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I seem to recall an image, either in the original comic series or in the show itself, that had a space suited figure being blown free of the cockpit of one of the Lancers.

I always chalked the failure of the Lancers to be really effective up to the lack of reflex weaponry. Even the missile barrage launched by the Armor ships didn't do much, after all. I figured that the ships and the Lancer fighters were always meant to support the SDF-1 and the Veritechs, not stand in the line and fight a slugging match. Who really knows, though? They didn't make any real contribution to the war, especially since they were caught flat-footed.

Ok... so i've never seen an episode of Robotech in my life, but note the similarities (connections to?) with Mech-Warrior, which as piqued my interest.

That said, as I don't know these units... a whole lot of the add-ons, etc... all look alike to me.

Can someone help me out? If I wanted a "maximum diversity" pledge, and had the $140 level as a base... what add-ons do I need to have a legal/usable bit of everything?

In essence, between hit stretch-goals, etc... what DOESN'T come with my $140 pledge already, and how many of 'em do I need? :-p

You'd need:

1x Mk II Monster Ad On ... $40

1x OR 2x Super Valk Add Ons ... $35/$70

1x VEF-1/WF-1D Valk Add On ... $30

1x OR 2x Nousjadeul-Ger Add Ons ... $20/$40

1x OR 2x Serau-Ger Add Ons ... $30/$60

1x Queadluun-Ray Add On ... $30

I was wrong the lancers were manned, not drones.

Ninja said they will have rules for both planet based, space and battles that use both sets, so it is left up to the players to choose which they want to use. The Lancer cannot be used in in atmospheres, if you look through the comments for Palladium you can see what I am talking about.

Thanks Manchu!

Yowza... My completist nature needs to be vanquished if i'm going to stay in the table-top miniatures hobby. I'm so inclined to want to try everything that I always feel compelled to go into a game in a big way.

In some cases... great impulse. Get in early... save a bunch on a big, initial purchase.... Awesome.

Other times it means I bet big, and end up with a turd of a game, and far too deep of an investment.

From looking at the force builder, stretch-goals, etc... It seems like going in at $260 tier, with no add-ons, would yield a LOT of game. I think I might go against my instinct and do that instead.

Mind you... this would be easier if Deadzone wasn't running concurrently, and if I didn't regularly find myself thinking about Dropzone Commander.

FWIW, I think $140 is your best bet on this one.

I have decided Showdown is the level I am running, based of the MSRP prices posted on the KS homepage Veritechs and Regults are easiest to get through the KS. Plus you get a base squad of Gnerls and if we hit 800k you get a base squad of Male PA. I also ran the MSRP number for those who would like to see.

UN Test Pilot wrote:
I have decided Showdown is the level I am running, based of the MSRP prices posted on the KS homepage Veritechs and Regults are easiest to get through the KS. Plus you get a base squad of Gnerls and if we hit 800k you get a base squad of Male PA. I also ran the MSRP number for those who would like to see.

I did as well, and came out to it saving about $85 over-all, in terms of getting masses of what seem to be the most basic sorts of foundation units.

Plus, all the stuff from Stretch-Goals that would've only allowed for support, or very specific permutations of squads opens up to full ones.

I'll have to do some serious thinking here... Again, I have no knowledge/loyalty to the brand, which means half the appeal is missing....

I'm in at $140 because I really like Robotech and because the $140 pledge level has only gotten sweeter over time. To go higher, I think I would need to like more than Robotech: I'd need to really like the game. So that puts me into the position of, if I do like the game, needing to pay MSRP as/when. Overall, I think that possibility is the best approach for me.

Swabby wrote:
Forar I am glad to see them in the game but giving them abilities they just didnt have is just weird. You could just as easily say minmay learned kung fu from lynn kyle and thus put her in the game as a special infantry model but it just doesn't jive with the show. Why do it?

Because it doesn't have to jive with the show. It has to jive with the RPG, which is based on the show, and apparently the revision they went through a while back had HG give input that 'updated' some things they felt were inaccurate. It seems Lancer II's being a waste of space and materials was one of them. Some guy in the comments says that the LII's can do 400 damage out to 20 miles. In my books at home I'm pretty sure they do 1d6x10 out to 10 miles, so it seems they're meant to be more badass than originally indicated.

Like, man, I'm on your side. Lancers and Ghosts don't have me salivating over here. I'm just pointing out that they're in the books, they're on the org chart, and even if they're mere chaff for most Zentraedi forces to brush aside with a stern look.

But they're in the book, and for whatever reason they feel that people will want them enough, either in the miniatures game or for RPG play.

Honestly, I just want to get past the Lancers and Ghosts and get back to improving add ons and loading down the base box.

Edit: worked out add ons with my pals, and we're in for a Reckless overall (1/1/2 split), with about $100 in extras apiece so far. 3 MAC's, 3 boxes of FPA, 2 boxes of Gnerls, 1 Super VT pack. Wish I could justify a full Showdown on my own, but after dropping $175 on the Dwarven Forge terrain KS, I really don't want to drive my credit card too high too quickly. I've been doing so well paying the stupid thing off this year...

$20 for 4 Armoured VT's is tempting, once we get that high of course.

Yeah I am not sure including such a minor part of either the show and RPG as a late game stretch goal is really doing anything positive for anyone.

As a sidenote I have huge beef with the RPG rules compared to the show. I actually picked up the RPG 2.0 to get up to speed on what to expect statwise in the wargame. It leaves alot to be desired in terms of balance and really does a poor job of duplicating the kind of action you see onscreen.

Swabby wrote:
Yeah I am not sure including such a minor part of either the show and RPG as a late game stretch goal is really doing anything positive for anyone.

As a sidenote I have huge beef with the RPG rules compared to the show. I actually picked up the RPG 2.0 to get up to speed on what to expect statwise in the wargame. It leaves alot to be desired in terms of balance and really does a poor job of duplicating the kind of action you see onscreen.

It's a palladium RPG so I'm not surprised. They've consistently had that issue for decades as they haven't really updated their rules since the mid 80's with the development of the first Robotech game. Either way, the inclusion of non-traditional mecha like the lancer and ghost are nods to fans who wanted all the conventional style vehicles in the minis game. To Ninja's credit, they've left these items for last and had the more anticipated models unlock first. I'm not buying or am a fan of either of them but I'm glad for other people who are that they're included in the model line for the kickstarter.

As a side note, it looks like the rate of freebies has slowed. When they announced the 100k goals ahead of time, they were spaced out as every third and the doubling of armored battloids would have been the third. Note that this isn't necessarily a complaint but rather an observation that may decrease the momentum a bit somewhat today compared with yesterday.

I'm committed for $350. All I've settled on for certain is the Battle Cry pledge level. I'm torn between wanting to buy/build a really cool set up for both sides and wanting to bulk up the UEDF stuff to match a unit I had fun playing in an RP group.

I just don't know how many people in my neck of the woods are going to buy/play. I had thought about going up to Showdown to allow myself to carry a second game set, just in case.


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3, 500 backers and $782,602+ in pledges Not bad so far today. At least three bonus levels reached in 24 hours.

3500 Backers goal reached!

Cyproiean confirmed with Ninja Div that they were doing decals back at Adepticon. So I kind of see this one of those "we were going to do it anyway" stretch goals. Still, nice to see it confirmed as a promise to backers via KS.

I suspect most of the stretch goals are like that. I don't think they really expected to release a large boxed plastic starter without plastic templates and custom dice. Honestly, same with the models frankly. Does anyone really think they would have come out with the game not having super veritechs or FPA? The optimist in me would suggest "unlocking" them in the kickstarter made them maybe $5 cheaper and maybe a few months sooner but the realist says that the KS changes nothing other than the size of the initial print run.

 Manchu wrote:
Cyproiean confirmed with Ninja Div that they were doing decals back at Adepticon. So I kind of see this one of those "we were going to do it anyway" stretch goals. Still, nice to see it confirmed as a promise to backers via KS.

Did they confirm it? I thought it was more of a "we'd like to, but we'll have to see" sort of things.


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 warboss wrote:
I suspect most of the stretch goals are like that. I don't think they really expected to release a large boxed plastic starter without plastic templates and custom dice. Honestly, same with the models frankly. Does anyone really think they would have come out with the game not having super veritechs or FPA? The optimist in me would suggest "unlocking" them in the kickstarter made them maybe $5 cheaper and maybe a few months sooner but the realist says that the KS changes nothing other than the size of the initial print run.

I suspect a lot of that is crowdfunding vs traditional funding. If they had gotten a load from a bank for $500k then sure, plastic template and a buncha stuff. But interest rates and banks.
Crowdfunding - only "need" 70k to do the very basic, bare minimum. Then with additional crowdfunding beyond the minimum, add on stuff that they could have done with traditional bank loans, but with more product investment due to no interest rates.

I'm hoping 900k is a box upgrade. Not to be a greedy/entitled jerk, but it is nice to get a little something tucked in on top of the $200+ most of us seem to be in for (based on the average at least), and there's only so much enthusiasm you can build based on paid add ons and add on upgrades.

I'm sure there's someone who sees those and is all "Hey, man, I can pour another $200 on this thing and snap up another couple dozen figures! YES!", but limited finances and all, it is nice to get thrown a bone now and then while trying to justify adding in another $20 for Armoured Battloids or something.

Knowing that we have the Officer's Pod booster sled coming as well is interesting. Definitely have a lot of room to move on their goals at this rate. We've got 2 (?) figures entirely unavailable for now, and simply untold ways to upgrade packs (add more figures to add ons), some characters and even sprinkle a few new models into the base box.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Cyproiean confirmed with Ninja Div that they were doing decals back at Adepticon. So I kind of see this one of those "we were going to do it anyway" stretch goals. Still, nice to see it confirmed as a promise to backers via KS.

Did they confirm it? I thought it was more of a "we'd like to, but we'll have to see" sort of things.

Me (To Chris): You guys going to do decals?
Chris (To John): Hey John, are we doing decals?
John (To Us): Yeah, we're doing decals.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Cyproiean confirmed with Ninja Div that they were doing decals back at Adepticon. So I kind of see this one of those "we were going to do it anyway" stretch goals. Still, nice to see it confirmed as a promise to backers via KS.

Did they confirm it? I thought it was more of a "we'd like to, but we'll have to see" sort of things.

Me (To Chris): You guys going to do decals?
Chris (To John): Hey John, are we doing decals?
John (To Us): Yeah, we're doing decals.

In the main box set for free, or as a separate purchase?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Cyproiean confirmed with Ninja Div that they were doing decals back at Adepticon. So I kind of see this one of those "we were going to do it anyway" stretch goals. Still, nice to see it confirmed as a promise to backers via KS.

Did they confirm it? I thought it was more of a "we'd like to, but we'll have to see" sort of things.

Me (To Chris): You guys going to do decals?
Chris (To John): Hey John, are we doing decals?
John (To Us): Yeah, we're doing decals.

In the main box set for free, or as a separate purchase?

Didn't get the full rundown for their distribution plan, just asked at one point during the few minutes of free time I had while running my booth at Adepticon.

Thanks again for that, Cyp.

 Manchu wrote:
Thanks again for that, Cyp.

NP, if I have some free time during CMON Expo this weekend, I'll harass the Sodapop guys some more.

Does anyone know if after the 20th can we use the pledge manager to still get showdown or Battlecry or is thatonly avaliable during the kickstarter time period?

I.E. If I put in for the $15 pledge now can I later upgrade that in June to Showdown?

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Thanks again for that, Cyp.

NP, if I have some free time during CMON Expo this weekend, I'll harass the Sodapop guys some more.

Please do.

On the topic of boxes. . . it would be funny if the box upgrade was an SDF-1 or one of the carriers attached

New update, decals unlocked.

Also new force charts with 2 semi-new units.

The AVAC VEF Valkyrie will get a Super variant.
The Officer Battle Pod will get the rocket sled.

No sign of terrain, conventional vehicles or a mini SDF-1


Oh well...

Now I need to see if anyone makes autobot and decepticon decals

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Now I need to see if anyone makes autobot and decepticon decals

I know there were several groups that make replicas of the original sticker sheets, but i'm not sure about making mini-decals.

Interesting... looks like the 900k goal is an add on of objective markers. I do hope the next one is a freebie like more free decals at battlecry or something as that we currently have 4 goals in a row and 100k without any bonuses. And flat 40mm objective marker bases for $15 per pack with only 2 or 3 in a pack? That's more than a bit ridiculously priced.