Guard codex because, as someone has already mentioned, the internal balance is absolutely horrible; arguably the worst internal balance of any codex out there right now. I'm hopeful that they'll fix this because the 6th edition codices we've seen so far seem to have a lot less no-brainer choices in their FOC, which is great. Things I would like to see addressed:

They need to fix the Vendetta points cost (I think 150 would be fair). They also need to fix Heavy Weapons Squads (I'm not sure how they would do this but as it stands these are far too fragile and are not very points efficient). I would like to see Hell Hounds and their variants tweaked in some way that make players consider them over the Vendetta. Everything else I can think of at the moment pretty much boils down to points adjustments, which again is part of the internal balance issue.

 Captain Roderick wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

Also, 40pt Vendetta tax, please!

Could you clarify that a little? Is that the 40pt tax rate for high-vendetta earners? (terrible joke for the UK crowd there)

When you have garbage flyers (and good ones) starting at 170 and then look at the Vendetta? It should be about 40 pts more in cost. It was gross in 5E and flat out silly in 6E. The only reason I haven't seen more is because of actual model cost.

The book needs a lot of work on internal balance, as noted by others. Given how awful armor is in 6E, a lot of vehicles are in dire need of adjustment. Meanwhile, many of the infantry units outside of veteran and command squads are in need of lots of help, and even those are only really good when loaded with A: 3-4 Meltaguns or B: 3-4 plasma guns most of the time. Ogryn, Stormtroopers, LR Vanquishers, Sentinels, Hellhounds, Penal legion, etc are all very much looking for some help.

The book definitely needs some internal balance, as about half the codex is solid and the other half ranges from gimmicky to useless. I'd like to see the Elites section become worthwhile above all else; Stormtroopers are too cool to be in the situation they're in. I'd be more excited for new plastics than anything else though.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Stormtroopers are too cool to be in the situation they're in. I'd be more excited for new plastics than anything else though.

I agree with this a hundred percent. Plastic stormtroopers would be amazing.

I would like the 4th edition codex to be returned. Paratroopers!

As has been stated, the biggest flaw in the codex is internal balance. When's the last time you saw a Deathstrike, basilisk battery, stormtroopers, ogryn, bane wolfs, devil dogs, vanquishers (outside an Armoured Battle Group, where they're awesome) and so on.

Platoons and orders are good Guard functions, and make their infantry viable, rather than speed bumps, but there's still some needed, like heavy weapon teams, which are expensive and fragile.

The biggest changes I'd like to see are the return of doctrines (the most diverse army fluffwise in the entire galaxy ought to be more modular, allowing for paratroopers, mechanized infantry, armoured infantry, light infantry, etc), remove the vendetta's transport capacity and increase its price, drop the price on stormtroopers, allow for "veteran tank" upgrades, like vet squads, pay an increased price for non-squadronable BS4 tanks, that sort of thing. Basilisks also ought to be cheaper,and manticores more expensive. The cost effectiveness between the two is frightening, but I think that's due to GW over-valuing AP3 in the rules, much like how overpriced stormtroopers are.

Ap3 isn't the be-all, end-all, unless you're playing somewhere with no terrain and all marines.

Bring back Schaeffer and his Last Chancers! Not a generic penal unit. Give us Gaunt and the First and Only! Make Sentinel Walkers useful again!!

As a non-IG (Tau player) I have to say...

Russ' as troops? If Tau didn't get an option for Farsight to make Crisis suits troops, I don't see this happening. I DO see Russ's being made to be able to fire more guns on the run, just because they're not very consistent in rule making sometimes.

I'd personally love to see Rough Riders made viable again. I had modded up my own motorcycle rough riders a while back, but they kinda blow. Vendetta's definitely need to be price boosted, and the ability to take squadrons of them eliminated (no other flyer can take sqdns, seems silly they can)

I liked the 4th edition Guard codex a ton, but GW has been moving far away from customization in armies towards a rock, paper, scissors ideology where if you're a rock, you better take a scissors ally. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the IG elite slots stayed unviable as a way to encourage IG players to get allied elite units, personally.

If anything, you can expect to have more IC choices for commander with a different variety of orders than the standard one, and/or character upgrades for squads like Vets/Penal Legion/Ogryn etc. that make them usable, but not spammable.

I am not worried about an update. I started collecting IG models during 2nd edition and will use them if they are nerfed or OP.

Like others I would enjoy having some of the poorer units changed to be useful. They dont need to be better than average, just not a liability or free VP for my opponent.

I hope some thought goes into our vehicles because of the changes in 6th edition rules, but I am not counting on it.

There is a rumour of some large kit perhaps a Knight that will be coming out in the next few months for imperials and chaos. Personally I dont like all these enormous models that look more like toys to me than wargame miniatures. I would rather we get some chimera variants or a cheap command vehicle like FW makes.

I would not be sorry to see the catachans replaced with great coats or some other style of basic trooper.

If you are an IG fan PLEASE check out my IG renegade/undead modeling blog linked below and tell me what you think! Lots of painted models and conversions.

I'd like to see the Vulture added as a Codex entry. Because when I buy that lovely model, I want to be able to use it without issues.

 Captain Roderick wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

Also, 40pt Vendetta tax, please!

Could you clarify that a little? Is that the 40pt tax rate for high-vendetta earners? (terrible joke for the UK crowd there)

The 40pt tax is intergral to attracting truly world-class vendettas to the Imperial Guard.

JWhex wrote:

I would not be sorry to see the catachans replaced with great coats or some other style of basic trooper.

This. This. For the love of Slaanesh, This.

I mourn constantly for the loss of the various regiments. Please, find a way to make other regiments. I figure trenchcoats and gasmask head or fur heads would cover two types in one kit, try to do some ideas like that if cost is an issue.

I would love to see a new codex. There are a lot of units in the current IG codex that need some adjusting so they can see the light of day.

I would also like to see some of the forgeworld models moved into the codex such as artillery platforms and carriages and vultures which are all fun interesting units.

Finally I totally agree get some great coat plastic troopers. There would be a huge buying spree as all of the DKoK players suddenly increase their army size to foot horde.

I like the current codex. Only things i would change if possible.

1. Give the storm troopers the option of taking a valk/vendetta as a dedicated transport. Terminators can get a land raider, why no other unit.

2. Veteran drivers. Make this an upgrade for veteran squads. Make the chimera a BS4. Maybe 15 points.

3. Rough riders. This is a unit I would just scrap.

4. Hydra. Keep it at current point cost. Add interceptor for 50 points.

 martin74 wrote:
I like the current codex. Only things i would change if possible.

1. Give the storm troopers the option of taking a valk/vendetta as a dedicated transport. Terminators can get a land raider, why no other unit.

2. Veteran drivers. Make this an upgrade for veteran squads. Make the chimera a BS4. Maybe 15 points.

3. Rough riders. This is a unit I would just scrap.

4. Hydra. Keep it at current point cost. Add interceptor for 50 points.

Meh. Rough Riders are classic, man, and the conversion opportunities for them are more fun than any other IG unit, that's for sure. And, Valk/Vendetta dedicated transports? Because IG lists need to be able to go higher than 9 of them as it is?