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What, no one's gonna Nerd Raeg and back out because Harmony Gold sued Hasbro over a toy?

I want my DCM money back, you disappoint, DramaDrama.





In all seriousness, do we know how long the Pledge Manager is gonna stay open? I wanna spend some money, but broke until the middle of next month.

 Forar wrote:

btw, according to a Facebook comment, the Pledge Manager lockdown date seems to be August 31st.

So...a little while yet!

Sweet.

 Platuan4th wrote:
What, no one's gonna Nerd Raeg and back out because Harmony Gold sued Hasbro over a toy?

I want my DCM money back, you disappoint, DramaDrama.





In all seriousness, do we know how long the Pledge Manager is gonna stay open? I wanna spend some money, but broke until the middle of next month.

That's Harmony Gold for you. Hasbro did make it look too close though with the paint scheme.

I'm more offended by the price of some of the things coming out of SDCC on Ebay, lol.

Which reminds me I'll have to obtain another LE figure off of Ebay for asinine amounts of money.

Unless Forar is going and picking us up some extras.

Gencon?

I wish I had that kind of cash to spare.

But if they swing through Toronto for Fan Expo in August, I'll be sure to say hi for the fine folks at Dakka!

I'm actually close enough to drive to Gencon this year.

Alas, I'm going to Florida for a week.

 Platuan4th wrote:
What, no one's gonna Nerd Raeg and back out because Harmony Gold sued Hasbro over a toy?
I want my DCM money back, you disappoint, DramaDrama.

I really have to laugh, that toy makes hardly any attempt to be different.
No nerd rage here when people do really stupid things (It is like they were begging to get nailed, maybe looking for a lawsuit for publicity?)

Something that people need to understand is that, at least from what I've seen of US Intellectual Property/Trademark/etc law, you often need to actively pursue possible infringements, otherwise those can build up as a defense whenever you do decide to pursue something serious. "Why the big deal now? They didn't care when Chasbro was making Brobotech figures!"

Don't get me wrong; I'm also aware that a good many people (and entire industries) are swapping simply silly amounts of money between patent trolling and illegitimate claims and flat out shenanigans, but it's not always purely black and white.

So, nope, no nerd rage here. That fighter is *awfully* similar to a veritech, right down to the colour scheme, and given that this is Hasbro we're talking about, you'd think they'd have learned their lesson with Jetfire.

Hell, first glance at the picture, I thought it was a re-release of Jetfire and got excited! Then I saw it was a GI Joe vehicle and my care-o-meter dropped to zero.

In other news, the recent update actually references the Max/Miriya limited edition Gencon figures. It'll be interesting to see how right those were that said "only a few people were bothered by it" now that everyone (who bothers to read updates) has gotten the word.

Honestly, the issue is resolved for me, but it's still a /popcorn moment all the same.

In actually important news, there's a wee minor detail that they glossed over when they said that "any tier could be used as an add on"; you need to pay the S&H on that tier as well. So Showdowns and Recklesses are still great for international backers looking to save a little, it means that going above 4 boxes in an order just got $30-50 more expensive, which is a shame.

My crew will likely just eat the extra $50, as we're up to 6 boxes between the three of us and are pondering going up to 8.

But still, that stings a little.

Better that they warned us with 5 weeks left, rather than near the end, but all the same, this kind of info should probably have been given at the start of the campaign.

Got my pledge level adjusted, sticking with just Battlecry + the SDF.

The Objective markers are regular release, right?

 Forar wrote:

we're up to 6 boxes between the three of us and are pondering going up to 8.

Wat.

That's redonkulous.

Admirable, but redonkulous.

I applaud you, good sir.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Forar wrote:

we're up to 6 boxes between the three of us and are pondering going up to 8.

Wat.

That's redonkulous.

Admirable, but redonkulous.

I applaud you, good sir.

Hah, thanks, it's something we've waffled on for a while.

One guy is "all in", grabbed a Showdown (2 boxes) at the start and wanted a bunch of add ons that are found in the Battle Cry, so for basically the same price we just upped him to 3 boxes and called it good. Another member of my group is in for a box, and it looks like I'll upgrade him to 2 as a Christmas present. I was originally in for 1, jumped up to 2, and if we're already at 7, might as well just go to 8 and sell off most of the final box to recoup some costs.

I figure that even at a massive discount (1/2 - 2/3 MSRP, depending on supply and demand) I should be able to make back at least the cost of the final BC plus a little, assuming the game doesn't completely and utterly tank in the area (prefer to sell locally if possible, but some of the rarer stuff might end up on ebay to attract a wider audience). It's a gamble, and probably not the wisest thing I've contemplated lately, but there's the small possibility to even put a dent in the cost of my pair.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Got my pledge level adjusted, sticking with just Battlecry + the SDF.

The Objective markers are regular release, right?

Did not see the SDF-1 till now. I may have to add the Macross to my kickstarter pledge. I wonder how big it will be. I know it won't be to scale with the other miniatures, which makes me sad.

I believe they said the SDF-1 would be about 3" tall.

Waaaaay out of scale, but you could say it was in scale in the distance and put it on a shelf in the background. That would be kind of fun (I have no idea how far away it would need to be for this to be true, maybe across a basement?).

And no, as far as I'm aware, the resin objective markers are KS/Con only.


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So, it appears they've changed the description of the Battle Cry box;



I've bolded what I feel to be the pertinent changes; it looks like we're getting the "experimental bits" included for all 4 figures that were going to have them.

The slightly less good news is that they appear to have changed their minds on the "making it so you can build any combination of Defenders/Tomahawks you like" from the base destroid set. I guess I talked about magnetizing to let me choose to use whatever combo I wanted that day a few too many times. >.>

I was never really all that enthusiastic about the experimental stuff, but it makes a lot more sense on the production side, it opens up some options for gameplay (and magnetizing >.> ), so overall I'm mostly indifferent but see some possible up sides, we just don't have enough information to really know.

I am waiting on a reply but as an international backer I want to be absolutely sure about these extra shipping costs - I upped to SD from BC but now I got a little extra cash was considering another BC on top of that. They do appear to have contradicted themselves.

Back in Update 9 in the comments someone specifically asked about the charge for multiple pledge levels. The clear unequivocal reply from "creator" Palladium books was the charge would levied at the cost of the highest pledge and not for each level pledged


Minor quibbles I suppose but still eagerly awaiting this one, it has been a long time coming.

As I was going in on the Rick Hunter level, but also wanted the other character models, I asked about adding shipping charges to each. I was told that no, you paid shipping on what you originally pledged for, and add-ons were included in that cost.

So I jumped on all the characters, as I am only going in for the models. I had already filled out the pledge manager, actually adding in the VEF-1 and YF-4 boxes, and was not charged any more for postage. So if they want any more money now, they can go whistle.

I asked about the postage before I went in as far as I did, and got the reply "You won't have to pay more postage", the pledge manager didn't charge me more postage, so they've had enough chances.

No, the position with "add ons" has not changed

What has is that there is confusion that additional "pledge" levels " eg Battlecry and Sowdown are on the pledge manager as "add ons". Then appear to show that a charge will be levied for International postage if you select one.

So if you take 2xBC on the manager you get charged $30 on each, but showdown which is the same is only $50. I am hoping it is just the backerkit tool that is causing this

My understandng was that you paid a tariff based on the single highest level "pledge" you took.

It's also led to this weird situation where 3, 7, 11, etc boxes have higher S&H than 4, 8, 12, etc.

1 box (Battle Cry): $30
2 boxes (Showdown): $50
3 boxes: $80
4 boxes (Reckless): $50
5 boxes: $80
6 boxes: $100
7 boxes: $130
8 boxes: $100

O.o

It'd be easy enough to fix though; create another pledge level and add on level for $390 that has 3 boxes and $50 S&H.

As it stands I would probably go with 7, but because of the extra costs, I'm stuck either pondering 6 (a little beneath what my crew of 3 wants) or 8 (basically left with an entire box to sell off, assuming there's a market for such things. Even if there is, that's a bunch of models to move to recoup costs).

I'm thinking they finally worked out how many boxes/add ons they could fit in a large USPS Flat Rate Box and realized "Oh god, some jerkhole in Australia ordered like eight Recklesses, we'd spend a couple hundred just shipping her order over there!"

Oh well, updated from two Battle Cry to Showdown (hopefully if email was received).
Will spend an extra $20 (from $30 to $50 shipping).

This still feels like one of those ebay shipping cash grabs no matter how justified it is. They are only human but figuring this out days from locking in is nasty for both parties.

I don't know if its the average paintjobs or the always 100% best EVaR1! proclamation typical of palladium press releases, but I'm a bit unimpressed with the mecha in the pic from the latest update. The updated Force Org coming this weekend (hopefully) is good news though.

It is not the most impressive of photos is it?

The paint jobs do not seem to be much more than flat painting, no discernible highlighting or shadowing and the camera angle is all wrong. It looks down at the minis on an angle so if there is details it is difficult to make out.

I am not the world's greatest painter but if you are demoing your new game, I would think you might have taken that extra step.

Still fingers crossed when we find out for real at hthe end of the year.

TBH, those models are going to get trashed by the end of the show.. there is not much incentive to really make them be *that* great. They will most likely have a display case of models that won't be destroyed by the masses.

 Cyporiean wrote:
TBH, those models are going to get trashed by the end of the show.. there is not much incentive to really make them be *that* great. They will most likely have a display case of models that won't be destroyed by the masses.

I don't think anyone is expecting the demo models that will be handled by the unwashed masses to be *great* but I'm suprised as how muddy the above really are as I'd rate them at the low end of tabletop. I guess it really shows how accurate palladium press releases that praise everything to the heavens are.

 Cyporiean wrote:
TBH, those models are going to get trashed by the end of the show.. there is not much incentive to really make them be *that* great. They will most likely have a display case of models that won't be destroyed by the masses.

You'd think then that they might have used a photo of the ones from the display case for promotional purposes, instead of the public demo ones.

NTRabbit wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
TBH, those models are going to get trashed by the end of the show.. there is not much incentive to really make them be *that* great. They will most likely have a display case of models that won't be destroyed by the masses.

You'd think then that they might have used a photo of the ones from the display case for promotional purposes, instead of the public demo ones.

Agreed!

For those who haven't checked their email/updates lately, the latest one indicates that we may get a set up updated Force Organization charts today (well "this weekend" but seeing as saturday is over, I guess the hope is now on Sunday).

 Forar wrote:
For those who haven't checked their email/updates lately, the latest one indicates that we may get a set up updated Force Organization charts today (well "this weekend" but seeing as saturday is over, I guess the hope is now on Sunday).

As this is Monday, I'm not sure we'll see it anytime soon.

Especially with every game company preparing for trips to Gen con.

Well, they did say "hopefully" for this past weekend. It's possible they just didn't get the finishing touches on and we'll see it today or sometime this week in general.

"Small company" as PB and ND might both be, I'm assuming they're not sending every last person to Gencon? Surely someone will be in the office, manning the phones and working on odds and ends.

But I certainly concede that we might not get much more out of them until after the weekend.

Oops, nope, they'll all be sick with con crud then.

Maybe the week after?

Nops, probably catching up on the backlog of work from the weeks leading up to Gencon that got put aside.

Look, basically, I remain hopeful we'll see the updated Force Org charts sometime before the Sun goes nova.

That's about my opinion of it.

I was hoping the last update was more than just a 'give us money' ploy.