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Hi Dakka, I had a few question yesterday about ATSKNF. Here they are

1. Unnamed chapter master is attached to a sternguard veteran unit. After some shooting, the unit fails its leadership test and moves 9" toward the board edge. SM player turn the unit automatically regroups. Now the SM wanted to shoot the orbital barrage. He first regrouped and we started to have questions. The chapter master must remain stationary in order to use ordnance weapons and regroping states that it can move up to 3". Howevere regrouping also states that the unit is considered to have moved and fires snap shots. ATSKNF states that the unit can shoot normally.
He decided not to consolidate and claimed that he can shoot normally, and proceded to shoot an ordinance weapon. In my opininion shooting normally meant not to snap shot, but the unit was still considered to have moved as it just regrouped. Who was right and why?

2. I'm not sure we play sweeping advances against ATSKNF. Tactical squad fails morale check. Rules state it must fall back 2D6" and my friend rolls (let's say 9"). He procedes to move his toy soldier 9" toward the board edge. I can now elect to make a sweeping advance and I do, winning the roll. Now ATSKNF says that those units are locked in combat. What does this mean? We played that my unit actually chased his and I moved 9" but this felt not right to me.

Thank you for your time.

I don't know for 1 but for 2: You roll first for sweeping advance and only fall back after that if the sweeping advance fails. So if he passes his sweeping advance the combat continues and no one moves (except for pile in moves).

Eldarcannon wrote:
1. Unnamed chapter master is attached to a sternguard veteran unit. After some shooting, the unit fails its leadership test and moves 9" toward the board edge. SM player turn the unit automatically regroups. Now the SM wanted to shoot the orbital barrage. He first regrouped and we started to have questions. The chapter master must remain stationary in order to use ordnance weapons and regroping states that it can move up to 3". Howevere regrouping also states that the unit is considered to have moved and fires snap shots. ATSKNF states that the unit can shoot normally.
He decided not to consolidate and claimed that he can shoot normally, and proceded to shoot an ordinance weapon. In my opininion shooting normally meant not to snap shot, but the unit was still considered to have moved as it just regrouped. Who was right and why?
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In order for the CM to fire the OB, he cannot have moved period. It is not enough to count as staying stationary. If he moved (or counts as having moved) then the OB cannot be fired at all.

Esparoba3 wrote:I don't know for 1 but for 2: You roll first for sweeping advance and only fall back after that if the sweeping advance fails. So if he passes his sweeping advance the combat continues and no one moves (except for pile in moves).

This seems the most logical way to play that but BRB says:"When a unit falls back from combat, the victors make a Sweeping Advance". RAW i sweep after morale check and fall back. Or not?

Happyjew wrote:In order for the CM to fire the OB, he cannot have moved period. It is not enough to count as staying stationary. If he moved (or counts as having moved) then the OB cannot be fired at all.

He did not move physically as he decided not to have 3" consolidate move. The cm started movement phase and shooting phase in the same place. He moved by the rules as stated under regrouping. Just to make sure I was clear.

EldarCannon- sweeping advance is performed BEFORE YOU FALL BACK.

You lose combat
Roll sweeping advance -> if caught, the unit is destroyed, or if SM is locked in combat
If they escape, THEN they roll fall back, and you roll consolidation.

Sweeping Advance is an Iniative based roll that determines if you need to see how far they go. Sometimes you don't.

Once a unit regroups it counts as having moved.

A space marine can regroup and then move normally.

There is no permission to ignore the counts as having moved he is just allowed to move normally after it so he cannot shoot the orbital bombardment whether he moves in the movement phase or not.

nosferatu1001 wrote:EldarCannon- sweeping advance is performed BEFORE YOU FALL BACK.

You lose combat
Roll sweeping advance -> if caught, the unit is destroyed, or if SM is locked in combat
If they escape, THEN they roll fall back, and you roll consolidation.

I can see your point on page 26 "If the falling back unit's total is higher, they break off from the combat successfully. Make a Fall Back move for the losing unit"
Now I can see where my confusion came from. A falling back unit is not a unit that performed a Fall Back movement. It is a unit that lost combat and failed a morale check and will (maybe) make a Fall Back movement.
Thank you all on this one, this is clear now.

spongemonkee wrote:Once a unit regroups it counts as having moved.

A space marine can regroup and then move normally.

It can move normally, indeed. The rules procedes with stating that he can also "shoot (or Run) and declare charges normally".
What does "normally" mean?

Normally in this case would indicate that the model is not snap firing.

Could the model normally use its ordinance weapon if it counted as moving? If yes then it could be fired, If no then it cannot be fired.

Eldarcannon wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:EldarCannon- sweeping advance is performed BEFORE YOU FALL BACK.

You lose combat
Roll sweeping advance -> if caught, the unit is destroyed, or if SM is locked in combat
If they escape, THEN they roll fall back, and you roll consolidation.

I can see your point on page 26 "If the falling back unit's total is higher, they break off from the combat successfully. Make a Fall Back move for the losing unit"
Now I can see where my confusion came from. A falling back unit is not a unit that performed a Fall Back movement. It is a unit that lost combat and failed a morale check and will (maybe) make a Fall Back movement.
Thank you all on this one, this is clear now.

spongemonkee wrote:Once a unit regroups it counts as having moved.

A space marine can regroup and then move normally.

It can move normally, indeed. The rules procedes with stating that he can also "shoot (or Run) and declare charges normally".
What does "normally" mean?

Normally means they can shoot without any further restrictions, they can shoot how they NORMALLY shoot when they have moved. It does not mean they may magically ignore any restrictions normally imposed on shooting.

spongemonkee wrote:
Once a unit regroups it counts as having moved.

A space marine can regroup and then move normally.

There is no permission to ignore the counts as having moved he is just allowed to move normally after it so he cannot shoot the orbital bombardment whether he moves in the movement phase or not.

This.

Last edition, ATSKNF meant that Marines didn't automatically count as moving when they regrouped. So if you didn't use your 3" regroup movement or make a normal move, they would count as stationary.

The 6th ed version of ATSKNF removed this clause. They count as moving now just like everyone else... they just get to make extra movement.

Thank you all for answering, it's completely clear now.