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Does anyone know if the VF-IR heads will be available after kickstarter? (please say yes...)

VF-4 at 1.3 million

Some of the point values don't really make sense to me. Seriously Lancers and Ghosts being worth almost as much as an Armored Valk? Lancers and Ghosts were like popcorn, The armored Valk should be more expensive than a Super Valk, the fire power of an Armored Valk is ridiculous, and when the missiles are done you still have a Valk. Why is it so cheap?

 warboss wrote:
Random free bits is still free bits.

Hey, I wasn't complaining. I love free stuff.

 Marrak wrote:
Does anyone know if the VF-IR heads will be available after kickstarter? (please say yes...)

From what they wrote, I believe they're simply being added to the sprue as bits kind of like how you get extra heads on a space wolf 40k sprue.

I wonder how those Zendradi soldiers will look? Could be a cool IG replacement.

 warboss wrote:
Random free bits is still free bits. I certainly wasn't expecting the recovery pods (especially free to the base game). I hate to sound ungrateful but I think they need to buff the human side more instead of the zentraedi. I didn't do the math myself but someone calculated in the comments on the KS that the zentraedi have an over 50% advantage in both points and $$$ value in add-ons compared to the humans. Since I'll likely be providing the figs for both sides in demos I do locally to drum up interest, I'd prefer them to be as close to equal as possible (or at least within 20%).

The balance by physical weight of the box probably still favors the UEDF.

There's a pretty much unavoidable problem, given that you're paying for models, and the Veritech isn't supposed to be stupendous. You either get 21 Valkyries (pointed out to about the same as a Zentraedi grunt) in a single position and a whole bunch of transformation mode markers, or 7 Valkyries (pointed out to be a little bit better) that you swap models for instead of tokens.

You can't exactly expect them to put out a Robotech game in which the Veritech fighters can't run around in all three modes, after all.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
I wonder how those Zendradi soldiers will look? Could be a cool IG replacement.

They'll be head and shoulders taller than a marine, based on the height of a Valkyrie battloid.

So they might be cool Ogryn.

1.2million. simply awesome ND!! Our pledge just got a whole lot better!!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
I wonder how those Zendradi soldiers will look? Could be a cool IG replacement.

They'll be head and shoulders taller than a marine, based on the height of a Valkyrie battloid.

So they might be cool Ogryn.

I didn't know they were going to be that big, that's cool. Worse comes to worse, I can use the valks as Tau suits at that size.

Stella hobby investment:

 warboss wrote:
I didn't do the math myself but someone calculated in the comments on the KS that the zentraedi have an over 50% advantage in both points and $$$ value in add-ons compared to the humans. Since I'll likely be providing the figs for both sides in demos I do locally to drum up interest, I'd prefer them to be as close to equal as possible (or at least within 20%).

I wonder where theyre getting those numbers? I did the points math yesterday and it was 505 to 550, not even but very close to it. definitely not 50% advantage for the Zentradi.

Less than 8hrs to go! Less than 100k till the YF-4 becomes available.


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I'm so confused.

Update #88 seems to be "We want to get into a legal fight with whoever owns Orguss". :(

This is interesting.

The 'rifle' equipped FPAs don't appear in Robotech at all, they're from Macross: DYRL. Does this mean that Palladium has the rights to DYRL stuff? Likewise, VF-4 appears in another Macross OVA, not Robotech.

Also, I think Orguss showed up as a cameo/easter egg in one scene in the background, which may legally make it work under Harmony Gold's crazy rights thing...

 solkan wrote:
I'm so confused.

Update #88 seems to be "We want to get into a legal fight with whoever owns Orguss". :(

The Orguss did appear in the Robotech series towards the end. It was a kind of "Easter egg" for fans so I guess they have the rights to use it. There was also a reference to Captain Harlock as well, the front of one of the Zentraedi ships had the skull and crossbones on it.

Minmei, Rick Hinter and the Bridge Bunnies also make an appearance in the Orguss series.

Edit: I'm not sure what's going on with the pics displaying that way, but if you click on it they'll display normally.

OHHHHH Super VEF. . . . nice!

 Killionaire wrote:
This is interesting.

The 'rifle' equipped FPAs don't appear in Robotech at all, they're from Macross: DYRL. Does this mean that Palladium has the rights to DYRL stuff? Likewise, VF-4 appears in another Macross OVA, not Robotech.

Also, I think Orguss showed up as a cameo/easter egg in one scene in the background, which may legally make it work under Harmony Gold's crazy rights thing...

The VF-4 is shown in Robotech as a model.


Additionally, there's no rifle-equipped Queadluun-Rau in DYRL, the Nousjadeul-Ger carries a rifle:
(you can also see the missile variant DYRL N-Ger in the upper left)

Some interesting previews of experimental mecha. Also, we just passed the first day pledge total with a little over 4 hours to go!

Hey will the Queadluun Rau Upgrade that has been unlocked be added to the FPA that comes with BC or just in purchased extra boxes of FPA?

1.315mil adds the upgrade sprue to the bonus ones. Until then, they only come with the purchased addons.

Wow they have just gone off the script inventing new units. I like it.

I'm curious to see if Robotech can beat the one day pledge total for zombicide 2 of $449k. That's definitely the highest I've seen for a tabletop game offering. If anyone has any higher ones for a minis/board/tabletop game, feel free to post it. We're already within a few minutes of passing the second highest that I know of (Myth).

Less than two hours left.

I am totally not happy about them going off the rails with new experimental units. It is cool from a wargaming perspective to have unit diversity but all the companies involved (with the exception of ND) have a track record for producing mediocre product when they deviate from the source material.

Also Orguss? Wtf... I knew about the easter egg but I really don't think it should be in the game as a fieldable unit. It just doesn't fit.

They covered the mecha other than conventional vehicles that people wanted first which was the priority. After that, what can they do besides coming up with new stuff? Just give away freebies and keep adding to existing boxed sets to cut into their profits? I'm not a fan of the experimental mecha except for maybe the VF-4 and rifle wielding FPA (and wouldn't actually buy them but will gladly take them as freebies) but I'm not going to begrudge them a bit of artistic freedom after a million dollars and 70 updates of nothing but exact renders of the cartoon.

The orguss battloid just became available. Less than 2 hrs to go.

I just like that I pledged $1000 and as the unlocks today keep coming in, I'm actually "getting money back" to spend on other stuff. I had about $30 of "free space" on my calculator, now I have $90.

Before I had to pay for 4 Lancers, now I get 8 for free. So I'll buy the Orguss box for what the Lancer box would have cost me.

Absolute gain in my mind.

I was telling people I would pay for the FPA upgrade sprue last night, now I get it for free.

All is well!

[Edit] If I had to bet on the end amount, I would bet that it stops right around the x2 Extra Ghosts unlock. 1.385m.....

Warboss there are plenty of things that are actually canon that they still haven't brought to the table without stepping into totally new stuff. It seems to me that making crap up is really going to open pandoras box.

It will suck as bad as those old robotech model kits that had nothing to do with the series.

Swabby wrote:
Warboss there are plenty of things that are actually canon that they still haven't brought to the table without stepping into totally new stuff. It seems to me that making crap up is really going to open pandoras box.

It will suck as bad as those old robotech model kits that had nothing to do with the series.

You're just miffed that they haven't come out with that kung fu kyle mini you suggested a few pages back. I don't frankly plan on building any experimentals (except maybe a VF-4 if its a freebie) but I can see why they're padding the goals with bits upgrades instead of new free minis. I don't think they initially expected to get this far frankly.