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Worst: Everything on pop music stations. It's all either A) dance music, or B) psuedo-soulful poppy singer/songwriter garbage like Taylor Swift. Give me the original Norah Jones, the White Stripes, the Dead Weather, or any other band with the slightest amount of self respect and originality. Just not this horrible dubstep-infused clubby music that is all about partying/sex/relationships, or even worse, all 3.
Morrissey is indeed a prat. The Smiths are class though.
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He represents everything I despise in the 40somethings covered in denim, spending several hundred quid to go to glastonbury and pretend they are both young and with it.
'Shall we do drugs and tell everyone how much we hate the establishment, even though we never did drugs in our youths and are actively employed by that self same establishment'...
Morrissey is indeed a prat. The Smiths are class though.
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He represents everything I despise in the 40somethings covered in denim, spending several hundred quid to go to glastonbury and pretend they are both young and with it.
'Shall we do drugs and tell everyone how much we hate the establishment, even though we never did drugs in our youths and are actively employed by that self same establishment'...
*Is glad nobody has mentioned Fall Out Boy yet* I'm prepared to argue to the death on that one.
Most overrated - one that immediately springs to my mind is Clutch. They have some very very good songs, but a lot of their stuff just ends up sounding the same. They aren't bad, just overrated. Also, most hair metal.
Worst - A bit hard to say, since if a musician/band is famous they usually can't be horrible. Even some songs by Taylor Swift or the Jonas Brothers are a little catchy. But I will say that most mainstream rap is absolutely horrible. I read some lyrics to a Jay-Z song the other day and could smell the stupidity radiating out of my computer screen.
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kronk wrote: Apparently, I'm really supposed to like Death Cab for Cuties or something. Meh.
Also, the most overated band/musician is either Rush or AC/DC, for the same reasons. Their instrumentals are actually very good, but every song is completely RUINED by their horrible respective lead vocalists.
Aside from AC/DC (at least post-Bon) being a guitar-based rock band and the vocalist being therefore somewhat irrelevant, I do urge you to listen to their stuff back from before Bon Scott died.
Although I got into AC/DC on the basis of the usual suspects, (Thunderstruck - the double guitar-riff and thumping bassline on this are still nothing short of genius- Highway to Hell), like Metallica, the earlier stuff (Ride On is my favorite AC/Dc song) is on the whole much preferable.
On the Beatles, although I'm not a huge fan, I can't really say they're overrated because most people I know tend to think they're so-so or OK, but not great.
Bob Dylan is aces, though!
My vote for most overrated band would go to U2, I think.
This will be my own personal opinion. You, of course, are entitled to your own opinions, but they probably won't change mine, no matter how much you quote me and stuff.
To me, one of the most overrated bands is Mayhem. To all black metallers, I've probably just committed treason. "Your avatar is Under A Funeral Moon!" I hear hordes of people cry. To me, however, nothing about Mayhem's music stands out. Deathcrush isn't that impressive, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas was outdated and pretty much obsolete in a few years and the rest of their crap is . . . well . . . crap. The only redeeming part of their discography is Live in Leipzig, only thanks to Dead. For black metal, little can beat the "unholy trinity" of A Blaze in the Northern Sky, Under A Funeral Moon and Transilvanian Hunger, plus Panzerfaust for good measure. Similarly, Burzum's first four albums are fantastic. Anything in Emperor's discography is brilliant and Ulver's first and third album are black metal classics. Mayhem, in my view, is only remembered because of the antics of Dead and Euronymous, who anyway were out-evil-ed by Varg Vikernes with his arson, murder and Nazi beliefs.
Another overrated band, again in my view, is Minor Threat. This is not so much because they were shadowed by other bands like Black Flag or Bad Brains, but for the simple fact that I don't like them very much. Ian MacKaye doesn't sound that great on vocals. Minor Threat, to me, just sounds like a bunch of angry teenagers bashing instruments (which to be fair they were probably doing anyway). Fugazi overshadows the band greatly, and Ian MacKaye sounds pretty good on that album.
I also feel that Ensiferum and Korpiklaani is overrated. That's not to say that I don't like both band's music (well to be fair I'm not a huge fan of Korpiklaani, but I really do like Ensiferum). I don't feel that they made as much of an impact as people claim they did, I don't see what's so fantastic about them, especially compared to bands like Eluveitie or Arkona. Part of that, for me, are their lyrics. I really hate the jovial attitude that they have to war and death, and for pity's sake Korpiklaani have a song called "Vodka"! Arkona has songs about Slavic paganism and Russian culture. Eluveitie have songs about the Gallic Wars, death and destruction, nature etc. To me, that's a lot more interesting than simply singing about drinking and fighting while drinking and partying while fighting while drinking.
The worst musician in the world? That's hard. Maybe Lil Wayne?
Agree with the first poster about Ke$ha being the worst singer. Probably in the entire world. What particularly bothers me about her is that all she does is talk about boozing, doing drugs and getting fethed. And when I was substitute teaching, 5th grade kids were talking about how awesome she is. She gets played on the radio and parents let their kids listen to her. If I could sum up all that was wrong with today's youth in a single word, it would be Ke$ha. That bitch is the load that should have been swallowed.
Most overrated? I'd go with Adam Lavigne or Black Eyed Peas. Lots of people love BEP, but they only address the same topics as Ke$ha and sing the same style of songs over and over. And Lavigne...he should have been nuked for "Moves Like Jagger". That song is atrocious.
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Although (imo), Innovation in music (bar inventing new sounds/instruments) is a bit of a bust as anything anyone's written will probably have been done before, we just might not have heard it.
What music is unique?
Have you never listened to the chemical brothers?!
Incidentally, I was never much of a fan of the beatles. I mean, I didn't mind them, but I couldn't see what the fuss was about. I saw Mccartney at Glastonbury a few years ago though, and he blew me away. To be fair, he had some astoundingly talented musicians in his band, but they made the previous night's headliners (oasis) look rank amateur.
Speaking of overrated, I've always found Liam Gallacher to be a talentless fool. Noel on the other hand, he can write a decent tune. I find Paul Weller a bit meh too.
As for auto tune, It's used more commonly than you probably realise. It is useful for ironing out small, perfectly natural fluctuations in just about every modern recording. Where it falls down is when sound engineers and producers use it in a ham fisted way. Basically, if you can hear it in the recording, you are using it too heavily!
Mate, Liam Gallagher's voice is incredible on the first two Oasis albums, Especially 'What's the Story...?' He's one of the best pop vocalists this country's produced in at least a couple of decades.
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Albatross wrote: I've always preferred Free to Led Zep, actually. Definitely worth a look if you've never heard them before and you like 70s hard rock.
The bands name is "Free"? just to clarify since you piqued my interest
timetowaste85 wrote: Agree with the first poster about Ke$ha being the worst singer. Probably in the entire world. What particularly bothers me about her is that all she does is talk about boozing, doing drugs and getting fethed. And when I was substitute teaching, 5th grade kids were talking about how awesome she is. She gets played on the radio and parents let their kids listen to her. If I could sum up all that was wrong with today's youth in a single word, it would be Ke$ha. That bitch is the load that should have been swallowed.
Yanno what, I totally agree with that. I hear her music, and usually its from young kids, and Im just floored that their parents allow them to listen to that garbage. I mean seriously? Pay attention to what your kids are doing and into FFS! I remember once I heard a girl singing one of her songs in a store, and when I turned to see who was singing it, there was a family of like 5, standing in line and the daughter was singing it, about 14ish and wearing a tshirt that I kid you not said "I LOVE D*CK"........what the frack?!
Albatross wrote: I've always preferred Free to Led Zep, actually. Definitely worth a look if you've never heard them before and you like 70s hard rock.
The bands name is "Free"? just to clarify since you piqued my interest
Yup, they're called Free.
This what they sound like:
For me, Paul Rogers is a 'tougher' and more bluesy vocalist than Robert Plant, hence I prefer him.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Agree with the first poster about Ke$ha being the worst singer. Probably in the entire world. What particularly bothers me about her is that all she does is talk about boozing, doing drugs and getting fethed. And when I was substitute teaching, 5th grade kids were talking about how awesome she is. She gets played on the radio and parents let their kids listen to her. If I could sum up all that was wrong with today's youth in a single word, it would be Ke$ha. That bitch is the load that should have been swallowed.
Most overrated? I'd go with Adam Lavigne or Black Eyed Peas. Lots of people love BEP, but they only address the same topics as Ke$ha and sing the same style of songs over and over. And Lavigne...he should have been nuked for "Moves Like Jagger". That song is atrocious.
Why would her singing about sex and drugs bother you that's a fairly common cliche of music, it's the kid's gakky parents who should be more careful about what their child listens to.
timetowaste85 wrote: Agree with the first poster about Ke$ha being the worst singer. Probably in the entire world. What particularly bothers me about her is that all she does is talk about boozing, doing drugs and getting fethed. And when I was substitute teaching, 5th grade kids were talking about how awesome she is. She gets played on the radio and parents let their kids listen to her. If I could sum up all that was wrong with today's youth in a single word, it would be Ke$ha. That bitch is the load that should have been swallowed.
Most overrated? I'd go with Adam Lavigne or Black Eyed Peas. Lots of people love BEP, but they only address the same topics as Ke$ha and sing the same style of songs over and over. And Lavigne...he should have been nuked for "Moves Like Jagger". That song is atrocious.
You just rendered my first choices redundant, so I'll have to pick 2 more.
Kedollarsignha is easily the most noxious "artist" I've ever heard, but Fergie's solo album is a close second.
I'd say Beyonce is more overrated than the Peas. Everyone treats them like the disposable pap they are, but her being put on a pedestal just baffles me. She's exactly as talented and sexy as a good 10% of the women I run into on a daily basis.
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predakhaine wrote: people telling me they are the single best band in the history of creation
Which speaks more to your personality than the Beatles' quality, no offense. Jesus, I hardly ever say that!
This turned into the same conversation again. I don’t think they were the best band ever – they created a lot, a lot of people really like them. I’m not one of them.
predakhaine wrote:]Personally I think Rossini did more for music by inventing the crescendo (unless it was Mosca, in that case Mosca did more) - but again, thats only my opinion.
albatross wrote:Really? Are you just being pretentious there?
Almost every modern form of music has used 'getting louder' to change volume. And anyway It’s no more pretentious than
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Didn't read the whole thread, but My first thought was KISS.
I'm a musician(Lead guitar) myself, and when a friend of mine who is a KISS nut from the 70's played one of their cds( this was like 15 years ago) I was thinking this would be cool because there are so many KISS fans they MUST be good musicians.
Then I heard the guitar..and was thinking..wow I could do those licks after only 6 months of playing the guitar and these guys are millionaires?
Well most generic stuff that has been made over the last decade that has been in the top charts has been overrated. The worst are artists like Justin Bieber, Nicky Minaj and Lil Wayne... Autotune... autotune everywhere. Plus Nicky Minajs looks, she looks a bit like a donkey with clownsmakeup. They make both Rebecca Blacks and David Hasselhoffs songs sound good... and that's how overrated they are..
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The Grumpy Eldar wrote: Well most generic stuff that has been made over the last decade that has been in the top charts has been overrated. The worst are artists like Justin Bieber, Nicky Minaj and Lil Wayne... Autotune... autotune everywhere. Plus Nicky Minajs looks, she looks a bit like a donkey with clownsmakeup. They make both Rebecca Blacks and David Hasselhoffs songs sound good... and that's how overrated they are..
Scratch that. Most generic stuff that has been made in most decades that has topped charts has been overrated.
predakhaine wrote: people telling me they are the single best band in the history of creation
Which speaks more to your personality than the Beatles' quality, no offense. Jesus, I hardly ever say that!
This turned into the same conversation again. I don’t think they were the best band ever – they created a lot, a lot of people really like them. I’m not one of them.
No, I was more speaking to the possibility that you dislike them because everyone else liked them and thought you should. That's what you seemed to be suggesting.
predakhaine wrote:]Personally I think Rossini did more for music by inventing the crescendo (unless it was Mosca, in that case Mosca did more) - but again, thats only my opinion.
albatross wrote:Really? Are you just being pretentious there?
Almost every modern form of music has used 'getting louder' to change volume.
Well they can also use 'getting quieter' too, amongst the many other ways in which you can change volume in a piece of music. BTW, I think 'gradually getting louder' is more accurate. In any case, it's just a device. It's like saying whoever (I don't care) invented the mordant is more important than the Beatles.
Which is just something people say to sound clever.
the Beatles were writing songs utilising modal melodies and surprising harmonic transitions
That's not pretentious, it's established fact that the Beatles were musically innovative pop composers for precisely those reasons. Even as early as 1964 (iirc) one reviewer commented on their 'Aeolian cadence'. Now that is pretentious! All it means is that the song to which he was referring ends on the 6th chord of the scale, contextually positioned in the place of the 1st. Needless to say, this is atypical in early sixties boy-meets-girl pop.
Albatross wrote:
The Beatles invented the pop album as we currently understand it.
What music do you think people would have written had the beatles not existed?
Edit:Actually that last question was rhetorical.
How was that a rhetorical question? Do you want me to answer it or not, or do you think I can't answer it without weakening my argument?
The Grumpy Eldar wrote: Well most generic stuff that has been made over the last decade that has been in the top charts has been overrated. The worst are artists like Justin Bieber, Nicky Minaj and Lil Wayne... Autotune... autotune everywhere. Plus Nicky Minajs looks, she looks a bit like a donkey with clownsmakeup. They make both Rebecca Blacks and David Hasselhoffs songs sound good... and that's how overrated they are..
Scratch that. Most generic stuff that has been made in most decades that has topped charts has been overrated.
What do you both mean when you say 'generic'?
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Just out of curiosity were the Beatles always loved by critics or were they sort of like Led Zeppelin where they were initially disliked by critics but are now considered brilliant?
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The Grumpy Eldar wrote: Well most generic stuff that has been made over the last decade that has been in the top charts has been overrated. The worst are artists like Justin Bieber, Nicky Minaj and Lil Wayne... Autotune... autotune everywhere. Plus Nicky Minajs looks, she looks a bit like a donkey with clownsmakeup. They make both Rebecca Blacks and David Hasselhoffs songs sound good... and that's how overrated they are..
Scratch that. Most generic stuff that has been made in most decades that has topped charts has been overrated.
What do you both mean when you say 'generic'?
The vast majority of the bubblegum-pop from the 50s, the Beatles knockoffs of the 60s (seriously, the Monkees were awful), the glam-rock imitators of the 70s that quickly went out of style, the 80s as a decade in general, and the boyband pop groups of the 90s all had a tendency to be mediocre at best.
That's not to say there was some really, really good music to come out of those eras, just as there's a lot of really, really good music to come out of this one as well. And similarly, occasionally that really, really good music can make it and has made it on the charts as well.
It'll be interesting, down the line, to see what music from this era we carry over as our 'classics.'
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Cheesecat wrote: Just out of curiosity were the Beatles always loved by critics or were they sort of like Led Zeppelin where they were initially disliked by critics but are now considered brilliant?
I can't really say much definitively concerning the subject, and although I'm not a fan of them (I don't dislike them, I just don't care to actively listen to them much), their early work would have been easy target for criticism (justifiably so), but their later work had to have been well received. As much as I am largely ambivalent about the band, their later work was objectively good.
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What music do you think people would have written had the beatles not existed?
Edit:Actually that last question was rhetorical.
How was that a rhetorical question? Do you want me to answer it or not, or do you think I can't answer it without weakening my argument?
I would be interested in hearing people's thoughts on this. Personally I think the guitar would have been far less prevalent, there would still have been guitar music, but it wouldn't have had quite the market share of music that it has enjoyed.
Fafnir wrote:the 80s as a decade in general
People often have a go at the 80s but the decade produced some excellent music. The Smiths, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, REM, Jesus and Mary Chain, Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine. It could be argued that no decade since has produced quite that number of great bands.
It'll be interesting, down the line, to see what music from this era we carry over as our 'classics.'
Radiohead and Aphex Twin will go down in history as greats.
People often have a go at the 80s but the decade produced some excellent music. The Smiths, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, REM, Jesus and Mary Chain, Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine. It could be argued that no decade since has produced quite that number of great bands.
There certainly was a lot of great music that came out of the 80s. And a lot (holy gak, a lot) that was just awful as well.
dæl wrote: People often have a go at the 80s but the decade produced some excellent music. The Smiths, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, REM, Jesus and Mary Chain, Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine. It could be argued that no decade since has produced quite that number of great bands
I could easily find tons of great bands from the 60's and 70's that being said there's still some great stuff that came out the 80's, but probably most music from any decade is mediocre or worst with a few innovators popping up once in awhile.
dæl wrote: People often have a go at the 80s but the decade produced some excellent music. The Smiths, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, REM, Jesus and Mary Chain, Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine. It could be argued that no decade since has produced quite that number of great bands
I could easily find tons of great bands from the 60's and 70's that being said there's still some great stuff that came out the 80's, but probably most music from any decade is mediocre or worst with a few innovators popping up once in awhile.
Could you find tons of great bands post millennium though? There really doesn't seem that many, although I may just be getting old.
dæl wrote: People often have a go at the 80s but the decade produced some excellent music. The Smiths, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, REM, Jesus and Mary Chain, Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine. It could be argued that no decade since has produced quite that number of great bands
I could easily find tons of great bands from the 60's and 70's that being said there's still some great stuff that came out the 80's, but probably most music from any decade is mediocre or worst with a few innovators popping up once in awhile.
Could you find tons of great bands post millennium though? There really doesn't seem that many, although I may just be getting old.
I remember when Albatross introduced me to Interpol's "Turn on the Bright Lights" and I enjoyed that at the time but other than that I can't think of really anything post-2000 that I really like (oh, I had lots of fun with Queens of the Stone Age's "Songs for the Deaf" as well) mind you I haven't
really been looking as I'm sure there's some good stuff out there.
dæl wrote: People often have a go at the 80s but the decade produced some excellent music. The Smiths, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, REM, Jesus and Mary Chain, Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine. It could be argued that no decade since has produced quite that number of great bands
I could easily find tons of great bands from the 60's and 70's that being said there's still some great stuff that came out the 80's, but probably most music from any decade is mediocre or worst with a few innovators popping up once in awhile.
Could you find tons of great bands post millennium though? There really doesn't seem that many, although I may just be getting old.
I think the latter is probably true - it's certainly not a bad thing or anything, I just think that most people tend to think of music from a certain era to be the "greatest" for them at least.
I would argue that Coldplay pre Mylo Xyoto counts as a great post millennium band. Incredibly mainstream, but still great if a bit overrated at times. Most of 00's bands I consider "great" are probably just personal preference, and I'm sure it's the same with most of the other posters in this thread. However, I will say that Thursday and Finch were probably the best post hardcore bands of the time, specifically Full Collapse and What It Is To Burn respectively. A lot of people have a thing against emo and genres related to it, but if you like it, Full Collapse, What It Is To Burn, and From Under the Cork Tree are basically the best you'll get post 2000. Unless you want to argue for some really obscure band (even within it's genre), which I never like doing.
For those who like pop-punk though, check out Man Overboard - fairly new band that's been doing some great things.
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