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Albatross wrote:

 shrike wrote:
I'm not judgemental at all, and I'm not making myself out to be anything, and there seems to be nothing I can say to convince you I'm not.

To be fair, you're not exactly trying very hard...

Pre-emptive attempt to stop it there

"oh, you whine about a kid not knowing stuff? you must be a hypocrite!"
*shows I'm not a hypocrite*

My point was that the kid probably knows a lot more about the type of music he enjoys than you do. He's probably alright with that. Why aren't you?

I said- it's not about what type of music he enjoys or what he knows about, it's about how oblivious he is of everything else.

"... well, you seem judgemental!"

How would me being annoyed at a kid for not knowing music be judgemental, anyway?

Because a) You told him to turn that 'rap crap' off, and b) You seem to think that he should listen to a particular type of music that you approve of.

He has his right to listen to whatever crap he wants, and I have my right to think that it's crap, and to listen to whatever crap I want- him blasting his out in public was what I had a problem with, not him generally playing it- he even had earphones on him.
Plus, calling it crap isn't judgemental, and neither is thinking he should listen to different music (which I don't).

I care because when I see a sheltered white suburban kid going around in a snapback blasting hip-hop and being utterly oblivious about entire main genres of music, and that makes me lose faith in humanity.

What does his colour have to do with anything? Are white kids not allowed to enjoy hip-hop, like?

It's just a description of him- I'm not, by any means, saying white kids shouldn't listen to rap- it's just, like I said, when I see such a sheltered person swaggering around acting like he's, as he said, "in the hood", it saddens me, just like it would if I saw a kid from a similar background moping around with hair over their eyes muttering about "all the gak" they go through.

can we drop the rap kid thing now?

So, new pet hate:
- off-topic arguments

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I would like to point out, Albatross, that Shrike thinks he wasn't being judgemental.

Fo reelz.

Oh, word?


My bad, yo. Cowabunga. Or something.

I had to look up "Fo reelz" you know.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Ahem...

Behold:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_La_Soul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_Called_Quest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrested_Development_(group)

No OPP?

People who try to get me to eat things that I don't like.
People who get offended when I don't like what they like.

I hate tomatoes. I do not need to try them again just to 'make sure'
They are devil fruit.
The same goes for cucumber. I don't like it.
I can tell when it's been in a sandwich because it is now a damp sandwich. There is no point in picking it off - its already tainted beyond the point of consumption.

Didn't realize this was gaming themed, haha.

I hate people not locking in while playing League of Legends.

Tell me more about Costco.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I'm not against white kids listening to rap I have more a problem with white kids tying to dress and act gangsta unless they're from the ghetto or a similar type of environment, because what little I know about the rap community is that authenticity is important.

Thanks for the laugh, quite a few of the most influential guys atm (producing, writing ,peforming ect) are not from the ghetto, in fact they are middle class, but they realised that people are happy to buy "gangsta' bs so they go where the money is, and we all know rap atm seems to be all about the money.

 reiner wrote:
Didn't realize this was gaming themed, haha.

I hate people not locking in while playing League of Legends.

and I hate the people on league of legends. If the damn players care so much what I pick, they can stick to their $#%@$@% premade teams and ranked games. ITS A %$#! GAME!

PredaKhaine wrote:People who try to get me to eat things that I don't like.

I hate tomatoes. I do not need to try them again just to 'make sure'

this
"try this!"
"I have, I don't like it."
"go on, just a taste!"
"I. don't. like. it."
"oh, go on!"
*bite* "you happy now? It's horrible."
"just making sure."
what, you think I was lying?

Experiment 626 wrote:

Oh, and I hate male gamers who tell me to play Blood Angels becuase their Red Thirst rule is themed to my biology...

You do know that under Feudal common law, its perfectly acceptable to punch them right in the face for that right?


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 kronk wrote:

Life-in-general: screaming babies in restaurants. Look, I came to Pizza Hutt to treat my woman to a damn fine meal for our 15th anniversary! I didn't put on my blue jeans without holes and/or stains and my one polo shirt that doesn't have my name on it just so I can listen to your kid scream!

That....was...epic.


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 MrDwhitey wrote:
I'm just against white kids. They don't need to like rap or anything.

I'm against children as a matter of policy myself.


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 shrike wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:People who try to get me to eat things that I don't like.

I hate tomatoes. I do not need to try them again just to 'make sure'

this
"try this!"
"I have, I don't like it."
"go on, just a taste!"
"I. don't. like. it."
"oh, go on!"
*bite* "you happy now? It's horrible."
"just making sure."
what, you think I was lying?

-You should try this
-no
-Its really good
-shush wife
-you can't shush me
-I know
-I'm unshushable
-I know
BARK (Tbone who's forgetten whether he just had snack or frankly, what world he's on)
-here you can have it
NOM NOM NOM BARK BARK!
-see he likes it
-he likes to eat dried up worms too.

Bullockist wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I'm not against white kids listening to rap I have more a problem with white kids tying to dress and act gangsta unless they're from the ghetto or a similar type of environment, because what little I know about the rap community is that authenticity is important.

Thanks for the laugh, quite a few of the most influential guys atm (producing, writing ,peforming ect) are not from the ghetto, in fact they are middle class, but they realised that people are happy to buy "gangsta' bs so they go where the money is, and we all know rap atm seems to be all about the money.

Maybe, I mean it just shows how little I know about hip hop but I'm pretty sure at one point in time to be "gangsta" meant you had to have actually lived the ghetto lifestyle.

People who bring massive trolleys full of shopping to the self service area that is blatantly designed to cater for customers with hand baskets, as is clearly indicated by the basket sized shelves, and the bag shelf with room enough for roughly two full shopping bags.

 RossDas wrote:
People who bring massive trolleys full of shopping to the self service area that is blatantly designed to cater for customers with hand baskets, as is clearly indicated by the basket sized shelves, and the bag shelf with room enough for roughly two full shopping bags.

Ahhh, first world problems right here.

on a related note, generally self-service checkouts.
Saves a cashier's wages... but requires a cashier on standby to fix it whenever it cocks up. Logic.

Also, I always manage to do something wrong. Every damn time.

 shrike wrote:
on a related note, generally self-service checkouts.
Saves a cashier's wages... but requires a cashier on standby to fix it whenever it cocks up. Logic.

Also, I always manage to do something wrong. Every damn time.

Not "logic", as you so narrow-mindedly put it. You still need a human element. How does the machine know how old you are when buying something that is age-restricted like alcohol for example? That is logic.

Supermarkets can get hit with huge fines if they sell to someone underage. Hardly something that would offset "Saving a cashier's wages".

Try to think next time you open your mouth. You've done it quite a lot in this thread.

Myself and the wife got age-checked the other week for buying a bottle of wine. We're 28/29, my response was to laugh and say 'seriously?' before carrying on with the packing for a moment before seeing they were still waiting, so I asked properly 'are you serious?'. They just nodded in complete seriousness so we had to rummage for ID which we were lucky to have. Main form of ID is a driving licence and we don't own a car at the moment.

There's no way either of us look 21, let alone 18. Those days are long past.

IDK what the law in the UK is, but around here if someone looks under 30-35 you are required to card them. Even if someone is over 21 if you don't card them you can get in trouble.

This applies to restaurants too. Someone one of my friends knows got a job at a local Steak House, she went from interview right to waiting tables. The first people she sat down and took an order from ordered some beer. She was only 16 and had not yet received any training, and so she didn't card them. They turned out to be under cover LEOs checking on if this establishment was carding people properly. Place got their liquor license suspended and the girl lost her job.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Not "logic", as you so narrow-mindedly put it. You still need a human element. How does the machine know how old you are when buying something that is age-restricted like alcohol for example? That is logic.

Supermarkets can get hit with huge fines if they sell to someone underage. Hardly something that would offset "Saving a cashier's wages".

Try to think next time you open your mouth. You've done it quite a lot in this thread.

Well, in both the US and UK its common to have a bank of self-service checkouts and one member of staff to monitor them in case a customer needs help, or has bought an age restricted item (the staff's screen will notify them of which checkout and what the issue is). So going by what I seen yesterday were one staff member oversaw roughly a dozen self service checkouts and had to deal with two issues, including checking an ID for an alcohol purchase, I think its safe to say that the store may have saved a wee bit

I hate self-check outs unless I'm buying like one item. They always seem to be broken.

Grimtuff wrote:

 shrike wrote:
on a related note, generally self-service checkouts.
Saves a cashier's wages... but requires a cashier on standby to fix it whenever it cocks up. Logic.

Also, I always manage to do something wrong. Every damn time.

Not "logic", as you so narrow-mindedly put it. You still need a human element. How does the machine know how old you are when buying something that is age-restricted like alcohol for example? That is logic.

Supermarkets can get hit with huge fines if they sell to someone underage. Hardly something that would offset "Saving a cashier's wages".

Try to think next time you open your mouth. You've done it quite a lot in this thread.

Your reasoning is that customers could buy alcohol when underage- that's nothing to do with what I'm saying. The whole point of self-service is to save money on cashiers, but the store still has to employ people to hang around ready to fix it when it or the customer does something wrong. You're reinforcing my point about why stores shouldn't bother having them, and just use actual people.
Also, rule #1, please.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Myself and the wife got age-checked the other week for buying a bottle of wine. We're 28/29, my response was to laugh and say 'seriously?' before carrying on with the packing for a moment before seeing they were still waiting, so I asked properly 'are you serious?'. They just nodded in complete seriousness so we had to rummage for ID which we were lucky to have. Main form of ID is a driving licence and we don't own a car at the moment.

There's no way either of us look 21, let alone 18. Those days are long past.

Depends entirely on where you shopped. Tesco operates think 25. Some places do think 30 (Spar IIRC). Some places may have had a fair few test purchase fails so were being extra vigilant. For example the store I work at failed 2 lottery purchases within a week. If we failed another we would have lost our licence with Camelot which brought in around £250,000 a week. There was retraining everywhere and people were being extra vigilant.

Don't go too hard on the staff asking for ID. There is no need to be insulted by it. We're just doing our job.




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 shrike wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

 shrike wrote:
on a related note, generally self-service checkouts.
Saves a cashier's wages... but requires a cashier on standby to fix it whenever it cocks up. Logic.

Also, I always manage to do something wrong. Every damn time.

Not "logic", as you so narrow-mindedly put it. You still need a human element. How does the machine know how old you are when buying something that is age-restricted like alcohol for example? That is logic.

Supermarkets can get hit with huge fines if they sell to someone underage. Hardly something that would offset "Saving a cashier's wages".

Try to think next time you open your mouth. You've done it quite a lot in this thread.

Your reasoning is that customers could buy alcohol when underage- that's nothing to do with what I'm saying. The whole point of self-service is to save money on cashiers, but the store still has to employ people to hang around ready to fix it when it or the customer does something wrong. You're reinforcing my point about why stores shouldn't bother having them, and just use actual people.
Also, rule #1, please.

No, it's not to save money on cashiers at all. Or did we get rid of some staff when my store got the self service tills? Um, no. It's just an extra skill set for a checkout staff member to learn. They serve a niche and not everyone is willing to use them nor understand how they work.

A machine cannot tell if you're underage. A machine cannot change the till roll or cash up at the end of the day. Please stop with your ignorance as you really do not know what you're talking about.

If they don't save money what do they do besides annoy a percentage of the customers?

When you go to greggs and there are two queues. One heading to the cakes and one heading to the pies. So you get in the pie queue. Then notice that the other queue is not only being served quicker than yours, but that the original assumption of queue destination was incorrect, and you realise that the guy serving your queue is just taking ages. And people that came in after you, but went to the other queue are now being served. With the pizza you originally saw/went in for.
All the while, ALL pizza's and pie's are disappearing from the shelves at an insane rate, previously only seen by people panic buying petrol.
Then when you get to the counter - you see the cornish pasties...and think 'that'll do. It's not a steak bake, but at least its allegedly beef'
There are always lots of pasties.
When you buy one you find out why -
The pasties are arguably capable of melting steel. Which then combines internal powers of atomic fusion with a only paper bag to hold it in. Pie/Pasty temperature has a specific heat bandwidth - it needs to be both hotter than the surrounding temperature, yet not hot enough to melt actual face.
When you try to eat said pasty, there is literally no way of eating it which does not cause pain.
There is nowhere to put pasty down. Holding pasty causes pain. Eating pasty causes pain. Refraining from eating the pasty till the internal temperatures subside is also no longer an option as you've eaten the pastry from one end (which was the only pasty portion at a reasonable temperature )- thus leakage of beef, suede and potato at liquid magma type heat.

Gah.

 Grey Templar wrote:
If they don't save money what do they do besides annoy a percentage of the customers?

I didn't say that. Shrike was implying that the stores put in self-service checkouts so they do not have to employ as many checkout staff. This is simply not true. Like it or not, I believe these things are the future. A good percentage of customers love them, mainly the ones that do not want to communicate with anyone and/or the college kids who would otherwise clog up the other checkouts and cause "I don't queue" to go into the red. (IDQ performance are how checkout generate their overtime. The less time customers have to queue, the more overtime the checkouts generate )

It is a fairly new technology that still needs a human element for many reasons I have listed in the previous posts. All it is is simply a new type of checkout. Nothing more.


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PredaKhaine wrote:
When you go to greggs and there are two queues. One heading to the cakes and one heading to the pies. So you get in the pie queue. Then notice that the other queue is not only being served quicker than yours, but that the original assumption of queue destination was incorrect, and you realise that the guy serving your queue is just taking ages. And people that came in after you, but went to the other queue are now being served. With the pizza you originally saw/went in for.
All the while, ALL pizza's and pie's are disappearing from the shelves at an insane rate, previously only seen by people panic buying petrol.
Then when you get to the counter - you see the cornish pasties...and think 'that'll do. It's not a steak bake, but at least its allegedly beef'
There are always lots of pasties.
When you buy one you find out why -
The pasties are arguably capable of melting steel. Which then combines internal powers of atomic fusion with a only paper bag to hold it in. Pie/Pasty temperature has a specific heat bandwidth - it needs to be both hotter than the surrounding temperature, yet not hot enough to melt actual face.
When you try to eat said pasty, there is literally no way of eating it which does not cause pain.
There is nowhere to put pasty down. Holding pasty causes pain. Eating pasty causes pain. Refraining from eating the pasty till the internal temperatures subside is also no longer an option as you've eaten the pastry from one end (which was the only pasty portion at a reasonable temperature )- thus leakage of beef, suede and potato at liquid magma type heat.

Gah.

I love Gregg's vegetarian options. That's the Steak Bake, right?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
If they don't save money what do they do besides annoy a percentage of the customers?

I didn't say that. Shrike was implying that the stores put in self-service checkouts so they do not have to employ as many checkout staff. This is simply not true. Like it or not, I believe these things are the future. A good percentage of customers love them, mainly the ones that do not want to communicate with anyone and/or the college kids who would otherwise clog up the other checkouts and cause "I don't queue" to go into the red. (IDQ performance are how checkout generate their overtime. The less time customers have to queue, the more overtime the checkouts generate )

It is a fairly new technology that still needs a human element for many reasons I have listed in the previous posts. All it is is simply a new type of checkout. Nothing more.

I just think they should hold up on putting them in stores until they don't mess up as much

 shrike wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
If they don't save money what do they do besides annoy a percentage of the customers?

I didn't say that. Shrike was implying that the stores put in self-service checkouts so they do not have to employ as many checkout staff. This is simply not true. Like it or not, I believe these things are the future. A good percentage of customers love them, mainly the ones that do not want to communicate with anyone and/or the college kids who would otherwise clog up the other checkouts and cause "I don't queue" to go into the red. (IDQ performance are how checkout generate their overtime. The less time customers have to queue, the more overtime the checkouts generate )

It is a fairly new technology that still needs a human element for many reasons I have listed in the previous posts. All it is is simply a new type of checkout. Nothing more.

I just think they should hold up on putting them in stores until they don't mess up as much

They don't mess up though. 9 times out of 10 it is a user error. Stop putting your children on the place where the shopping goes. It is done on weight. Same goes for using your own bags. The button is there on the start screen. Tell it you're using your own bags and it will not come up with the annoying "unexpected item in the bagging area".

The only times where it is an error of the self checkout is when it either does not recognise an item is security tagged, thus causing a bit of embarrassment as the customer tries to leave the store and sets off the alarm or the item is a different weight to what is logged in the system' causing the "unexpected item in the bagging area". alert to go off.

Well it seems like every time I go into a store half of the self-checkout machines are broken and even when I do stuff right things are either not in the computer system or the machine doesn't have the proper weight in its system for the product.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well it seems like every time I go into a store half of the self-checkout machines are broken and even when I do stuff right things are either not in the computer system or the machine doesn't have the proper weight in its system for the product.

It won't matter what till you go to with the former. If the item is not on file we cannot sell it (though this can be easily remedied as it may simply be a case of the product's barcode number not matching the one on the shelf edge label.). But it needs to be scanned through a till to actually be put on file. Now there is logic, Tesco logic anyway!

Donkeycave drivers who are turning into on-coming traffic and never bother to check for pedestrians...
Pisses me off to no end since I'm forced to walk/use public transit to get around since I'm legally not allowed to ever get a licence.

Worst recently was crossing a street with the little 'walking guy' signal, some fat b is speeding upto the corner trying to make the turn before I can finish crossing, she barely stopped before hitting me, at which point I did shoot my mouth off and basically say something like, "that's right dumb***, fething stop before you kill me!"
She fliped me the bird, jerked her car at me and then sped off after I finished crossing... And got rear-ended by the car she just cut-off.

So then I had to wait for the cops to show up and give my statement.
But I did at least find out that this stupid, fat b was almost twice the legal limit!

Leading to another pet peeve - stupid people who drink & drive. One of the worst days was when a good buddy had to come ask our manager for time-off after his friend's dad was t-boned and killed instantly by a drunk driver.