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Confounded!

Ah well ... remember to ask for a decal sheet in the update comments, people!

And thanks for answering Cyp!


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Regarding the $180k Stretch Goal:

Palladium wrote:This one only upgrades the Destroid Pack. Not the boxed game.
We still have 31 days, so we'll see what the future holds for the others.

I would love a decal sheet.

I am.. not a talented painter. Getting into Malifaux a year ago has made me give it a shot, and while I'm happy with the results, pro level work it isn't, and if I'm going to be painting up literally 50+ figures by the end of this, a few decals to make Skull One look extra spiffy would be appreciated.

In all honesty, it would not necessarily be hard for me to make one. But that's kind of all the more reason why you'd think the licensee would do so ...

Decal sheet = Confirmed.

Transforming - beginning of your activation you pick a form for that activation. Each form has pros/cons, Gerwalk is better at defense, Battleoid is better at attack.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Decal sheet = Confirmed.

As stretch goal? In starter box? For general release? Or just generally, "we'll make one"?

 Cyporiean wrote:
Transforming - beginning of your activation you pick a form for that activation. Each form has pros/cons, Gerwalk is better at defense, Battleoid is better at attack.

I like that, nice and simple.

It's nice having such a reliable Dakkanaut at Adepticon! Thanks again!

Cool. Could you ask them if the GU-11 only being listed under battloid means you can only use it in that mode?

Not sure how its coming, I'm just getting info as I can in our mutal lulls of people.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Can someone give me a quick history between Macross/Robotech and Battletech?

Here's the best I could do for a TL;DR version of all the histories.

Macross: tv show in Japan in 1982, 36 episodes

Robotech: Harmony Gold bought license for Macross (and other shows) but US TV required 65 episodes for daily syndication; Carl Macek edited together Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada to make the 85 episode space opera known as Robotech. it's called Robotech only because at that time REVELL was releasing japanese model kits in the USA under the name Robotech

Battletech: originally Battledroids (C&D by George Lucas made it become Battletech). FASA licensed Macross designs (and other designs from Crusher Joe, Dougram, etc) but not from Harmony Gold, and there was a big ol court case in the 90's, and then FASA/then WIZKIDS/then CATALYST don't use the designs anymore (now called the "unseens") and obviously the old minis of them are way out of print and hard to get

Manchu the Macross/Robotech/Battletech/Jetfire issue is a tangled Gordian Knot of rights issues only the brave dare tackle.

Besides what Doug says we've ended up with different chunks of the original being owned by different companies.

So Big West (or their successor) owns Macross and I assume is responsible for the new translations that came out recently under the Macross name. Not sure how they did that, maybe because their versions are subtitles and not dubbed?

But HG owns Robotech and has exclusive rights to some (but not all) merchendise based on Macross.

They gave a licence to Palladium which (they say) gives them exclusive rights to any tabletop games based on Robotech or Macross.

Big West (or whoever) also owns the various sequels and spinoffs so HG and Palladium cannot use them.

Takara who made most of the toys in Japan licensed the Super Veritech to Hasbro to make Jetfire, but not the TV/comic rights necessitating the creation of 'Skyfire' who's nowhere as cool. It also blocked Matchbox from importing/making VT toys in the US necessitating the selling of the chibi VTs. Not sure what this blocked the sale of smaller scale VT toys but there you go.





Somewhere in there FASA got the rights from BW and other Japanese animators to use their mechs but HG and other licensors in the US objected resulting in their images and minis being removed.

And that's what I know...

Thanks K_K! The VFs I had were even smaller:

http://www.ecrater.com/p/16424447/macross-robotech-vf-1j-veritech?gps=1

I wish I had gotten the one you posted! Looks awesome.

Still not sure I'll get this...

I mean I've not played a mini game in almost 2 years what with being in TT and all... And the piles of unpainted stuff loom ever higher...

But I do love me some Macross and even Robotech.

Update!

Size Chart
Update #9 · Apr 19, 2013 · 8 comments

We've had many, many requests for a size chart and we're happy to oblige! All models are on 40mm bases, except for the Glaug Officer's pod which is on a 50mm base.


NEW SCULPTS!

We're also excited to show you the continued development of the Regult Battlepod sculpts. As you can see they have become very dynamic models, suitable for all your cinematic anime destruction!



MULTIPLE PLEDGE LEVELS

We have had several questions asking if you can purchase multiple pledges. The answer is yes! Simply increase the amount of your pledge by the value of any additional pledges you want. At the end of the Kickstarter you can tell us how you would like your funds used.

For Example: If you have already purchased Battle Cry ($140) but would also like to get Homecoming ($25) and A New Dawn ($15), simply increase your pledge to $180 (140+25+15)

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How come the defender is trying to shoot off his own feets?

 Necros wrote:
How come the defender is trying to shoot off his own feets?

Because in space, no one can tell you your guns aren't pointed at the enemy.

Or he's incredibly lazy...

 Necros wrote:
How come the defender is trying to shoot off his own feets?

If you overcharge the guns and spin the radar at high speed it can achieve liftoff.

More pics from Adepticon
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.564142263618219.1073741829.160351010664015&type=1

Looks like the VF-1:Regult cost ratio is actually 1:2. And a Tomahawk is more expensive than either!

Also, I wonder what the "Life Is Cheap" special rule does ...

Regult

Speed (movement): 7
Gunnery (accuracy): 1
Defense (damage resistance): 6
Piloting (performance): 1

Tomahawk

Speed (movement): 5
Gunnery (accuracy): 3
Defense (damage resistance): 5
Piloting (performance): 3

I scrolled through the entire page, and it didn't say anything important about what people really care about:

Will those be the right scale to play Battletech?

Well, they are really close to the original Ral Partha Battletech sculpts in size.

If the base is 40mm



Then it stands about 45mm tall based on that picture.

The Ral Partha Warhammer is 46mm top of base to top of missile launcher.

I like the more dynamic battle pods. I wonder why making all the robotech sculpts more action oriented wasn't a priority in the first place. Also, I wonder if just the 3 free stretch goal pods using the new sculpts or if all of them will.

Justyn wrote:

I scrolled through the entire page, and it didn't say anything important about what people really care about:

Will those be the right scale to play Battletech?

Well, they are really close to the original Ral Partha Battletech sculpts in size.

If the base is 40mm



Then it stands about 45mm tall based on that picture.

The Ral Partha Warhammer is 46mm top of base to top of missile launcher.

This makes me happy. Probably wont go in on the KS (Warzone largely drained me and I'm holding back a few hundred just in case the next Mantic KS looks too awesome to pass up) but I will almost definitely pick some of these up if they are close to battlemech sized. The only worry I have left is the Glaug being quite a bit larger than the others. But then, my current IWM Marauders also are, so that shouldn't be too bad. I'll be glad to pick up some proper Archers again (largely the only 'mech that I just can't stand the re-seen version of).

The Glaug is 70mm tall. So way way too big even for a Marauder II. The Valkryies are too large to use for Btech too. Its possible the Armored Valk will be decent sized for a Crusader, but still on the big side.

Well, they're 1/285th, but they're using Macross scales. I imagine the Destroids will match almost perfectly to the unseens and not much else will. But, at $5 for a superbly detailed unseen Warhammer/Spartan/Rifleman/Longbow you can hardly complain. I wonder how well that would make a Marauder match the clickytech figs? Probably a bit small, but I'd bet it's usable.

I also wonder how well some 28mm sci-fi infantry would match for armored Zentraedi infantry? I'm sure they'll have actual models for them by the time the KS is over, but if not maybe some repurposed Sedition Wars/Infinity with drab green armor would be pretty good.

 Kalamadea wrote:
Well, they're 1/285th, but they're using Macross scales. I imagine the Destroids will match almost perfectly to the unseens and not much else will. But, at $5 for a superbly detailed unseen Warhammer/Spartan/Rifleman/Longbow you can hardly complain. I wonder how well that would make a Marauder match the clickytech figs? Probably a bit small, but I'd bet it's usable.

Having the exact same scale doesn't mean that the two minis would be the same size. If the Glaug in robotech is 70ft tall but the equivalent mech in battletech is listed as 60ft tall, the models will still be a different size despite using the exact same scale. I don't know if the technical manuals in battletech had actual heights of the mechs listed but it might be a good idea for someone knowledgeable in both to compare the "real" heights and post them.

That's what I'm saying, people are expecting things to match 100% just because they're 1/285 but it just ain't gonna happen. So, to those people, I say be glad you're getting a few plastic unseens that look like they WILL match 100% and a few that will work if you don't mind a bit of off-scale figs and a lot that will be just too far off because they were originally meant to be piloted by 30 foot tall humanoids.

Also, a little bit of napkin math shows that a 30mmish fig should be about perfect for Zentraedi infantry, happy day

OK, I dug out a box of Battletech minis that I knew had some Unseen to measure. It's late and I'm lazy or I would post pics, however:

All measurements are from the base to top of highest bit, with no hexbase underneath:

Marauder - 52mm - This can vary depending on tilt of pod/gun

Archer - 48mm

Rifleman - 43mm

Warhammer - 50mm to top of missile pod - 42/43mm to top of head

Stinger - 40mm

Crusader - 52mm to top of jet pack - 47mm to top of head

Phoenix Hawk - 52mm to top of jet pack - 47mm to top of head

This box didn't have any Longbows or Wasps. They must be packed away somewhere else.

I hope that helps!

Well the Marau--err-Glaug being 70mm is a bit heart-breaking. But hey, proper Archers again!

There are no consistent heights for Battletech. They have been listed all over the place. I've seen everything from 12m to 25m tall for the Atlas. Robotech had solid consistent numbers. The Tomahawk is 12.7m tall, which comes out to 44mm in 1/285th. Which means it might be a mm or two off from the Warhammer miniature, but will be close enough to use. The other Destroids should also work just fine, as they are all in Robotech correctly sized vs the Warhammer. The Valks vs the Stinger/Wasps will be quite a bit off. The Super Valk as Phoenix Hawk may be somewhat useable, but will look pretty huge. Armored Valk for Crusader may work but again will look large. The Glaug/Marauder will be the furthest off I am sure. Some folks will use them anyway, but to me they will look too far off.

Also, a little bit of napkin math shows that a 30mmish fig should be about perfect for Zentraedi infantry, happy day

50ft tall aliens should be closer to 54mm figures. Remember that Max in his fighter in Battloid mode was the same height as a standard Zentradi trooper. So 50mm tall give or take a bit. And Breetai was some 70 feet tall as I recall.

Marauder - 52mm - This can vary depending on tilt of pod/gun

Archer - 48mm

Rifleman - 43mm

Warhammer - 50mm to top of missile pod - 42/43mm to top of head

Stinger - 40mm

Crusader - 52mm to top of jet pack - 47mm to top of head

Phoenix Hawk - 52mm to top of jet pack - 47mm to top of head

This box didn't have any Longbows or Wasps. They must be packed away somewhere else.

I hope that helps!

Did you measure from the top of the integral base or bottom? I measured from the top and got 46-47mm for the Warhammer. Just checking if thats why our numbers disagree. It makes the most sense.

Well the Marau--err-Glaug being 70mm is a bit heart-breaking. But hey, proper Archers again!

The more I look at the picture of everything together the more I think you Might be able to use it as a Marauder II (100 ton Marauder).

I'm just trying to figure out where I'm going to get legs and arms for all the Regult Pods so I can begin the OST invasion.

Justyn wrote:
Did you measure from the top of the integral base or bottom? I measured from the top and got 46-47mm for the Warhammer. Just checking if thats why our numbers disagree. It makes the most sense.

The bottom. Average integral base would be 3-4mm thick depending on casting, wear, etc....

So basically we have the same height, just different starting point.

Like I said, other thing come into play also, extra bits, tilt of pieces and parts.

I don't have any plastic Battletech minis or I would measure those as well. I bet they would be closer in size to the Robotech stuff.

I'm all metal and all before 3050!

[Edit] I forgot I have some Grey Death Legion in my Gallery here, lol. You can't really tell the size though, nothing in background to compare too. I guess you can see how much bigger the Phoenix Hawk is compared to the Stinger pretty well.

Zentraedi are often described as 50 feet tall (especially in the novels), but they are actually nowhere near it in the anime, more like 25'-35' tall. I did my napkin math off of http://macross2.net/m3/sizecharts/sizechart-1.gif. As for plastics, my Warhammer is 48mm to the top of the missile pod, 41mm to the top of his head not counting the integral base.

Well 35 feet would be much closer to 28mm miniatures than 54. However that would still be a bit short. I'm thinking they have some actual Zentradi minis ahead.

Somewhere in there FASA got the rights from BW and other Japanese animators to use their mechs but HG and other licensors in the US objected resulting in their images and minis being removed.

FASA won their day in court. They had legal licenses to use what they did. They decided it was too expensive to pay more legal fees and withdrew what are now known as Unseen to Battletech fans so there would never be future issues. Which is why the Unseen list included things that were not involved in the lawsuit. They covered their bases by withdrawing everything that wasn't developed in house. And so the golden age of Battletech died.

Harmony Gold is pretty bad about throwing around Cease and Desists weather they have any legal ground to stand on or not. I hate them for all of the very excellent Macross toys or models I have to order from HLJ or Ebay instead of being able to pick up locally.

As far as the kickstarter goes. I love how Valks are $4 a model and Destroids are $10 a model.

I know I would like to be able to pose them at least a little.



Even the destroids are way to static. Please no minis that are just standing there.