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Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Seems like true alchemists Palladium have discovered the Philosopher's Stone which transmutes pure nostalgia into cold hard cash....

Considering the quality of rules and cost of 40k these days, Palladium is not alone in finding that Philosopher's Stone.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Forar wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:



Because who doesn't love a mech that generates speed lines while standing still!

... what the hell did I just watch?

It's the really poorly designed Mk1 Monster from a rather mediocre anime called Macross Zero. It's supposed to be the precursor to the Mk2 Monster, but honestly, you should just ignore it. The Mk1 has stupid robo-claws for hands, the Mk2 has arms that contain missile tubes that fire reaction/reflex 250kiloton anti-warship nuclear missiles.

If by poorly designed you mean AWESOMELY designed then yes you are right.

How can you not love a mech that has to grab onto something so its recoil doesn't knock itself over!

While the Mk2 has more firepower, I love that clip for the power it conveys.






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 warboss wrote:


Edit: out of curiosity...why did this KS thread get turfed hours after the end but we still have mantic ones months later and myth weeks later still in news and rumors?

Moving forward I recommend:
This thread continue for KS news ie pledge manager
Start new threads in Misc games for discussion of rules, terrain etc.
Start a new thread in News and Rumors when there's news of general interest ie retail release or expansions.

And if there are threads for expired KS campaigns, just alert the mods.

 warboss wrote:
@Forar: I don't know how long the robotech figs will take to paint compared with other lines. They're bigger than most figs so that takes more time but they don't have the ridiculously unneccesary bling of 40k figs (or frilly lace of malifaux!) which saves you some time. I'd probably put them around the same as Heavy Gear fire support figs which can take a while.

I'm sure it won't be terrible, but accounting for removing the pieces from the sprues, trimming, gluing and attaching to bases alone, I figure 145'ish figures will take hours and hours and hours alone. Add in some bulk priming (not too time intensive, but I might want to invest in a quality medical mask that day) and even just getting base colours, I imagine it'll take a while.

I do agree that it probably won't be nearly as fiddly as, say, individual Malifaux figures, where I'm basically 're-inventing the wheel' with every figure, but even bulk production I imagine will take a while.

And then there's basing. So much glue. So much sand. And other random stuff.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
If by poorly designed you mean AWESOMELY designed then yes you are right.

How can you not love a mech that has to grab onto something so its recoil doesn't knock itself over!

While the Mk2 has more firepower, I love that clip for the power it conveys.

The 'has to grab the ground to brace itself' wasn't that big a deal.

It was more the little girl standing next to it and the people floating in the air being shot at. I'm sure it's perfectly reasonable in context. Out of context, it was sort of a "waitwhat..." kind of moment.

I do agree that it probably won't be nearly as fiddly as, say, individual Malifaux figures, where I'm basically 're-inventing the wheel' with every figure, but even bulk production I imagine will take a while.

For the basic pods, yes, but the veritechs, will probably be pretty fiddley depending on how you paint them.

You have to paint Rick and Roy like the show, then there is Max (A and J) and Myria, Ben, and Jack Archer.

I plan on painting most of the fighters all different. One squad will be the transformers squad with Jetfire, Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker. Of course I will have Skull squadron and Vermillion squadron. Have to think of other color schemes. I wonder how they would look in brushed aluminum, like Korean war era fighters.

Zentradi and battaloids should go pretty quick though.

I guess you could paint them like this, but you know they are just going to get killed with this paint job, as soon as you saw this paint job you knew they were redshirts.

Paint times vary from person to person obviously, but painting Mecha/Vehicles en masse is hell of a lot easier than painting infantry en masse. Not the eyes, the EYES!!!

Also it's more of a skirmish game so you can get painted games going pretty quickly, and add/paint models to the army as and when you see fit. You don't have to paint all 145 models to field them as a painted army (Foot orks, I'm looking at you.)

Although having to paint three types of a single model to be able field it painted should be an interesting experience... as well getting the decals just so so you can't tell the variations in transformation, although I think constantly switching models will get tedious for all except the most dedicated Robotech enthusiasts. Good thing I have no OCD.

Paint times vary from person to person obviously, but painting Mecha/Vehicles en masse is hell of a lot easier than painting infantry en masse. Not the eyes, the EYES!!!

Yeah, but at least with lets say guard you have one color scheme. Which I guess you Could do with the Veritechs. But if you want squads that look like this



It's going to take awhile.

Actually, starting with the skirmish version so my friends and I can start figuring out the game without having to feel like we'll need hundreds of models prepped to play is something I plan on proposing to them.

And as an amateur painter, I'm strangely comfortable with getting to an acceptable level of detail (extra work on Rick/Roy/Max/Miriya in a VT for sure), and I may include some variation in the other dozen or so VT's I'll be working on, which yes, will probably slow me down a bit.

It'll probably work for and against me on a lot of levels, but at least at the size of figures they are, hopefully there won't be too many itty bitty teeny tiny pieces. Wyrd's move to plastic for Malifaux had advantages (improvement in detail in general), but some of their sprues leave something to be desires (apparently something they're aware of and are working on).

Honestly, the RDF forces are the ones I'm most looking forward to playing. I'll build and paint up my share of Zentraedi figures so I can run games on my own, and beef up the numbers on games when we decide to field giant armies on each side, but I imagine I'll be putting more time and effort into the former, and the veritechs alone will indeed be a lot of work per field-able figure.

I am with Forar on this One. RDF has always been my fav!


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Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Paint times vary from person to person obviously, but painting Mecha/Vehicles en masse is hell of a lot easier than painting infantry en masse. Not the eyes, the EYES!!!

Also it's more of a skirmish game so you can get painted games going pretty quickly, and add/paint models to the army as and when you see fit. You don't have to paint all 145 models to field them as a painted army (Foot orks, I'm looking at you.)

Although having to paint three types of a single model to be able field it painted should be an interesting experience... as well getting the decals just so so you can't tell the variations in transformation, although I think constantly switching models will get tedious for all except the most dedicated Robotech enthusiasts. Good thing I have no OCD.

I highly doubt people will be transforming THAT often but meh, I wont mind.

Ontopic of painting, I am buying a airbrush just for Thia!

Digital camo all the way baby. Its going to be soooo sweet when we finally get our hand on these figs.

 Sheep wrote:
Digital camo all the way baby. Its going to be soooo sweet when we finally get our hand on these figs.

How can you put camo on Veritech? Having to put the exact camo on each of the modes and making sure they match would be a nightmare.

 Sheep wrote:
Digital camo all the way baby. Its going to be soooo sweet when we finally get our hand on these figs.

Sir, I applaud your dedication and madness!

Then again I am basing my VT on this:
http://tan-j.blogzine.jp/web/vf-1a/vf1_wip261.jpg

So if nothing else we can game in the aslyum!

Amazon hasn't charged me yet. I'm kind of suprised. With most KS I'm charged day of but not this time. Anybody else experience this?

 dalsiandon wrote:
Amazon hasn't charged me yet. I'm kind of suprised. With most KS I'm charged day of but not this time. Anybody else experience this?

That's not a good sign. You might want to check your KS settings and make sure your pledge is there and your amazon settings are correct.

I was charged within 2 hours and got the email confirming the payment going through before I hit the sack the night the KS ended.

 warboss wrote:
I was charged within 2 hours and got the email confirming the payment going through before I hit the sack the night the KS ended.

That's what I'm use to experiencing as well. According to my bank there hasn't even been a withdraw attempt for my pledge amount from Amazon or Palladium. My Amazon payment info is current. I'm sending a message to Palladium to ask them.

I was charged within an hour or two as well.

Check your email spam folder? I once had an issue and Kickstarter/Amazon will email you say there's been an issue and ask you to rectify the matter. In my case, it was due to having my new CC come in during the course of the campaign, so the old number wasn't valid anymore. Got that sorted out and within a few hours the transaction completed successfully (if not less, this was sometime last year so the exact particulars are a bit fuzzy, I was just happy it was resolved so quickly and easily).

It's going to be a mission that's for sure, airbrush to the rescue!

I was charged within 2 hours too.

 Sheep wrote:
It's going to be a mission that's for sure, airbrush to the rescue!

I was charged within 2 hours too.

Did you pick up any of the digital cammo masks from combat wombat (or was it armies armies... I forgot which 15mm company did them) when they were out to make your life easier?

The ones from critical mass games? At the moment I haven't sourced any masks yet, its not really a priority til the minis are closer to release.

I've never heard of anything from a company called combat wombat, got a link?

Some inspiration...

Woodland Camo Valkyrie http://dennis-toys.blogspot.com/2008/12/yamato-148-vf-1a-jungle-camouflage.html

Alaska Base Valkyrie http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=39189

Low Visibility Valkyrie http://news.toyark.com/2009/06/26/yamato-macross-160-vf-1s-low-visibility-new-images-1399

That woodland camo one looks a lot like an Australian F-111 to me, which is cool as hell!

The low vis one is cool too, though I think it might be a bit boring for a whole army/squadron. Maybe if you incorporated elements from the F-22, with the darker splodges on the wings it might make it more interesting.

I was thinking of doing something in colours similar to MARPAT, but realised that makes not sense as a camo pattern in space. But then camo doesn't make sense in space anyway.

I may do it in a desert MARPAT, and add some grey to it, to give the sense of being an urban scheme, without being dull

Just some thoughts I was thinking out loud as I typed..

A trans-atmospheric fighter would adopt a camo scheme based upon what type of camo would be correct for where it was fighting on the ground. In the instance of VF units, that camo sceme could be properly based on what it looked like in battloid mode.

Worries about camo schemes being appropriate in space combat have very little validity due to the distances that space combat is likely to take place at. If an enemy is relying on a visual, especially an unaided visual, he is wasting ammo on a garanteed miss. If he requires a zoom function to let him know when to pull the trigger, he's only giving his opponent more time to dodge.

OK, so I'm only painting my pledge to the colours seen in the show, but when they hit retail and I get more, I may be spreading out different camo schemes to different units.

Any ideas when the survey will come out?

I'm assuming 2 weeks after the campaign ended, so Monday June 3rd I'm guessing. That's when PB/ND get the money from Amazon Payments, I think they're using that to get a feel for what they need, and then they open the pledge manager shortly thereafter and let people finalize their orders and add some extra cash for more add ons/additional tiers.

They've said the pledge manager will be open for about a month, I'm guessing most of June until early July, and they've said that production would begin around a month and a half after the campaign, ie: early July.

Assuming everything is still on schedule, it'd all fit in together nicely.

Yeah, they won't know how much of the original pledged amount went through until 14 days after the KS as pledgers have 14 days to get their card/finances in order if there was an issue with the original attempt at payment. While I'm hoping that we'll hear from them this week with an update on some of the models that didn't get renders, I'm not necessarily counting on it. Also, around two weeks post KS will also be the time they're supposed to be judging the Design an Ace contest entries so hopefully we'll get one heck of an update then.

Went to "Anime North" and got to see the Palladium booth and even got to talk to Kevin for a bit.
No real hard information to go on other than those models are fantastic they have to play and on display.
They are molded parts from the 3D printed models.
If the detail is half of what it is now I would be happy.
Kevin seems quite determined that the dies will turn out the same result.

Good News to me:
This is a personal opinion only based on a short conversation, seems Kevin just has a huge commitment to the best product he thinks he can get. He admits to mistakes so I do not get any of the vibe of him being a flaming narcissist like in some forum posts. More like a manager that has a hard time letting go when big projects are at hand.

Bad News:
Was told that they feel it is a 50/50 split in the model development with Ninja so I hope their project timeline planners are not shared...

I am bracing for an Easter 2014 gift for myself due to the huge success of the kickstarter (expecting bit more than they could chew). It is a challenge. I like it when I am wrong. Valentines gift if they run to typical schedules. Christmas as planned if Kevin has kicked the monkey off his back.

I want this game, nostalgia still does not cover that the veritech fighter is still the coolest looking stomping robot out there.

 Talizvar wrote:

Bad News:
Was told that they feel it is a 50/50 split in the model development with Ninja so I hope their project timeline planners are not shared...

Not sure how that works. Palladium has zero experience in 3d modelling and their most recent additions to their minis line has a decidely mid-90's quality and look to them. I guess they could just hire people but I'd prefer if they didn't just learn as they went along. Prior to the KS they said 90% of the work was done... hopefully that wasn't just inaccurate PR like the Northern Gun books being in the "final stages of development" a year ago when they were crowdfunded.

 warboss wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

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Not sure how that works. Palladium has zero experience in 3d modelling and their most recent additions to their minis line has a decidely mid-90's quality and look to them. I guess they could just hire people but I'd prefer if they didn't just learn as they went along. Prior to the KS they said 90% of the work was done... hopefully that wasn't just inaccurate PR like the Northern Gun books being in the "final stages of development" a year ago when they were crowdfunded.

From the mouth of the guy in charge, but we are in VERY early stages where sprues have not been figured out so this is going to be exciting.

I have had more than a bit of experience in supplier development so I hope some of my questions on the timeline and operations in between was of some assistance to the guy: he has a ton to do in the next few months.
If I can get big industrial steel castings from China on time, he can do better. (choice of model density per injection mold will be key for production schedule = small die/long run = big die/short run).
Man hours long term will cost more (China can distort that to some degree) than the bigger expensive die.
Hope they got a smart tool and die guy to figure all that out based on the pre-order selection.

Well. . . taht sounds like fun. . . we shall realy see when the final tallygoes through, Since Battle Cry was such a great hit that is a LOT of free models getting out. . .

 Sheep wrote:
The ones from critical mass games? At the moment I haven't sourced any masks yet, its not really a priority til the minis are closer to release.

I've never heard of anything from a company called combat wombat, got a link?

I just checked and the masks were from Critical Mass games.

Combat Wombat is a 15mm sci fi company that has some intresting items. They also do a nice brass turned barrel for 15mm tanks (no annoying seam lines to deal with) and some cool walkers.
http://combatwombatminiatures.com/ if your still courious.