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**blood reaper**

It's better than most sites.

Also, that thread was trash, plain and simple.

**Albatross**

I'm pretty happy with the moderation on this site, with the exception of mattyrm still inexplicably being banned (sorry, 'baned') from the OT Forum.

End the ban now. You know it makes sense.

**Mr. Burning**

The only thing worse than being touched by inappropriately touchy posters is being gang baned by the mods.

Allegedly.

**timetowaste85**

LoneLictor wrote:
That thread got locked because the responses were all stupid. If I were a mod, I would've locked it too. Maybe it didn't break any one specific rule, but it still deserved locking.

In my opinion its just that the newer a user is, the less they can get away with. You only have three hundred posts, so odds are you can't get away with much. But the older users (usually guys with over 5 or 6k posts) can get away with a lot because everyone is used to it. Its just routine. Frazzled is almost always offtopic, but the mods let him get away with it because he's just so affable. And if I was a mod, I'd let him get away with it too. I know better than to boss the King of the Weinerdogs around.

The fact that Frazzled used to be a MOD also helps with him get away with it.

And to the OP...WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE'RE ALL TOO TOUCHY?! COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND I'LL BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND AND PEE-PEE ON THE ASHES (One internet to whoever caught the reference). Nah, we're not too touchy at all, our medications are just all wearing off at the same time.

**Flashman**

The internet itself is a touchy place because it brings together people with polar opposite views who wouldn't normally meet and/or express those views to each other in public.

However, I maintain its incredibly easy to just walk away when you're on the internet, usually with a polite...

"Sir, I do not think we are going to find common ground here. I tip my hat and bid you a good day."

EDIT - Nuts, what a waste of my 6000th post

**MeanGreenStompa**

Flashman wrote:

EDIT - Nuts, what a waste of my 6000th post

N00b!!!!!1!!!one!!

**SagesStone**

timetowaste85 wrote:
And to the OP...WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE'RE ALL TOO TOUCHY?! COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND I'LL BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND AND PEE-PEE ON THE ASHES (One internet to whoever caught the reference).

Gbaby, you ABSOLUTE PILE OF MONKEY GAK EFNHWDEFJKHQDBQWDKQWDN. Such a nice fellow.

**Stormfather**

I think Dakka's mods are pretty fair, compared to a few other forums I post on- I'm sure we've all been on sites where you get Warned for disagreeing with a mod over the cost-benefit of an Autocannon, or where you post something relevant in thread that fell silent for three days and then it gets locked for necromancy. Or make a post that is anything other than lauding praise on the company's product, and it mysteriously disappears. None of that silliness here, for the most part.

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Grey Templar wrote:
no, he doesn't want you to get Banned. He wants you to get Baned, which is infinitly more awsome.

Attached: The process of a flame-war starter getting Baned.

Anyway, on topic now. Honestly, I'd have to say that things seem to be a little better here than I recall them being when I first joined.
For one thing, the political threads I've seen recently haven't been the verbal knife-fights I was expecting (and usually that's how things tend to go when politics is brought into the mix) so there's that.
Basically, I'm happy with things as they are.

**p_gray99**

I think that the mods here are reasonably relaxed, but it works because so are the majority of posters. If most of the posts were similar to those you find in youtube comments, then I'd expect the mods to be far harsher.

**ExNoctemNacimur**

Nah, it's all good here. Deserving threads get locked, mods are fast reacting and there's a friendly atmosphere here (unless it gets really heated in the OT place).

Well, I haven't been baned yet, so it's all good.

**Zinderneuf**

Zinderneuf wrote:
I started a topic back on April Fools Day that got lambasted and then locked by the mods. People didn't like my sense of humor. Okay, I get that. I don't agree, but I get it.

But recently this

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/519722.page

got locked, because a fight started on it.

Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong.

I seem to see the forum growing increasingly touchy and nit picky recently. Why so? Or am I just crazy?

Maybe this cam across wrong. I am not complaining about the mods, I am asking why so many fights seem to be starting on utterly innocuous topics.

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Avatar 720 wrote:
Zinderneuf wrote:
I started a topic back on April Fools Day that got lambasted and then locked by the mods. People didn't like my sense of humor. Okay, I get that. I don't agree, but I get it.

But recently this

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/519722.page

got locked, because a fight started on it.

Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong.

I seem to see the forum growing increasingly touchy and nit picky recently. Why so? Or am I just crazy?

There is a gap of almost 2 hours between the thread lock and this post, so I'm forced to ask: did you actually witness the degeneration, or simply come back to find it locked? If it was the latter, then given the gap between the last (exlc. Janthkin's) post on it and the lock post, I'd say there might've been something you missed which would yield the answer.

I also disgaree with your statement about there being no reason, mainly because the thread you linked proves otherwise, but also because of posts like the third one after yours. Religion is a massively touchy subject in life and on the internet, and to a lot of trolls or just people with strong opinions they are like beacons. Many threads all over internet forums have managed to collapse in on themselves due to people fighting over religion for no reason other than someone deciding to take a shot at someone else.

That is one good reason why any thread could start a fight, and there are bound to be more, like two strongly-opinionated people butting heads over something, or simply for e-peen.

Anyway, to answer your question, Dakka hasn't seemed any more or less touchy since I joined. There are times when things heat up (usually around weekends, school holidays, and public holidays for any reason from there simply being more people around to people already being pissed off because ABC happened when they were trying to do XYZ on one of their rare days off) and there are times when they cool down, but most of the time it's pretty stable in most areas of the forum. N&R can get heated for obvious reasons, and the same with both YMDC forums, background forums, and OT, but really it's not nearly as common as people seem to think.

Well, the whole idea of 'threads' is that you can go do other things, and come back later and follow the chain of events? Are you saying that if I sat there staring at the screen for three hours, I might have seen something that I otherwise missed?

Also, sorry, but I don't buy your argument. Talking about history automatically leads to taklking about religion, autmatically leads to fighting about religion? If that's your standard chain of thought, I'd recommend you become a monk and take a vow of silence, as you won't be able to talk about much without fighting. In any case, the 40K background is a fictional future history that relates to our real past history. Therefore, we should never be allowed to talk about any of it, lest we start a fight over religion.

Lastly, I've seen, and started, threads that involved religion fairly heavily that were perfectly polite. But that was awhile back, I guess. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/431989.page

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blood reaper wrote:
It's better than most sites.

Also, that thread was trash, plain and simple.

Why was that thread trash? I love speculative stuff, that might lead to ideas for gaming or just additional information about the background? Why else read 40K fiction?

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timetowaste85 wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
That thread got locked because the responses were all stupid. If I were a mod, I would've locked it too. Maybe it didn't break any one specific rule, but it still deserved locking.

In my opinion its just that the newer a user is, the less they can get away with. You only have three hundred posts, so odds are you can't get away with much. But the older users (usually guys with over 5 or 6k posts) can get away with a lot because everyone is used to it. Its just routine. Frazzled is almost always offtopic, but the mods let him get away with it because he's just so affable. And if I was a mod, I'd let him get away with it too. I know better than to boss the King of the Weinerdogs around.

The fact that Frazzled used to be a MOD also helps with him get away with it.

And to the OP...WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE'RE ALL TOO TOUCHY?! COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND I'LL BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND AND PEE-PEE ON THE ASHES (One internet to whoever caught the reference). Nah, we're not too touchy at all, our medications are just all wearing off at the same time.

Ah. Now that explains things.

**Dreadclaw69**

Honestly as a relative newbie user to this site, but one who moderated another site, I don't have any real complaints about the moderators on Dakka thus far.

From what I've seen the give use plenty of latitude at times, but rightly shut down threads when they are duplicates/spam/arguments etc. As well as that they don't just lurk, they are active participants who don't feel the need to issue warnings to people just because they have differing opinions.

**Albatross**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Honestly as a relative newbie user to this site, but one who moderated another site, I don't have any real complaints about the moderators on Dakka thus far.

From what I've seen the give use plenty of latitude at times, but rightly shut down threads when they are duplicates/spam/arguments etc. As well as that they don't just lurk, they are active participants who don't feel the need to issue warnings to people just because they have differing opinions.

For the most part, yes.

**Mr. Burning**

In any case, the 40K background is a fictional future history that relates to our real past history. Therefore, we should never be allowed to talk about any of it, lest we start a fight over religion.

I think the Big E would be pro choice, but his interment on the golden throne has seen his views corrupted. Seeing as he was Jesus and all.

**strybjorn Grimskull**

I disagree that Dakka is to touchy.
Infact they are pretty good

The only problem i have seen is that "Don't spam the forum" doesn't really tell the person or others wondering why it was baned why it was baned rather than for "Spam".

Dakka is by far the best forum site i have ever been on.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Anyway, on topic now. Honestly, I'd have to say that things seem to be a little better here than I recall them being when I first joined.
For one thing, the political threads I've seen recently haven't been the verbal knife-fights I was expecting (and usually that's how things tend to go when politics is brought into the mix) so there's that.
Basically, I'm happy with things as they are.

Well, OT did calm down quite abit once mattyrm was asked to never post in there :( which I find quite sad, because he always had some of the best responses.

edit: Which probably didn't help anyone in the touchyness department

**Ma55ter_fett**

I've spent far more time on dakka than any other forum and I plan to continue on doing so.

I've found the vast majority of users to be wonderfull people and the few times I've recived mod warnings were for things that in hidsight I shouldn't have posted.

All in all a pretty great crowd.

**Avatar 720**

Well, the whole idea of 'threads' is that you can go do other things, and come back later and follow the chain of events? Are you saying that if I sat there staring at the screen for three hours, I might have seen something that I otherwise missed?

That's a rather extreme way of putting it, but essentially yes, if you follow a thread in a busy forum by checking back every few minutes as opposed to every few hours then you are bound to catch more.

Also, sorry, but I don't buy your argument. Talking about history automatically leads to taklking about religion, autmatically leads to fighting about religion? If that's your standard chain of thought, I'd recommend you become a monk and take a vow of silence, as you won't be able to talk about much without fighting. In any case, the 40K background is a fictional future history that relates to our real past history. Therefore, we should never be allowed to talk about any of it, lest we start a fight over religion.

I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.

There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly. Dakka allows discussions about these topics, but those few threads that crop up are often under closer watch and scrutiny, and often have to be heavily moderated (anything from repeated warnings to post deletion, locking or even bans) because of how quickly and how violently polite discussion collapses into anarchic arguments full of thinly-veiled insults, snarky posts, and flame-bait.

That is not to say that every thread becomes this, but merely to showcase what can, and does happen if hotter topics are injected. Whether or not you 'buy' it is immaterial, the fact is that religion is a topic capable of taking down threads, regardless of what the original topic was; a thread made around the entire concept of religion or politics serves only to speed up its demise.

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Anyway, on topic now. Honestly, I'd have to say that things seem to be a little better here than I recall them being when I first joined.
For one thing, the political threads I've seen recently haven't been the verbal knife-fights I was expecting (and usually that's how things tend to go when politics is brought into the mix) so there's that.
Basically, I'm happy with things as they are.

Well, OT did calm down quite abit once mattyrm was asked to never post in there :( which I find quite sad, because he always had some of the best responses.

edit: Which probably didn't help anyone in the touchyness department

I did wonder where he'd gone, actually. I remember some of his, ahem, arguments and the reactions they got. I'll give you that they were entertaining, in a sense.
Still, guess that's that mystery solved.

**Zinderneuf**

Avatar 720 wrote:
I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.

There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly.

Dude, to put it somewhat more bluntly, I did not start a thread about religion.

But even if I had, remember that the 40K background INCLUDES a large segment on religion, if the emperor was Jesus, etc. Thus, it would have been fair game. Anyone who can't write politely on the subject should stay off of it, not unload a pile of steaming drek and then say, "Now look what you made me do!" That's bull. The subject of a polite discussion does not invite flamewars. That is a function of the maturity of the participants.

Remember again, I am NOT upset with the mods here, but with members who are itching for a fight.

**Avatar 720**

Zinderneuf wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:
I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.

There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly.

Dude, to put it somewhat more bluntly, I did not start a thread about religion.

I never said you did.

You said "Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong." and so I used religion as an example to counter that statement, and to state that, regardless of the original content, any thread could devolve into an argument over even an innocent injection of any hot subject into it.

I don't know where the idea the religion does = an argument, or the idea that you posted about religion to start with, came from.

**Kilkrazy**

A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.

We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.

We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.

**LoneLictor**

Kilkrazy wrote:
A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.

We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.

We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.

I don't need help from some newfangled machine. As I matter of a fact, I cry just by reading thread titles, all by myself, without any help from Legoburner. Last week, after seeing the hundred millionth thread about who would win in a fight between the Primarchs, I cried under I ran out of tears and ended up just making weird snuffling noises!

**generalgrog**

For the most part people that get baned....on dakka deserve to get baned.

I have seen trolls last for quite a lot longer than I would have tolerated, but then it's like all of sudden they stop posting.

GG

**Monster Rain**

Albatross wrote:
I'm pretty happy with the moderation on this site, with the exception of mattyrm still inexplicably being banned (sorry, 'baned') from the OT Forum.

End the ban now. You know it makes sense.

I couldn't agree more.

At this point it really seems petty, IMHO.

**Zinderneuf**

Avatar 720 wrote:
Zinderneuf wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:
I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.

There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly.

Dude, to put it somewhat more bluntly, I did not start a thread about religion.

I never said you did.

You said "Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong."

And I stand by that statement. I have had many religious discussions with friends of wildly different faiths, and many political discussions with friends of wildly different points of view, which started, stayed, and ended polite and friendly. I have -previously, as the older thread I linked to shows- done the same here. It only seems TO ME that recently, dakka (the members, not the mods) are starting to pick fights.

Even earlier in this thread, where some guy states "...that thread was trash, plain and simple. " How does that contribute to the discussion? There were people enjoying that thread who contributed to it before the flaming began, and they seemed to think it was okay. Many of them were making jocular comments, but some were not. How does throwing in "...that thread was trash, plain and simple. " do anything but throw ants on the picnic?

We seem to be talking around each other here.

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Kilkrazy wrote:
A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.

We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.

We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.

We can only hope.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Kilkrazy wrote:
A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.

There's another 40k forum that I used to moderate for that actually had the "skip to unread" function, however it was a minimum 6 months after Dakka had it... so I guess that Legoburner is a trendsetter

**Avatar 720**

And I stand by that statement.

Except that it's incorrect, and I proved one way in which it is so by giving the example of how religion can derail threads and spark arguments. Your personal experience doesn't mean that suddenly religion is no longer a contentious topic.

Would you have preferred it if I said politics instead? There's plenty of animosity to go around the internet when it comes to politics. Or how about someone saying someone else's idea was crap, and sparking a flame war? That's a common enough occurrence.

There are myriad ways that a thread can devolve into arguments regardless of topic; to think otherwise is incredibly naive.

**generalgrog**

Monster Rain wrote:
Albatross wrote:
I'm pretty happy with the moderation on this site, with the exception of mattyrm still inexplicably being banned (sorry, 'baned') from the OT Forum.

End the ban now. You know it makes sense.

I couldn't agree more.

At this point it really seems petty, IMHO.

I find this post rather Ironic!!

GG