Cheesecat wrote:I'm not a green party fan (too narrow focused) that was a joke, I usually lean liberal or social democrat but I heard the BC Liberal Party isn't really that liberal and leans somewhat center-right.

they are the Canadian equivalent of the Romney Republicans. It's all about privatization

spends taxpayer dollars to pay for their own re-election ads

RatBot wrote:Obligatory "Canada rations healthcare".

 azazel the cat wrote:

RatBot wrote:Obligatory "Canada rations healthcare".

*shakes fist*
RaaaaatBoooooot!



EDIT: I just realized the drawn-out use of the letter o totally changes that into a hilarious Canadian accent.

whembly wrote:Doesn't Harper want to privatize everything too?

 azazel the cat wrote:
Christy Clark is the most incompetent, disastrous person our province could possibly have in office. Vote against her. Please. Here are things Christy Clark believes are good for the province:

1. Undercutting teachers in BC in a blatant attempt to damage the public education system (one of the best in the world) because of her personal vendetta against teachers. (Christy Clark once claimed to have a degree from Harvard. That turned out to be a lie; she has applied and was rejected. Christy Clark has never attended a post-secondary institution.)

2. Outsourcing local jobs to temporary overseas workers (thus putting Canadians out of jobs)

3. Removing tax credits on the film industry (because the film industry is not a natural resource; we must compete with other provinces for this market, as it is a huge sourec of revenue)

4. Frakking near watersheds (we have the cleanest drinking water in the world and Clark aims to stop that)

5. Running an oil pipeline through the province with no security against massive spill damage. (under the promise that construction will create 1300 new jobs... until production is complete in two years, when those jobs will end and only about 40 employees will remain on as maintenance.)

6. Shamelessly wasting taxpayers' money in rebuilding BC Place Stadium's roof because... nobody knows why. (Seriously. The reason was because "a world-class city needs a stadium". Even though we already had the stadium. It was just remodelled. For no reason.)

7. Using ICBC's general funding as a "slush fund" to help balance her rampant overspending, thus driving up everyone's auto insurance for no good reason. (well, actually the reason was to pay for the new roof on BC Place stadium)

8. Overpaying for the PMH1 bridge expansion, which was considered an obsolete stop-gap measure before the concrete was even poured because it works against the nodal growth model of the GVRD's city planning; which will actually compound traffic congestion in the Fraser Valley Corridor over time. (expansion of mass-transit infrastructure was the way to go, as it would alleviate the burden on overland shipping routes with the need for a superfluous toll bridge)

9. Paying a stupid amount of taxpayer money to host some Bollywood award (not even their major one) because it was prior to the election (the major awards are not until after) in a blatant pander to minority communities. (her internal emails even reveal it to be a condescending pander to the "minority vote".)

10. Trying to pass herself off as a struggling single mother, when in fact she comes from an extremely affluent family.



I gak you not, Christy Clark is the Canadian Sarah Palin.
She is an embarassment to the province.

EDIT: I want to suggest you vote NDP, simply because they're like the Green Party in a lot of ways, and the strongest opposition to the Liberals (and the BC Liberals are very different from the Federal Liberals; the BC Liberal Party is basically a carbon-copy of the Romney Republicans). The NDP will still feth up and do stupid gak when they get into power; but their overall stance towards things is far more beneficial to the province as a whole. The NDP is pro-teachers, pro-nurses, pro-public education. Basically everything that makes Canada awesome. This is in opposition to the BC Liberals, who seek to privatize everything and want to collapse our natural resource industries in order to appease overseas corporate interests.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:I'm not a green party fan (too narrow focused) that was a joke, I usually lean liberal or social democrat but I heard the BC Liberal Party isn't really that liberal and leans somewhat center-right.

Without exaggeration: they are the Canadian equivalent of the Romney Republicans. It's all about privatization and treating BC's resources like it's a fire sale and everything must go. They have no sustainable plan, whether it be environmental or economic. They simply want to sell off the entire province to their crony friends via backroom deals to the detriment of everyone else.

The BC Liberals are socially moderate-right, and fiscally far right, as far right as you can get. They want to privatize everything; particularly schooling and health care.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to include #11: the current BC Liberal government spends taxpayer dollars to pay for their own re-election ads; a practice the NDP has vowed to do away with.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:I'm not a green party fan (too narrow focused) that was a joke, I usually lean liberal or social democrat but I heard the BC Liberal Party isn't really that liberal and leans somewhat center-right.

Without exaggeration: they are the Canadian equivalent of the Romney Republicans. It's all about privatization and treating BC's resources like it's a fire sale and everything must go. They have no sustainable plan, whether it be environmental or economic. They simply want to sell off the entire province to their crony friends via backroom deals to the detriment of everyone else.

The BC Liberals are socially moderate-right, and fiscally far right, as far right as you can get. They want to privatize everything; particularly schooling and health care.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to include #11: the current BC Liberal government spends taxpayer dollars to pay for their own re-election ads; a practice the NDP has vowed to do away with.

Dude, at least YOUR provincal Fiberals didn't waste upwards of $1 billion worth of taxpayers' money to move two powerplants in order to buy a pair of Fiberal seats...


I would however be hesitant to vote NDP.
See, we here in Ontario once thought that way once after we got fed-up with the Libs & Consern-themselves... Then we got Bob Raye and in only 4 short years he tanked our province so far into the ground we popped out somewhere near China!

NDP tends to be very pro-union, and that is downright scary. Alot of Ontario's current fiscal troubles are due to overly selfish & highly militant union politics of "gimmie-gimmie-gimmie!!!" and always screaming for more. The problem is, there's only just so much public money to go around of corse, and once you've caved to the unions the first time, it's like bleeding into a swimming pool full of sharks!
Socialism is all well and good in theory. In practice it doesn't work because government funds can't sustain it. Just look at how Ontario's auto-sector nearly died out entirely due to overly generous employie wages + benifits AND pension funding. Or how the Teacher unions have litterly held the entire province hostage to get what they want. (caused our Prem to call it quits & run for the hills, prorogued parliment, forced us to accept a non-elected new prem AND THEN, the dumb b just caved in and gave them what they wanted in order to secure the union's powerful political support for the almost certain forthcoming election... )

You can learn alot from Toronto's political stupidity!

Bullockist wrote:
I also don't know anything about canadian politics and I'm not green in anyway, but anyone who wants frakking near water tables is a moron.
Until someone can explain to me how you can fix a water table after you bugger it, I think frakking is irresponsible.

Bullockist wrote:I also don't know anything about canadian politics and I'm not green in anyway, but anyone who wants frakking near water tables is a moron.
Until someone can explain to me how you can fix a water table after you bugger it, I think frakking is irresponsible.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Whembly: "A truly balanced look on the technique" from the Pacific Institute? Please do not attempt to contribute outright lies and concentrated stupidity. Even you aren't so dumb as to believe there's anything more than half-truths to anything the Pacific Institute has come up with.

whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Whembly: "A truly balanced look on the technique" from the Pacific Institute? Please do not attempt to contribute outright lies and concentrated stupidity. Even you aren't so dumb as to believe there's anything more than half-truths to anything the Pacific Institute has come up with.

Erm..what? Aren't you thinking of a different group?

 azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Whembly: "A truly balanced look on the technique" from the Pacific Institute? Please do not attempt to contribute outright lies and concentrated stupidity. Even you aren't so dumb as to believe there's anything more than half-truths to anything the Pacific Institute has come up with.

Erm..what? Aren't you thinking of a different group?

HA!
I'm thinking of the Pacific Research Institute.

You have my apologies.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Experiment 626: Our provincial Liberals have spend far more than that on a bridge that causes more problems than it solves, and stops solving even those in the long-term.

 azazel the cat wrote:
The BC NDP is also very pro-union but it's very necessary in a resource-rich province. Without it, you wind up in bad situations (see: history of mining in North America). I won't say the provincial NDP isn't without their hippy faults, but they are BY FAR the best choice in BC, simply because they believe in -and have demonstrated- to be on the side of teachers, nurses, ambulance drivers, and pretty much any public infrastructure that makes our society awesome. Currently, the local Liberals have taken as many steps as possible to steal from the province and line their own pockets. Christy Clark has publicly paid her BFF a 6-figure taxpayer salary to perform a job that has never once been defined or demonstrated.

I'm not sure if the Social Credit Party ever made their way that far East before, but they're very, very hated out here. And the current BC Liberals are actually staffed with many of the same people from the discredited SoCreds.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Experiment 626: Our provincial Liberals have spend far more than that on a bridge that causes more problems than it solves, and stops solving even those in the long-term.

Well, we still have the billion plus dollar E-Health boondoggle that still hasn't been sorted out, the 'Green Engery' plan and all those ultra-expensive and ultra-unhealthy wind farms, Ornge Air Ambulance scandal in which millions and millions of taxpayer dollars were wasted and paitients died... (not to mention the brand new fleet of helicopters that all need to be retro-fitted because there's not enough room for medics to even preform CPR! )

I'd say our Fibs are about even on the incompitence scale!

 azazel the cat wrote:
The BC NDP is also very pro-union but it's very necessary in a resource-rich province. Without it, you wind up in bad situations (see: history of mining in North America). I won't say the provincial NDP isn't without their hippy faults, but they are BY FAR the best choice in BC, simply because they believe in -and have demonstrated- to be on the side of teachers, nurses, ambulance drivers, and pretty much any public infrastructure that makes our society awesome. Currently, the local Liberals have taken as many steps as possible to steal from the province and line their own pockets. Christy Clark has publicly paid her BFF a 6-figure taxpayer salary to perform a job that has never once been defined or demonstrated.

I'm not sure if the Social Credit Party ever made their way that far East before, but they're very, very hated out here. And the current BC Liberals are actually staffed with many of the same people from the discredited SoCreds.

Just be very leary about handing your province over to the unions is all I can say.

Look at Ontario to see how badly things can go...
My cousin for example is a first year elementry teacher, and he'll be pulling in roughly $46k as a starting point! Within ten years, he could easily be between $68-$70k/year, plus full benifits AND a taxpayer-funded pension!
That's outright ludicous to expect the province to continue down this kind of road, especially when in a few short years there will be more and more retired people due to the babyboomer generation leaving the workforce.

I'm not saying that our public workers don't deserve fair pay, but right now as we've seen in Ontario, our public sector is so bloated and over-paid that it's lead to the financial crippling of the entire province. (all because the Fiberals have no backbone and use taxpayers to fund their continued re-election by pandering to groups like the Working Families Coilition to run all their dirty attack-ads)
But it really seems like most unions - especially the likes of the Teachers, CUPE, Public Transit, Autoworkers and the like are so far out of touch with financial reality that it's downright scary.

Not sure at all what your Conservatives are like, but the last Conservative government we had here under Mike Harris did pretty right by the taxpayer in general AND still gave very fair deals to the unions despite the militant faction's constant whining.
Even a minority between the NDP & Conservatives in which they hopefully work together might be worth hoping for?

feeder wrote:
Just vote NDP, Cheesecat. You like orange, don't you?

Clark is a fething deluded trainwreck of a politican. How she even manages to tie her shoes is a miracle.

 Cheesecat wrote:

feeder wrote:
Just vote NDP, Cheesecat. You like orange, don't you?

Clark is a fething deluded trainwreck of a politican. How she even manages to tie her shoes is a miracle.

I like both liberalism and social democracy but I was concerned that the BC liberals weren't actually liberal and it turns out that has been confirmed, so yeah I'll most likely go NDP or the British Columbia Marijuana Party (OK the marijuana part was a lie). Also have you checked Wikipedia's

BC's 2013 provincial election page? Some of the parties are pretty crazy there's a communist party, a christian party, a BC independence party, a western Canada independence party, a direct democracy party, a republican party, a work less party, an Excalibur party but the strangest one of all

was the libertarian party.

 Cheesecat wrote:
They still exist don't they, plus aren't they federal not provincial?

Wiki wrote:The Rhinoceros Party (French: Parti Rhinocéros) is a Canadian federal political party. Referred to in English Canada as the Second Rhinoceros Party. It was known as neorhino.ca until 2010, when the party changed names and registered a new party logo. Created in Montreal on May 21, 2006, and recognized by Elections Canada as being eligible for registration on August 16, 2007, and an official political party on August 23, 2007.[2] It is the successor to the Rhinoceros Party of Canada.
The party was founded by François "Yo" Gourd, who was involved with the original incarnation of the First Rhinoceros Party. He stated he named the new party (then under the name neorhino) for the Rhinoceros Party and for Neo, the Matrix character.[3] The party is currently led by François Gourd.
It promises, like its predecessor, not to keep any of its promises if elected