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Splitting a Showdown with a friend, but I'm wondering what to add on. Almost tempted to just take the Showdown for myself and add a Battle Cry for my friend, however some of the paid add ons do look tasty.

 Killionaire wrote:
This amuses me to no end

Hey! Keep the in-joke an in-joke!

A quick guide to the Veritech

VF-1A: standard model. Single head laser. Used un the show by all the Grunts that you see exploding in the backround.

VF-1J: Officers mech, Two head lasers, one each side. Used in the show by Rick Hunter.

VF-1S: Commanders mech. Four head lasers, two on each side. Used in the show as Skull One, Roy Fokker's plane.

VF-1D: Training variant. Two seats, two lenses on the "face". Seen in the show flown by Rick in the battle of Macross City. In the extended background also used as a two seat Wild Weasel AA suppressor with a backseat WSO.

VEF-1: Electronic Warfare/AWACS variant. Giant radar dish on the back. Seen briefly in the series as a background item and in the Macross movie Do you Remember Love.

VF-1R: Upgraded "late war" variant. Two head lasers and head mounted autocannon. Seen a couple times late in the series.

"Super" Veritech: Any one of the above models with a FAAST pack added that gives it extra armor, more missiles, and large boosters for more speed while remaining fully transformable.

"Armored" Veritech: Any of the above models with an armor upgrade giving it more damage and more missiles, but limiting it to Battloid mode only. The armor can be jettisoned to go to fighter or guardian mode.

Hope that helps some of those going "huh" over some of the discussions.

 Kyrolon wrote:

VF-1R: Upgraded "late war" variant. Two head lasers and head mounted autocannon. Seen a couple times late in the series.

I thought the VF-1R was basically a Palladium 'invention' based upon an animation mistake from a very limited scene late in the series? I don't remember it having a Macross counterpart.

Darn people got my money.
Was of an impressionable age when Robotech came out.

I hope Palladium does not suffer with their incredibly late shipping problems they are known for in the past. I am hoping that since Ninja Division is responsible for the models it is out of their hands.

875K goal met. Armored Valks upgraded to 4 pack. $1M goal announced. 3 FPA in each BattleCry and above. That follows the 950K goal of a free super for BC+. That means at showdown you'll get 2 supers and 6 FPA. Come on people it doesn't get much better than this!

It was also in the Battlecry video game as well. For better or worse, it's a part of the official lineup now.

Great goal for *pinky finger to mouth* ONE MILLION DOLLARS! Looks like battlecry pledgers get a free set of female power armor. This is definitely one that I was hoping for. Combined with the Miriya special character, battlecry pledgers will get 4 FPAs. I'm thinking the UEDF need some elite love after that as the zentraedi seem to be getting all the best toys.

Dammit, I'm in.

Luckily, as I never watched Robotech as a kid, I was able to resist this one - but even then, only just barely!

It is a great deal for fans of the show though, so I'm definitely happy for all of you!

Glad to see the FPA in Battlecry, its just the Armored Valks and Monster that aren't included now, right?

@ alpha: I thought you went in on this a few weeks back?

@cyp: Lancers, Zentraedi Infantry, and Glaug booster pack as well... basically the newly unlocked stuff isn't included. It seems like they're moving along the older unlocks for freebie ideas (and I'm completely fine with that).

 warboss wrote:
@ alpha: I thought you went in on this a few weeks back?

Too many Kickstarters, something had to get cut...

Oh man, this better hit a million soon! Free FPA and a Super Valk, I feel 6 all over again!

Super Valks. . . .oh whatcolors will I paint my many squads. . . hmmmmmmm Red ones, blue ones, green ones, Black and white ones. . . hmmmmm

 Alpharius wrote:

 warboss wrote:
@ alpha: I thought you went in on this a few weeks back?

Too many Kickstarters, something had to get cut...

It's ok... I forgive you. You can always come back if you change your mind if the history of letting new people in with the pledge managers after the kickstarter continues. If anything, the battlecry pledge is turning out to be the best choice for variety at a low cost. It seems like all the stuff in that pledge can be used as is for upgrades for the core set units in the wargame and by themselves in the skirmish game variant.

 Unix wrote:
It probably depends on how much more they add onto the base Battle Cry pledge. Personally I'm teetering on upping to showdown. A few more freebies and my will is sapped.

Yeah, FPA is changing up my math something fierce.

Was set and happy at BC + a pack of Gnerls (round out the squad of 6), a MAC II and a pack of Super VTs (seems to be a popular rounding out, from some other forums I visit). Maybe a quartet of Armoured Battloids.

Now... I dunno. All that for $250, or bump up to $280 (add an extra BC to my current share of my group's Reckless), $20 for Armoured, $40 for a MAC and for $340 I basically get the above minus one Super VT (2 instead of 3) and a HUGE PILE of extras. Hell, depending on the secondary market for the LE figures and/or a base game seperated out from what I bring in, I could feasibly make that much back and more... or get stuck holding the whole thing (not the worst thing in the world either).

And $35 to round out a full squadron of Super VTs... $375 might be a bit more than I should be throwing at this thing.

Back to ebay/Kijiji, time to move more old stuff it seems!

Edit: on the other hand, finding storage and transportation for 150+ figures won't be easy either. Almost wish I had another friend just interested in the Zentraedi forces, so I could split a Showdown with 'em and just load up on RDF forces.

 Alpharius wrote:
It is a great deal for fans of the show though, so I'm definitely happy for all of you!

Not just Robotech fans, but old-school BattleTech players, too. Many of the original BattleTech "unseen" 'Mechs were taken directly from the Robotech/Macross mecha. If you want one of the old Rifleman, Warhammer, Marauder, Phoenix Hawk, Phoenix Hawk LAM, Archer, etc. BattkeMechs you can get them from the Robotech miniatures line.

I'm terribly excited about this KS and foolishly or not I've pretty much dedicated my gaming budget for the rest of the year towards it.

 warboss wrote:
It was also in the Battlecry video game as well. For better or worse, it's a part of the official lineup now.

I'm not complaining, it has a neat aesthetic. I wouldn't mind to have a few!

I will say this much, never before have I participated in a KS campaign that made me desire an 'ignore user' feature more.

Holy crap are some of these guys chatty and/or crazy.

Honestly Forar the crazy has kept me away from Robotech fandom for at least a decade.

Tell me about it. Right now there's a certain person doing a very good chicken little impression about poor rules design. Really? What we have rules wise now was probably scribbled on a napkin over lunch. How he's managed to jump to that conclusion is beyond me.

The video was kinda interesting. Just hope they clarify where on each mecha it's centre is, for the terminally dense TFG's we all love and admire.

Yeah, that guy's special. Apparently it's a rename of a backer who flamed out hardcore one night, took his ball and went home (and then slinked back in and can't help but brag about his $2k backing or whatever it is).

One person proposed a possible rule adjustment and he lost his little mind.

Now they're reveling in all their guns or something. It's getting kind of embarrassing as a bunch of people seem to be trying to 'out-Texan' one another.

Seriously. one ignore function and my enjoyment of KS's would probably double. It's easy to say "oh, just ignore them", but the annoying ones have a habit of posting like 50 times each per day. This comment section is nearing 37,000, and I'll bet you could cut that in half for browsing through or better by ignoring like 5 or 10 of the regulars.

No love for the QF-3000 Ghost?

That's the one thing that hasn't appeared on any of the stretch goals

I don't think the newly released "center" of model LOS will go over very well. They'll have to define it exactly on a picture both head on and profile as well as clarify what happens with normal modeling (like when using the flight bases they're providing). Also, completely blocked LOS denying shots for a Battlepod with a 1/3 of it's volume sticking above cover (using their examples on the white board) is a very bad idea and completely counter intuitive. I fear the influence of Palladium in this newest set of bad and unclear rules, much like with the pointless and cumbersome 5 close combat options on a Valkyrie.

I have to admit, blocked LOS doesn't phase me all that much. I personally prefer that concept as compared to being able to waste something because you can see his forearm sticking out.

Surely there could be some kind of mid point? In my primary game there's just a penalty for trying to hit something with cover and a potential damage reduction effect.

Just make it so if you have 1/2 or more cover the enemy's target number is 1 higher than it'd be otherwise, and damage is reduced by 1 or 2 or something. Enough to reward good cover usage (needing 2 shots from a GU-11 to kill a battlepod instead of 1 would be HUGE), not so much that it becomes "Gears of Hiding Behind Chest High Walls: The Miniatures Game".

They have that in the video. The issue is that if the "center" of a model (like the eye port on the battlepod) is blocked by anything, you don't ANY line of sight and can't shoot at all. In my pic above, despite having a 1/3 of the pod completely visible, the eye and below are blocked so you can't "see" the model to shoot at it.

 warboss wrote:
They have that in the video. The issue is that if the "center" of a model (like the eye port on the battlepod) is blocked by anything, you don't ANY line of sight and can't shoot at all. In my pic above, despite having a 1/3 of the pod completely visible, the eye and below are blocked so you can't "see" the model to shoot at it.

So you're saying I can hide all my pods behind streetlights?

Thanks!

I'll let you come up with the graphic on that one. I don't have the chance to watch the video again so I can't recall if its the eye and below or just the eye that completely blocks LOS. Either way, it's not a good mechanic.

edit: That didn't take long in the comments. There are already suggestions of "just house rule it!" in the typical palladium rpg fan fashion of hand waving away potential and/or real mechanics issues instead of actually fixing the mechanic. That works, right? That's why palladium RPGs are revered top sellers, right?

Malifaux makes no such distinction. It uses the whole base as a target, and if part is obstructed by the right terrain (say, a building) it has cover. You can still hit it, it's just harder to lay into said figure. Doesn't matter if only one leg and an arm are showing and it has its head buried in the latest Robotechnology Almanac.

Like, good if they include cover of sorts, but I really don't want to have to call other friends over to have them eyeball whether or not a VT's head is properly hidden behind a treebranch or not.

I should probably just watch the video when I get home. Just responding to how people are describing it for now. But basically if actual modeling becomes an issue, I forsee a lot of very short bases in people's futures.