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First off the bat.
When leadership stat becomes zero the model is instantly removed correct?

So if I had 10 fiends of slaanesh beside a psyker and it used a psychic power then he gets automatically removed though due to him having zero leadership now?

Thanks

No, it doesn't actually reduce the enemy's actual leadership value.

It just affect the number needed to pass a Leadership test for the purposes of manifesting a psychic ability.

But it says -1 to their leadership when doing a test vs -1 to the result of the psychic test.

Why is he removed?

Modifiers at a point are the same as permanent modifiers when it comes to tests. LD 9 is the same as LD 10 with a -1 when you are rolling a test.

But 10 Fiends would reduce your leadership by 10 and hence remove any psyker if they cast powers since you would have a Ld 0 now.

Oh ok nevermind it doesn't stack...

 Makutsu wrote:
But it says -1 to their leadership when doing a test vs -1 to the result of the Psychic test.

It says:

Codex: Chaos Daemons pg 57 wrote:
DISRUPTIVE SONG
Enemy Psykers within 12" of a Fiend of Slaanesh have a -1 penalty to the Leadership when taking Psychic tests.

This rule is not affecting the actual Leadership of the model but it is suffering a -1 to their Leadership when checking to see if they pass a Psychic test or not.

A test is just a comparison of the Models Leadership to the 2D6 roll. It doesn't actually modify the model's Leadership value.

This rule says to subtract 1 from the Leadership value when making the comparison and that is all it is doing.


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 Makutsu wrote:
But 10 Fiends would reduce your leadership by 10 and hence remove any psyker if they cast powers since you would have a Ld 0 now.

Oh ok nevermind it doesn't stack...

Why wouldn't it stack?

Well same thing with Initiatives and Toughness ones,
Such as the reducing one from fiends and the grenades from the Grey Knight book.

You could get to a zero and die from it. or not to be in combat at all.

So hence as stated by liturgies of blood, the modifiers are modifying your stat at that particular moment.

Wouldn't it be like stealth? Once you have distruptive song special rule appiled to a unit you can't have multiple ones stack on top of each other unless stated specifically.

I'm still not seeing why he is being removed. The stat is only modified for the test. You need to reduce the leadership to 0 to remove the model not reduce the leadership to 0 when taking a specific test.

If that was the case you'd kill off any models that have low leadership and lost a combat by a large margin.

I agree that the model is not killed outright but I do think the -1 penalty stacks. Effectively eliminating a Psyker's ability altogether.

I don't think it stacks due to the wording "Enemy Psykers within 12" of a Fiend of Slaanesh have a -1 penalty to the Leadership when taking Psychic tests."

This implies you get -1, if there is a fiend nearby, not that it's -1
-per- fiend nearby.

But, this is another thing, that need's to be clarified through a FAQ, we still have not got one, tau allready got one :S

We are perfect that's why


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Anyhow, I don't think anyone would cast psychi power if their leadership was zero...

I'll also admit, if it doesn't stack, it's pretty underwhelming. If it does, it's epic

 Evileyes wrote:
tau allready got one :S

Notice at the bottom of the Tau FAQ it says, "Chaos Space Marines."

Sloppy as hell like always :(

If you're 8 inches away from 1 Fiend, are you "within 12" of a Fiend of Slaanesh"?

If you're 8 inches away from 10 Fiends, are you "within 12" of a Fiend of Slaanesh"?

The answer is yes to both, and so you suffer a -1 penalty in both situations. This is exactly like SitW not stacking.

But a little bit like Autarchs, who DO stack. GW is fairly inconsistent

They got an FAQ to stack, didn't they?

Same as others, like astropath, got a FAQ to say they didnt stack, with similar wording.