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vitae_drinker wrote:
You guys do realize that the Battle Cry level includes all unlocked stretch goals, right?

There are some unlocks that are free add-ons, and some that just give more options to pledge. Currently, the Spartan is an option, and the extra VF-1 frame at $125 is an add-on.

@Vitia_drinker.

The second stretch goal will be included in that pledge level as its marketed as a stretch goal (sel lower right corner of the image), the first stretch goal was marked as an addon instead so I do not believe will be included unless you pay extra. That's how I read it at least.

 Necros wrote:
I thought this was gonna be the Robotech Battles game a buddy of mine made, but he just said it's not .. he was still part of the development though so that's something.

dilema now is... spend my cash on my secret weapon board, or this one? can't do both :/

Was never a huge Robotech fan but the models look good. Can't they do robots based on more modern planes, instead of Top Gun stuff? Or is it sacrilege to even think it?

Sacrilege...though some of the veritechs had designs that are more modern.

The scale wont be an issue, some of the 6mm figures that are available are surprisingly detailed, so anything from Robotech will not be a problem.

 warboss wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
You guys do realize that the Battle Cry level includes all unlocked FREE stretch goals, right?

Corrected that for you. It does not include the paid add ons which currently make up 1 of the 2 unlocks so far.

Could you show me where it says that? Nowhere does it state free.

 Necros wrote:
Can't they do robots based on more modern planes, instead of Top Gun stuff? Or is it sacrilege to even think it?

Yes, that is a blasphemous thing to ask. As penance, go watch the Blood Dragon trailer five times.

 warboss wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
You guys do realize that the Battle Cry level includes all unlocked FREE stretch goals, right?

Corrected that for you. It does not include the paid add ons which currently make up 1 of the 2 unlocks so far.

Could you show me where it says that? Nowhere does it state free.

The next stretch goal is probably like the Rick Hunter Veritech model, IE: not an add on pack.

The Battlecry level specifically states ALL stretch goals.

A stretch goal is a stretch goal is a stretch goal.



See that little set of words in the lower right...

vitae_drinker wrote:

 warboss wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
You guys do realize that the Battle Cry level includes all unlocked FREE stretch goals, right?

Corrected that for you. It does not include the paid add ons which currently make up 1 of the 2 unlocks so far.

Could you show me where it says that? Nowhere does it state free.

Lol... I'll show you where you quoted it yourself. It's right past the part you made red. All irony aside, no big deal as I've made mistakes myself regarding the details of this kickstarter.

vitae_drinker wrote:
You guys do realize that the Battle Cry level includes all unlocked stretch goals, right?

BATTLE CRY PLEDGE LEVEL INCLUDES:
Full color, 90+ page, softcover rulebook
24 Battle Dice
40 color game cards (unit cards, etc)
1x Rick Hunter SE Veritech
6x VF-1A Veritech Valkyries (in Fighter, Guardian, and Battloid modes)
1x VF-1J "Officer" in all three modes
2x Destroids (includes parts to make them Tomahawks, Defenders, or one of each)
18x Regult Zentraedi Battlepods
1x Glaug Officer's Battlepod
1/285th scale, high quality, multi-pose plastic game pieces.
All Unlocked Stretch Goals
For those of you looking to maximize your free goodies, Battle Cry is the pledge to have. Battle Cry pledges will receive all future unlocked free stretch goals.

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vitae_drinker wrote:

Could you show me where it says that? Nowhere does it state free.

The next stretch goal is probably like the Rick Hunter Veritech model, IE: not an add on pack.

The Battlecry level specifically states ALL stretch goals.

A stretch goal is a stretch goal is a stretch goal.



See that little set of words in the lower right...

Come now.. don't get snarky especially if you're completely wrong...

Yup, it's in the Battlecry Pledge description in the main body of text. It specifically states FREE stretch goals


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Here, official word from Palladium on the Spartan


Creator Palladium Books about 2 hours ago
The $90k stretch goal is an add-on. Since it is an entirely new unit the amount raised by the stretch goal only funds its development. So if you want to receive it you will need to increase your pledge amount for it, regardless of which pledge you have made.

 warboss wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:

 warboss wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
You guys do realize that the Battle Cry level includes all unlocked FREE stretch goals, right?

Corrected that for you. It does not include the paid add ons which currently make up 1 of the 2 unlocks so far.

Could you show me where it says that? Nowhere does it state free.

Lol... I'll show you where you quoted it yourself. It's right past the part you made red. All irony aside, no big deal as I've made mistakes myself regarding the details of this kickstarter.

vitae_drinker wrote:
You guys do realize that the Battle Cry level includes all unlocked stretch goals, right?

BATTLE CRY PLEDGE LEVEL INCLUDES:
Full color, 90+ page, softcover rulebook
24 Battle Dice
40 color game cards (unit cards, etc)
1x Rick Hunter SE Veritech
6x VF-1A Veritech Valkyries (in Fighter, Guardian, and Battloid modes)
1x VF-1J "Officer" in all three modes
2x Destroids (includes parts to make them Tomahawks, Defenders, or one of each)
18x Regult Zentraedi Battlepods
1x Glaug Officer's Battlepod
1/285th scale, high quality, multi-pose plastic game pieces.
All Unlocked Stretch Goals
For those of you looking to maximize your free goodies, Battle Cry is the pledge to have. Battle Cry pledges will receive all future unlocked free stretch goals.

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vitae_drinker wrote:

Could you show me where it says that? Nowhere does it state free.

The next stretch goal is probably like the Rick Hunter Veritech model, IE: not an add on pack.

The Battlecry level specifically states ALL stretch goals.

A stretch goal is a stretch goal is a stretch goal.



See that little set of words in the lower right...

Come now.. don't get snarky especially if you're completely wrong...

Wow, my bad. They completely changed the picture and just overwrote the old one. I'm looking at it in my email and still shows this:



If so, it seems a little disenginuous to say one thing, and then contradict yourself. But hey, it's Palladium, so there you go.

Sure looks like a stretch goal to me!

It's also possible that Paid unlocks might become Free unlocks (in a fashion) at later points in the campaign. Tooling up to make the parts for the next two destroids might be expensive enough that they can't just guarantee adding them to boxes, but perhaps at a later price point they'll include a couple extra.

I've seen other KS's do that, which isn't to say this one definitely will, but it's a possibility. Though I do get that doing so might cannibalize some of their funding (why back for an extra $20 to get 4 destroids if you end up with 4 in the box?) but some of those folks might back for 6 instead, or simply adjust what they want (get another Veritech wing for an extra $5 or whatever instead).

Edit 2: and as noted, the next one is a free add on to the tiers that qualify. Edit 3: that we're only 10k away from.

Well, it certainly was a stretch goal. But it wasn't a free stretch goal.

I think they'll actually have a fair number of disgruntled people if they try to stick with their double-speak. Including "All Unlocked Stretch Goals" and then trying to limit that is not exactly going to win you fans, especially when leaving it out of the bullet point only saved you 5 characters of internet type space, which is for all intents and purposes infinite.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I think they'll actually have a fair number of disgruntled people if they try to stick with their double-speak.

Here we go ... The main page under Battle Cry says:

For those of you looking to maximize your free goodies, Battle Cry is the pledge to have. Battle Cry pledges will receive all future unlocked free stretch goals.

You did not did not read it very carefully when you originally quoted it. It says "free stretch goals." We know about two stretch goals so far. One says it's an add-on. The other explicitly says it comes with Battle Cry. So there's no double speak.

 Manchu wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
I think they'll actually have a fair number of disgruntled people if they try to stick with their double-speak.

Here we go ... The main page has under Battle Cry says:

For those of you looking to maximize your free goodies, Battle Cry is the pledge to have. Battle Cry pledges will receive all future unlocked free stretch goals.

You did not did not read it very carefully when you originally quoted it. It says "free stretch goals." We know about two stretch goals so far. One says it's an add-on. The other explicitly says it comes with Battle Cry. So there's no double speak.

Well, to say one thing ("All Unlocked Stretch Goals") and then to immediately change it ("Battle Cry pledges will receive all future unlocked free stretch goals.") is rather disingenious. Would you sign a contract that state one thing, but then immediately changed that statement in the next clause? By entering into a Kickstarter pledge, that's essentially what the supporters are doing. Rather shady.

I have to agree. It doesn't look like there is any double speak to me.

I think we're overlooking the important point that the part that may or may not be contradictory was right after the first statement which, if you grade Palladium on a curve of their own products, deserves an A+. If they had followed their usual editing and writing styles, the clarification would have been buried in the middle of a paragraph about the warehouse in the "About Us" section of the kickstarter. That's progress, people!!

 warboss wrote:
I think we're overlooking the important point that the part that may or may not be contradictory was right after the first statement which, if you grade Palladium on a curve of their own products, deserves an A+. If they had followed their usual editing and writing styles, the clarification would have been buried in the middle of a paragraph about the warehouse in the "About Us" section of the kickstarter. That's progress, people!!

If Kevin had admitted there was a problem at all...
"Which one is right, Kevin?"
"No, no, that's how it is intended to work!"
"Wait...what? That's not what I asked..."
"Nothing needs to be fixed!"
"What are you talking about? And why do you use so many exclamation points?"
"That's how it's always worked!"
"Wha-....huh?"

So, yeah, that is much better than usual.

It just hit 125k.

I don't think they anticipated this cash influx, lol.

I need Stretch goals of Fokker, Max, Ben, Super Valks, MORE! MORE! MORE!

$125k Stretch Goal reached ...





$150k Stretch Goal posted ...

Looks like a Gnerl fighter!

The $20 paid add-ons are coming fast and furious!

I'm not that much of a Robotech fanatic... they are starting to annoy me!

I have no idea what I'd 'need' to have, 'want' to have...ugh!

It's a cool free addition only because it can apparently be made into a VF-1S which I don't think the ones in the starter nor the additional sprue can do. Otherwise it would be a very lackluster addition.

maybe I missed it .. but do the models actually transform? Or are you buying and painting 3 different versions of the same guy?

 Alpharius wrote:
The $20 paid add-ons are coming fast and furious!

I'm not that much of a Robotech fanatic... they are starting to annoy me!

I have no idea what I'd 'need' to have, 'want' to have...ugh!

Whatever looks the coolest.

 Necros wrote:
maybe I missed it .. but do the models actually transform? Or are you buying and painting 3 different versions of the same guy?

It reads that you get 4 Valks in all 3 modes for a total of 12 minis.

They need to leave the reached goals on the front page too.

It's a cool free addition only because it can apparently be made into a VF-1S which I don't think the ones in the starter nor the additional sprue can do. Otherwise it would be a very lackluster addition.

Can't agree more with this statement. At first it appears to be "meh" but since it has all the options, it's much better.

 Necros wrote:
maybe I missed it .. but do the models actually transform? Or are you buying and painting 3 different versions of the same guy?

Multipose - but I do not believe they are transforming (that is why they have different figures for the Fighter, Guardian, and Battloid modes.

 Necros wrote:
maybe I missed it .. but do the models actually transform? Or are you buying and painting 3 different versions of the same guy?

Each Veritech sprue should let you built 1 jet, 1 guardian, and 1 battleoid.
Zentradi Battlepods look like 2 per sprue.

I'd be okay with alternating free and paid add-ons, especially if the latter become the former over time.

Also, someone was lamenting the LE Rick Hunter mini. In the update they clarified that like the other add ons you can buy one (or more) like any other add on, just add the extra $15 (x how many you want) and they'll sort it out at the end.

Not that I want to see a bunch of people down-pledging, but better that people get something they want/are happy with than simply bumping up the total a few bucks but leaving people feeling frustrated that they can't customize to get what they want.

Gotta say, coming off the Malifaux RPG kickstarter (which was all "ADD ONS? HOW DARE YOU! NO WE DO THIS OUR WAY!!"), the tier customization is pretty awesome. Even if it's just par for the course for most others.

vitae_drinker wrote:
Zentradi Battlepods look like 2 per sprue.

To be pedantic, they seem to be 3 per sprue.

So those 3 models are like 3 different characters? I just assumed it was 1 guy that had 3 different modes.

 Necros wrote:
So those 3 models are like 3 different characters? I just assumed it was 1 guy that had 3 different modes.

Nope, you had it right, 3 models for 1 figure that can transform. I mean, you don't literally shape shift the figure like lego, but yes, you probably replace one figure with another when you change modes.