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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/14 16:19:55
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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That cavalry charge reminded me:
New special rule for all Rough Riders - any unit that overwatches on a unit of Rough Riders and causes casualties, then is not the subject of an assault as a result of a failed charge, must pass a leadership check or become pinned - falling to their knees weeping and screaming 'OH GOD THE HUMANITY'
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Run a whole lot of wfrp and other rpg's, play The Woods and Kill Team, gather and look mournfully at imperial guard knowing I'll never finish enough to use them on the tabletop |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/14 18:06:37
Subject: Re:IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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As long as I can still run my crazy outflanking IG army, I'm game. Better internal balance (and perhaps some love for our poor, edition battered armor units) would be a welcome thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/15 09:11:43
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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If GW would read forums I would have a win-win idea.
Make RRs and Ogryns less points in platoons and plastic models.
They could sell more, we could field more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/15 13:05:03
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Lathor wrote:If GW would read forums I would have a win-win idea.
Make RRs and Ogryns less points in platoons and plastic models.
They could sell more, we could field more.
OHMIGOD platoons of Ogryn? You, sir, are a genius.
SkaerKrow - I hope you get to keep Al'Rahem's crazy outflank joy as well. It'd suck so hard if he disappeared. I like your plog as well btw - don't let anyone tell you those LRBT's look silly, they're no more cartoony than GW's range...
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Run a whole lot of wfrp and other rpg's, play The Woods and Kill Team, gather and look mournfully at imperial guard knowing I'll never finish enough to use them on the tabletop |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/15 20:11:38
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Looking at the thread title (and hell, I'm probably late with this thought), I've been wondering: Would any of us mind not getting a new 'Dex for a while? The current one works well, has a good amount of choice units that work well. Getting a new codex would likely mean being hit by the nerf stick.
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Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/15 20:19:14
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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After reading this thread I'm surprised more people aren't interested in internal balance. That needs to happen. I'm also shocked that few people are asking for storm trooper buffs. I'd like to see them at the point where they're actually worth taking over veterans.
Although what surprises me the most is the love for Rough Riders. I always assumed everyone hated them as much as I do. Clearly I was completely wrong. Each to their own I guess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/15 20:49:37
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
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liquidjoshi wrote:Looking at the thread title (and hell, I'm probably late with this thought), I've been wondering: Would any of us mind not getting a new 'Dex for a while? The current one works well, has a good amount of choice units that work well. Getting a new codex would likely mean being hit by the nerf stick.
To be fair, a portion of the codex works well, much of it doesn't. An update may not be too bad, and it's not like they can make Tanks any worse than they already are... :(
Griddlelol wrote:
Although what surprises me the most is the love for Rough Riders. I always assumed everyone hated them as much as I do. Clearly I was completely wrong. Each to their own I guess.
You're not alone, I hate them as well, but they are a classic longstanding IG unit
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/15 21:01:56
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Ian Pickstock
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Vaktathi wrote: liquidjoshi wrote:Looking at the thread title (and hell, I'm probably late with this thought), I've been wondering: Would any of us mind not getting a new 'Dex for a while? The current one works well, has a good amount of choice units that work well. Getting a new codex would likely mean being hit by the nerf stick.
To be fair, a portion of the codex works well, much of it doesn't. An update may not be too bad, and it's not like they can make Tanks any worse than they already are... :(
IG tanks are awesome. Chimera is stupid cheap, and all russes need is to be able to shoot sponsons + Ordinance, maybe slightly cheaper sponsons too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/15 21:21:37
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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BryllCream wrote: Vaktathi wrote: liquidjoshi wrote:Looking at the thread title (and hell, I'm probably late with this thought), I've been wondering: Would any of us mind not getting a new 'Dex for a while? The current one works well, has a good amount of choice units that work well. Getting a new codex would likely mean being hit by the nerf stick.
To be fair, a portion of the codex works well, much of it doesn't. An update may not be too bad, and it's not like they can make Tanks any worse than they already are... :(
IG tanks are awesome. Chimera is stupid cheap, and all russes need is to be able to shoot sponsons + Ordinance, maybe slightly cheaper sponsons too.
Tanks in general in 6th edition are fairly pants, and Chimeras die even faster than they did in 4E which is...impressive, with greatly diminished transport utility compared with 5th edition. None of that is unique to IG, but is a concern nonetheless. I haven't seen a vehicle heavy army, IG or not, do particularly well in the last 10 or so months aside from flyer lists and a few Necron AV13-spam lists. You can bring half the AT firepower you used to and do just as well in most cases, and if you bring just as much, then vehicles generally don't stand much of a chance.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/16 23:25:22
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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I'm just hoping with the new release they'll make more Guard Plastic Kits to replace the original metal models, making kits that you can actually customize to death and that aren't restricted to just one faction of the IG.
That said, I want them to include more fliers, I know we have two, but compared to the other fliers out they just fall out of the sky.
But I agree with the OP, it is an amazingly balanced codex that if tempered with by GW, might not be great, but more so, I WANT FLUFF!!! The Current codex doesn't have enough of it, so I want the new guy to throw in more fluff than you could point a chainsword at!
And just one final thing, I want Individual characters in the IG to become more customizable and have a full extensive plastic kit them, so you can go into battle with your customized HQ model. And then there's those damned ugly models of the Rough Riders, Ogryn and the Ratlings... More range in the Mutants and other special models would be nice...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 00:52:36
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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I dont think there is a chance in hell that our vehicles will get buffed. Wasnt nerfing tanks a big point of 6th edition?
Can you even imagine the nerd rage from other players that will result if IG tanks get a buff?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 02:59:59
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Bring back lumbering behemoth! Or even better, re write the rule allowing us to fire ordnance weapons and not have to snap fire the rest.
I'd like to give the guard access to some of the cool armored company toys like artificer hulls or beast hunter shells, but that probably won't happen.
In a dream world forge world would write the guard codex, make it awesome and feel like an authentic military force like all the other lists they write, but that probably won't happen either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 07:27:57
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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JWhex wrote:I dont think there is a chance in hell that our vehicles will get buffed. Wasnt nerfing tanks a big point of 6th edition?
Can you even imagine the nerd rage from other players that will result if IG tanks get a buff?
Well a lot of marine vehicles have gone down in price. So there's the hope that they'll do that, I'd love a 150pt demolisher. I doubt we'll get Lumbering Behemoth back, it would be a bit odd to lose a rule only to gain it again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 07:58:09
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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baxter123 wrote:
That said, I want them to include more fliers, I know we have two, but compared to the other fliers out they just fall out of the sky.
Wait, what? Vendettas fall out of the sky?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 08:52:46
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Douglas Bader
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Griddlelol wrote:I doubt we'll get Lumbering Behemoth back, it would be a bit odd to lose a rule only to gain it again.
Not too odd, TBH I think the only reason we're stuck with the current situation is that GW's incompetent rule authors forgot that the ordnance turret gun cripples the rest of your guns and negates the benefits of making LRBTs heavy vehicles. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an equivalent rule come back if/when they realize how they screwed up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 12:40:16
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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Peregrine wrote: Griddlelol wrote:I doubt we'll get Lumbering Behemoth back, it would be a bit odd to lose a rule only to gain it again.
Not too odd, TBH I think the only reason we're stuck with the current situation is that GW's incompetent rule authors forgot that the ordnance turret gun cripples the rest of your guns and negates the benefits of making LRBTs heavy vehicles. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an equivalent rule come back if/when they realize how they screwed up.
I could see the onces with Ordinance getting a special Rule or Pask giving it to the one he is on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 14:37:57
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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So I was looking at Necromunda rules yesterday, and possibly proxying my guardsmen for a gang - and it made me think, a really nice, simple thing I'd like to be able to give my infantry - even if it's only for veteran squads - is the ability to have a sidearm. Or even just a second CCW. Because I know my Necro gangs, they eventually all end up with autopistols, grenades, CCW's etc - so why not give the same option for Vets?
It's certainly one of the most likely things for veterans to pick up - a backup piece. 1pt upgrade to give a laspistol to each model.
opinions?
@AlmightyWalrus - yeah I was waiting for someone to spot that. Baxter123 - we already have the best fliers. We really don't need any more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 17:20:32
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Vaktathi wrote:Griddlelol wrote:Although what surprises me the most is the love for Rough Riders. I always assumed everyone hated them as much as I do. Clearly I was completely wrong. Each to their own I guess.
You're not alone, I hate them as well, but they are a classic longstanding IG unit
My personal love of them isn't because I like cavalry per se, it's just that these guys have one of the worst job of all guardsmen. If you're footslogging, at least you've got guns, numbers, cover and heavy weapons and armor backing you up.
Rough riders get handed a one use explosive stick and you get to run at the enemy on top of a horse, without any cover. You're like a walking, talking, shoot me target.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 17:23:52
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I dislike rough riders as they are presented.
But turn them in to bikers and suddenly they're awesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 17:28:27
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Peregrine wrote:
Not too odd, TBH I think the only reason we're stuck with the current situation is that GW's incompetent rule authors forgot that the ordnance turret gun cripples the rest of your guns and negates the benefits of making LRBTs heavy vehicles. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an equivalent rule come back if/when they realize how they screwed up.
It just seems weird that they had to remove it with an errata, when it was compatible with the current rule set. There's not much point in speculating though, we'll just have to wait an see.
Melissia wrote:I dislike rough riders as they are presented.
But turn them in to bikers and suddenly they're awesome.
They do look a hell of a lot better on bikes. Although the "feel" changes from honourable, pompous cavalry men to mad max-esque mentalists on bikes. I know which one I prefer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 19:05:19
Subject: Re:IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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GW has a habit of trying to make less used units more attractive as updates occur. The change to "heavy" was just that, it made Exterminators, Punishers and so on more attractive, as they can now lay down a pretty impressive barrage of fire. Previously, the only Russes I ever saw were Demolishers, Executioners (which are still awesome) and standard LRBT. Now, it's a much more diverse armoured presentation from the local Guard, myself included.
I can see, perhaps, some buff to the standard battle tank, perhaps a price drop or an ability to purchase something like lumbering behemoth; it's the staple tank, both on tabletop in most armies, and in the fluff. However, by the same token, it's the tank everyone ones, why buff it when you can now encourage people to buy new Russ kits with the other weapon options, rather than using their pre-2008 or whenever the new kit came out variants.
Though I must say, I do miss track guards.
That's what he new Guard release needs; track guards back in Russ kits, not a $15 "accessory" sprue with other useless bits to go along with your $50 tank.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 19:22:28
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Griddlelol wrote:Peregrine wrote:
Not too odd, TBH I think the only reason we're stuck with the current situation is that GW's incompetent rule authors forgot that the ordnance turret gun cripples the rest of your guns and negates the benefits of making LRBTs heavy vehicles. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an equivalent rule come back if/when they realize how they screwed up.
It just seems weird that they had to remove it with an errata, when it was compatible with the current rule set. There's not much point in speculating though, we'll just have to wait an see.
Melissia wrote:I dislike rough riders as they are presented.
But turn them in to bikers and suddenly they're awesome.
They do look a hell of a lot better on bikes. Although the "feel" changes from honourable, pompous cavalry men to mad max-esque mentalists on bikes. I know which one I prefer.
The thing is, Lumbering Behemoth actually didn`t do anything with the current ruleset the way it was previously worded. It read that a vehicle with that rule could fire its turret weapon in addition to any weapons it was normally allowed to fire, even if the turret was ordnance. However, vehicles already CAN fire all of their weapons in 6th edition even up to cruising speed or after firing ordnance, just as snap shots. Therefore, Lumbering Behemoth, as it was previously worded, is just reiterating something the rulebook already told you that you could do.
What they SHOULD have done is declared that Lumbering Behemoth allowed you to fire the turret and up to 1 other weapon at normal BS if you moved at combat speed, or fire everything at normal BS if you remained stationary; this would be the closest thing to getting them to work like they did in 5th edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 20:34:13
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Crimson wrote: vim_the_good wrote:What do people think about taking the scale back to the same size as the older Guard like Valhallans, Mordians and older Cadian. This would mean they would be the correct scale to SM.
Sure, it would probably be a good idea. Aren't FW guard scaled more like that anyway?
Nope, they just look dinky by comparison to the GW plastics because the GW plastics are such a horrible bunch of elephant men, if you compare an upright Cadian to an upright DKoK they both measure about 30-31mm to the eyes. The difference is that FW use 6-6.5 heads-high heroic scaling, they only marginally increase the size of the appendages over actual scale, and the weapons are more reasonable; meanwhile GW Guard are around 5 heads-high heroic scaled, with giant deformed hands and feet, wield ludicrous weapons, and are apparently issued with "marshmallow-man" pattern fatigues.
The old GW metals are just as bad as the plastics, but their smaller size hides it a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 22:58:49
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Captain Roderick wrote:So I was looking at Necromunda rules yesterday, and possibly proxying my guardsmen for a gang - and it made me think, a really nice, simple thing I'd like to be able to give my infantry - even if it's only for veteran squads - is the ability to have a sidearm. Or even just a second CCW. Because I know my Necro gangs, they eventually all end up with autopistols, grenades, CCW's etc - so why not give the same option for Vets?
It's certainly one of the most likely things for veterans to pick up - a backup piece. 1pt upgrade to give a laspistol to each model.
opinions?
You're talking about what we at my club call uber grit, like space wolves who have a bolter, bolt pistol and ccw? Storm troopers already have this atm, not sure about giving it to vets though, don't thnk it would be world ending if they were a little better at close combat
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/17 23:08:19
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Melissia wrote:I dislike rough riders as they are presented.
But turn them in to bikers and suddenly they're awesome.
Ah you see I'm the opposite. Whilst I can get behind the idea of bike-mounted reconnaissance troops I'd much, much rather have the absolute epicness that is a military horseman. The horse has been such an instrumental part of our warfare for thousands of years that I like it that in the 41st millenium, as technology levels regress, horses still have a use in warfare. I just hope they don't drop Rough Riders from the Codex entirely in the next update, in fact I will possibly hope that I will finally be able to take an entire regiment of them. I just don't think a man on a bike can compare to the thunder of hooves of massed horsemen yelling their battle cries whilst bugles urge them on, the shrill notes challenging the air before they smash into their foe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/18 09:13:42
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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EmilCrane wrote:
You're talking about what we at my club call uber grit, like space wolves who have a bolter, bolt pistol and ccw? Storm troopers already have this atm, not sure about giving it to vets though, don't thnk it would be world ending if they were a little better at close combat
Well exactly, it shouldn't be world ending, shouldn't even have that much use. Just feels appropriate, as a potential fluffy upgrade.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/18 13:09:27
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Captain Roderick wrote: EmilCrane wrote:
You're talking about what we at my club call uber grit, like space wolves who have a bolter, bolt pistol and ccw? Storm troopers already have this atm, not sure about giving it to vets though, don't thnk it would be world ending if they were a little better at close combat
Well exactly, it shouldn't be world ending, shouldn't even have that much use. Just feels appropriate, as a potential fluffy upgrade.
Or at least let them trade out thier Las-un for a Las-Pistol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/18 13:17:17
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Griddlelol wrote:
They do look a hell of a lot better on bikes. Although the "feel" changes from honourable, pompous cavalry men to mad max-esque mentalists on bikes. I know which one I prefer.
Aren't Rough Riders the "savage marauders on horse" kind of cavalry? I mean, their name is Rough Riders and not " IG Knights".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/18 13:32:27
Subject: IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Griddlelol wrote:
They do look a hell of a lot better on bikes. Although the "feel" changes from honourable, pompous cavalry men to mad max-esque mentalists on bikes. I know which one I prefer.
Yeah,me too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/18 13:42:21
Subject: Re:IG Codex Rumours (AKA if it ain't broke...)
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Knowing GW if they did do motorcycle Rough Riders they would look like this
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