Easy E wrote:
So, a .22 sounds good, especially since I am not use to shooting at all. Once I'm use to it and have some knowledge/skill I can move up if I like it.

Thanks guys.

 wowsmash wrote:
I support teachers being able to carry to defend our kids. Not all schools have scrutiny guards so who else is there to defend the kids if not the teachers. And depending on your location police response time might not be favorable. If a teacher can stop or limit the casualties from these nut jobs I'm for it.

 djones520 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So, a .22 sounds good, especially since I am not use to shooting at all. Once I'm use to it and have some knowledge/skill I can move up if I like it.

Thanks guys.

I would still suggest finding a friend whose knowleadable to teach you, or finding a shooter/hunter safety course as well. You can never be to safe with them.

 Easy E wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So, a .22 sounds good, especially since I am not use to shooting at all. Once I'm use to it and have some knowledge/skill I can move up if I like it.

Thanks guys.

I would still suggest finding a friend whose knowleadable to teach you, or finding a shooter/hunter safety course as well. You can never be to safe with them.

Oh yeah. I figured some noob like me would clearly benefit from a course. Thanks.

Is there some sor tof certification or other thing I should look for from a trainer/weapon educator?

 Frazzled wrote:
Incorrect. I need no licensing to buy a car.

 Seaward wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Incorrect. I need no licensing to buy a car.

You don't need a license to own a gun, either.

 djones520 wrote:
Eh... one could argue that my FOID Card is one. And more then a few states do require permits before you can get guns.

 Seaward wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Eh... one could argue that my FOID Card is one. And more then a few states do require permits before you can get guns.

Yeah, but they're not real states. They're half Canadian or something.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Or there's just no one in Canada, which I find far more likely.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/us/missouri-school-trains-teachers-to-carry-guns.html?hp&_r=0

After the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown that killed 26 people, administrators at Fairview said some parents approached them about allowing teachers to carry guns. Becky Wright-Welty, whose 13-year-old son attends the school, said she asked the Fairview School District’s board members: “What are we doing about security? I want to know.”

One of the biggest concerns of administrators and parents was that the quickest the sheriff’s department could reach Fairview, the district’s only school, would be nine minutes.

The school board, which includes a former county sheriff, worked out the details of liability coverage with Fairview’s insurance provider. Then, at an open meeting in late February, it authorized some of the school employees to undergo a training program that would certify them to carry guns on campus.

Those employees took a 40-hour course during spring break last month through a company called Shield Solutions, whose instructors included local SWAT team members. The training, which was paid for by the school, included firearms and situational drills. The employees, who have furnished their own guns, each also had to pass a background check, a drug test and a mental evaluation — all of which must be repeated annually, as well as additional firearms training and recertification.

“It’s not a ‘Well, here’s your gun; carry it,’ ” said Vic Williams, the Fairview superintendent. “It’s very closely monitored. It’s not a Clint Eastwood-type deal.”

At the first school board meeting after spring break, the board sanctioned those who had passed the training — and were then also considered Shield Solutions employees — to carry weapons at school. Most of West Plains learned the news from the front-page article in The Quill on March 21. Four days later, the district sent a letter to parents addressing concerns.

“I was really upset more about the way it happened, the back door,” said Eileen Wilson, 53, adding that she was considering removing her daughter, who is autistic, from Fairview. “I just don’t think something of this magnitude is something you just put out in a press release. ‘Oh, by the way, we got 10 people packing weapons now in school.’ ”

Interesting, I guess the guys who said "we should allow the teachers to conceal carry" finally get to put their money where their mouth is.

Only things that I don't like about the article is that they seem to go really out of their way to make it look like these people are a bunch of hicks. I'm not sure if that was intentionally meant to be a "Look at these stupid hicks" kind of thing, or if they were just trying to say "out there, this is normal." I'll let you guys decide on that.

The one thing that bugs me the most though is that according to the article this was done behind "closed doors". If this is true, then I'd be pretty upset, even though I would be all for this kind of thing. Something that big you don't just drop on peoples' heads after it's already passed, as you risk angering people who might have supported it or remained ambivalent otherwise. At least say "hey parents, we're thinking about letting the teachers conceal carry, we'll be voting on it next month."

So yeah, what do you think Dakka? We already trust these people with our children's lives 8 hours a day, 5 days a week (sometimes more). If they weren't going nuts and stabbing them in the face with pencils, I don't think the average teacher is going to go on a rampage just because he conceal carrys a pistol. Especially if they go through the kind of thing like these teachers did, with a background check, mental test, and drug testing, as well as yearly requalification, which is much more strict than what your average CCL holder goes through. What I wonder though is if this would actually intimidate most school shootings from happening, or if they'd keep happening even if every school adopted this policy. And if a student did try to shoot up a school with this policy, would the teacher be able to take that kid's life in order to protect the rest of the class? Because even if the teacher was in the right and that kid was dual wielding M60's, you know there'd be a media gakstorm the like of which we've never seen.

 Kain wrote:

According to my understanding of America, Missouri is kind of like a third world nation in overall development and has some of the most uneducated people in the entire country as well as an astronomical crime rate and imbibes a massive amount of alcohol. So I'm going to lean towards this ending in disaster sooner than later.

 whembly wrote:

 Kain wrote:

According to my understanding of America, Missouri is kind of like a third world nation in overall development and has some of the most uneducated people in the entire country as well as an astronomical crime rate and imbibes a massive amount of alcohol. So I'm going to lean towards this ending in disaster sooner than later.

*looks at Kain's flag*

Really?!?!? Did you just go there?

The ignorance...

 Cheesecat wrote:
Still what do you mean by the comparison to a neutral country that was not aligned to the Communist Bloc or NATO? What the feth does that mean and what am I supposed to take for that?

 Kain wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Kain wrote:

According to my understanding of America, Missouri is kind of like a third world nation in overall development and has some of the most uneducated people in the entire country as well as an astronomical crime rate and imbibes a massive amount of alcohol. So I'm going to lean towards this ending in disaster sooner than later.

*looks at Kain's flag*

Really?!?!? Did you just go there?

The ignorance...

I'm well aware that SA is something of a craphole. I mean, even in Capetown which is relatively nice, the nicest thing we can be compared to is New Orleans.

I much preferred my home town of Moscow when I visited it (I stayed for all of three years before moving out because my parents thought that Yelstin seizing power from what they saw as the legitimate authority of Russia as a travesty), and my adopted city of Richmond VA.

I'm pretty sure SA as a whole makes Missouri look like Tokyo HDI wise.

 whembly wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Kain wrote:

According to my understanding of America, Missouri is kind of like a third world nation in overall development and has some of the most uneducated people in the entire country as well as an astronomical crime rate and imbibes a massive amount of alcohol. So I'm going to lean towards this ending in disaster sooner than later.

*looks at Kain's flag*

Really?!?!? Did you just go there?

The ignorance...

I'm well aware that SA is something of a craphole. I mean, even in Capetown which is relatively nice, the nicest thing we can be compared to is New Orleans.

I much preferred my home town of Moscow when I visited it (I stayed for all of three years before moving out because my parents thought that Yelstin seizing power from what they saw as the legitimate authority of Russia as a travesty), and my adopted city of Richmond VA.

I'm pretty sure SA as a whole makes Missouri look like Tokyo HDI wise.

I assure you that Missouri is an awesome state...

Please... allow me to educate you... what do you want to know?

 Kain wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
Still what do you mean by the comparison to a neutral country that was not aligned to the Communist Bloc or NATO? What the feth does that mean and what am I supposed to take for that?

Ah the cold war definition of third world. Well played, although I don't think many people still use the definition that would put Sweden and Mali in the same category.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
Still what do you mean by the comparison to a neutral country that was not aligned to the Communist Bloc or NATO? What the feth does that mean and what am I supposed to take for that?

Ah the cold war definition of third world. Well played, although I don't think many people still use the definition that would put Sweden and Mali in the same category.

Dude you're using terminology that hasn't been relevant for over 20 years how does the word "3d world" mean anything in the context you used it?

 Kain wrote:

Well, the people in Virginia seem to paint you as underevolved pond scum. But they seem to hold that attitude to anyone who's more southern than they are. It seems that the entire state desperately wants to avoid being seen as Southern. Heaven forbid that people associate Virginia with the Carolinas or Lousiana.

I'm assuming that like many areas that aren't quite as evenly developed as say New York or Sweden that while the countryside may be a bit dodgy, the cities themselves are quite modern and up to date?

 Kain wrote:

I was unaware that most foreign policy analysts were wrong and that the terms third and first world died with the cold war. And I think the context I put it in was clear, Missouri from what I've been told has a developmental level more akin to nations like South Africa or Egypt than to say California or Parisian France. I'd be glad to be wrong though, because the stereotypes passed around about the rest of the south in Virginia seemed to be horrendously unfair and somewhat racist.

 whembly wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Well, the people in Virginia seem to paint you as underevolved pond scum. But they seem to hold that attitude to anyone who's more southern than they are. It seems that the entire state desperately wants to avoid being seen as Southern. Heaven forbid that people associate Virginia with the Carolinas or Lousiana.

I'm assuming that like many areas that aren't quite as evenly developed as say New York or Sweden that while the countryside may be a bit dodgy, the cities themselves are quite modern and up to date?

Before making such blanket statements... I'd advise you to educate yourself.

MO's fortune 500 companies: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2012/states/MO.html

MO's highschool ranking: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/missouri (mine is #1 GO METRO! )

MO's cost of living: http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of_living/state/missouri

Some attractions...

There's no 3rd world living here... o.O

If you have specific questions, please let me know.



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 Kain wrote:

I was unaware that most foreign policy analysts were wrong and that the terms third and first world died with the cold war. And I think the context I put it in was clear, Missouri from what I've been told has a developmental level more akin to nations like South Africa or Egypt than to say California or Parisian France. I'd be glad to be wrong though, because the stereotypes passed around about the rest of the south in Virginia seemed to be horrendously unfair and somewhat racist.

o.O

I've been to California as my dad's side is all over California...

I've been to Paris, France...

Missouri holds up well dude...

The stereotypes are waaaaaaay off... but, that's okay... it'll be our secret!

 Kain wrote:


Why does Virginia hate your state and pretty much anyone else who was part of the Confederacy so much? Seems kind of hypocritical given that they were the nucleus of what they seem to hate so much for quite a while.