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**Balance**

rigeld2 wrote:
Wait - minis that weren't the con special max and miriya?

Might have been... I didn't look closely.

**warboss**

No, I suspect he means the con special max and miriya. There haven't been any reports from any of the die hards about anything else getting out on the market (except for resales of the previous adepticon special mini).

**Forar**

Yeah, there are currently 3 minis 'in the wild';

A pewter battlepod that was released at Adepticon.

A pewter veritech ("Max") released at Gencon.

A resin (and pewter?) Female Power Armour ("Miriya") released at Gencon.

Not sure of numbers on the first, but I don't believe it was a huge supply. Only 500'ish of each Max and Miriya should be out there.

None have stat cards. They're less game pieces and more collector's items, though I'm sure there'll be some who do proudly play with them when the game goes 'live'.

There are some prototypes (material uncertain, 3D printed perhaps?) of other figures, but that's about it.

**judgedoug**

Hey guys,
sorry, I'm currently on vacation right now and have barely been hitting Dakka.

I posted on the KS comments "Man, the Robotech rules are really really clunky. I have a feeling I'll be using Battletech Alpha-Strike as the ruleset for my Robotech minis."

I didn't have a demo at Gencon (I didn't go to Gencon), I tried to solo play at home using the rules originally posted on the Kickstarter and I did not have any fun. There's too much dice rolling for individual units, thereby limiting it from being a viablelarge scale battle system, but the details felt lacking for a skirmish scale battle. It's like some sort of half-baked inbetween.

Now, perhaps the rules totally changed since then for the Gencon demos, but I don't think they have. And if they haven't, I'd rather use Alpha Strike with custom unit cards, as it plays faster.

**Forar**

Fair enough. The KS rules are months old and specifically ignore a lot of mechanics, but I can understand an expectation that the bare bones version of the game should be fun, and not enjoying what you saw.

And since I doubt many people check the Palladium weekly updates, there was a tidbit included about RRT:

"UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Molds are being made in China. We’re still on track for a November or December release. The BattleFoam bags should be able to hold a full set of Battle Cry game pieces. We’ll try to have more news and details about this exciting product line in the next Weekly Update or two."

**Azazelx**

Project Update #109: Gen Con Pics and Super VF-1Ds
Posted by Palladium BooksLike
Hey, Wayne from Palladium here.

First, I know many of you are anxious to hear about the VF-1D/VEF-1 pack, and how Supers will work. The latest from John at Ninja Division is that the pack will contain two standard frames that can each make a VF-1D or a VEF-1 in all 3 modes (so 2x VF-1D, or 2x VEF-1, or one of each). It will also contain the parts to make two Super VF-1Ds, in addition to those two standard Valkyries.

Technically, there is no Super VEF-1 in Robotech® RPG Tactics™. Our license does not allow it. (Sorry; we were disappointed, too.) However, if you make one or both of your standard Valkyries from the pack into VF-1Ds, there is nothing to stop you from using the leftover VEF-1 parts and making one or two of your Supers into VEF-1 versions for display purposes.

At this point, we do know that the standard VF-1D/VEF-1s in the pack will be made from the same plastic that the rest of the regular game pieces will be made from. However, there is the possibility that the parts to make the Super VF-1Ds will be resin or metal. I don’t think we've determined that for sure yet, but at one point it looked like the eventual retail version wouldn't contain the Super bits at all, and those would only be included for Kickstarter backers. If that is the case, the Super parts are likely to be available directly from us at some point in the future, but again, that’s still undetermined. Our focus for now has been to satisfy the Kickstarter backers who were counting on their Super versions.

While I'm a mild Robotech fan, via the Animated Series and the RPG in my youth, I can't say I've really kept up on it through the years. Can someone who's more knowledgable post some pics to show what a VF-1D, VEF-1, super-variants of both, (and the specialist parts!) I kinda remember bolt-on thrusters for some, but I really don't recall properly...

**warboss**

Now that Robotech has synchronized the names with the original macross ones, this site largely answers your questions.

http://macross2.net/m3/sdfmacross/sdfmacross-index.html

**Azazelx**

The only one I could find there was the VF-1D. Is the VEF-1 the same as the VEFR-1? And is the "Super" simply the addition of the jetpacks/extra thurusters?

**Sheep**

Yup, from my understanding you got it.

**warboss**

The two electronic variants are exactly the same but they're quite similar both in looks (with a few differences) and their function/role. I believe the exact look of the electronics on their arms are the biggest differences. As for the "Supers", it adds the pieces you got separately in red on the old Jetfire Transformers model. They contain mainly extra maneuvering thrusters and additional missiles.

**Forar**

Cross posted from the other thread to make sure everyone sees this;

I haven't seen an answer yet to the "booster sled issue" (they were listed as available as a solo upgrade to cards that didn't have an Officer Pod in them already, the 'new' force organization charts don't list them solo at all; oversight? Balance change? Who knows. vOv ).

There's also been a heads up on the VEF/1D 'issue'; apparently the pack will contain 2 figures that can be built as any combination of VEF-1's and 1D's, as well as bits (possibly pewter or resin) and other figure parts to make 2 Super 1D's.

Yes, it has been confirmed that as it currently stands, one $35 add on will make 4 full Valkyries. They've also said that they're not sure this 4 pack will be available at retail (might just be split into two different packs).

Weird? A little, given how long this has been up in the air. 4 Valkyries (12 figures) for $35 is pretty damned good, even if I'm not sure how much I'd actually use Super 1D's, I do like the idea of being able to build a pair of VEF's, and more Supers of any kind are just icing on the cake.

**warboss**

That may make me change my add ons. I didn't add anything beyond my initially pledged amount because of the Max/Miriyia BS but I may drop the MAC II for the VEF/D pack if I get two supers in the kit as well. I can go without the MACII for a while and buy that locally when it comes out but the extra supers right out of the gate would be nice for my battlecry pledge.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
From the latest update:

Project Update #110: BackerKit Lockdown Update

Posted by Palladium Books Like

Hello, all. Wayne at Palladium with just a quick update.

We were looking at the calendar today and realized that with our BackerKit Lockdown date of August 31 falling on a Saturday, and the following Monday being a holiday in the U.S., the credit cards of those who spent extra in BackerKit won't actually be charged until Tuesday or Wednesday. That being the case, we decided we might as well give you all a couple more days to decide on your Add-Ons, so the Lockdown date has been pushed back to Tuesday, September 3rd.

That means that if you haven't finished selecting your Add-Ons in the BackerKit pledge manager, you should make sure to do so by Monday, September 2nd, because sometime the next day, everyone's orders will be locked down, and you'll be unable to make any further changes. Once that happens, credit cards will begin to be charged for those of you who spent extra in the BackerKit pledge manager.

And now, since you missed out last week, and since it's been on many people's minds of late, here's a look at the Super VF-1D in Battloid mode. (Don't worry, other modes are coming.)

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Forar wrote:

Yes, it has been confirmed that as it currently stands, one $35 add on will make 4 full Valkyries. They've also said that they're not sure this 4 pack will be available at retail (might just be split into two different packs).

Weird? A little, given how long this has been up in the air. 4 Valkyries (12 figures) for $35 is pretty damned good, even if I'm not sure how much I'd actually use Super 1D's, I do like the idea of being able to build a pair of VEF's, and more Supers of any kind are just icing on the cake.

Isn't it $30 or is there a change I missed?

**UN Test Pilot**

In answer to the Glaug booster sled

Creator Palladium Books about 1 hour ago
@John, The Glaug-Eldare can be fielded as an Elite Core Squadron of 3x Glaug-Eldare for 150 points. Alternately, a standard Glaug can be added to either a Regult Core Squadron or an Elite Core Squadron that doesn't already contain one for 20 points, and in either case, can be upgraded to a Glaug-Eldare for an additional 30 points. So yes, for 50 points you can add a Glaug-Eldare to a Regult or Elite Core Squadron that doesn't already contain a Glaug or Glaug-Eldare.

This was posted in the comments of update #109.

**Forar**

warboss wrote:
Isn't it $30 or is there a change I missed?

Nope, it's $30, I mis-remembered the price. My bad.

Though it does make the pack even better. I'm seriously tapped out where I am, but that's pretty tempting.

And yes, I'm aware that they likely know it.

"Hrm, haven't fed the 'base' any red meat lately... yeah, so we're doubling the figures in a $30 box, and oops, guess we'll just extend that pledge manager period a couple of days, tee hee..."

Don't play coy with me!

And yeah, we got our answer.

No idea why they didn't just include it in Update #110... it's been asked in the comments, their forums and a variety of other places repeatedly since we got the new charts.

**warboss**

Forar wrote:

No idea why they didn't just include it in Update #110... it's been asked in the comments, their forums and a variety of other places repeatedly since we got the new charts.

Palladium. 'Nuff said. In case it's not, they likely got advice not to from the same lawyer that says they should aggressively pursue their own fan sites for conversions.

**RogueRegault**

The bit about "We can't include the Super VEF-1 because of the license." makes me worried about what with happen with the YF-4. Technically they only appeared in fighter mode in the series.

**Forar**

I don't think it'll be a problem, much like the 'experimental' units, it doesn't seem to be an issue if the unit is either entirely made up or based on an animation error (in this case, a fighter that doesn't have a 'canon' Guardian or Battloid mode, by the looks of it from the Wiki?).

Has the YF-4 shown up in any other series? If so, then yeah I guess that could be a problem, but if that's the case than the wiki is out of date and someone should totally go rectify it. :-D

**warboss**

IIRC the "VF-4" shows up in flashback and other macross scenes outside of what was used in Robotech but that is the production designation of the same looking fighter and not the prototype "YF" version. It's nitpicking but I think that's how it squeaked through similar to the VEF.

**Forar**

I've heard that a VEF shows up for a few seconds in the long pan of the arrayed forces prior to the battle with Dolza's fleet, but that's just repeating something from the comments, I don't have a screencap handy or anything.

**Icedman**

Forar wrote:
I've heard that a VEF shows up for a few seconds in the long pan of the arrayed forces prior to the battle with Dolza's fleet, but that's just repeating something from the comments, I don't have a screencap handy or anything.

It does; see the image here for a look

**Forar**

There we go.

Also, there's rumblings on the comments about the Battle Foam bag possibly being a 720 (seems unlikely) PACK, a 432 PACK (more reasonable), or Warmahordes size (a cursory glance isn't even showing this in the list, but presumably it's in that size range).

I really wish they'd at least answer whether or not it's a PACK compatible bag (so it can be expanded modularly as desired) and a rough size. Look, if it's truly a custom run and it's between the 432 and the 720 or something, fine, but at least give us a range, a ballpark. "A battlefoam bag" has an awful lot of leeway present, between "Yeah, I'd rather just pay the extra $25 for a larger standard bag" and "OMG THIS SAVES ME LIKE $100 AND IT'S PERFECT!!"

We finally got some vague force org updates, answered the Eldare issue (in an update comment... *facepalm*) and even beefed up the VEF pack... c'mon guys, bring us home with at least a little Battlefoam info.

**warboss**

Have any of the other game licensed bags ever been PACK compatible? That trend (now that there are probably a dozen or so specialty game bags) might give you a hint. I don't personally follow battlefoam product releases much so can't help you there.

**Forar**

I don't know, this is my first KS with a battlefoam bag. :-P

On the other hand, comments indicate that people have emailed or talked to Battlefoam at conventions, and been told a variety of responses; that it might be a 432, that it might be a Warmahordes bag, that it might be a 720, etc. They could very well just be using those numbers to represent size, but given that a single bag will reportedly hold a "Battle Cry" and there are at least 1,500 (probably closer to 1/3 of the backers, when accounting for bumps up to higher tiers) who are getting at least 2 packs. Making the RDF packs modularly compatible with the rest of the PACK system could be a wise choice if it led to people buying more bags at retail as their collection expanded, for transportation and/or storage.

**Balance**

warboss wrote:
Have any of the other game licensed bags ever been PACK compatible? That trend (now that there are probably a dozen or so specialty game bags) might give you a hint. I don't personally follow battlefoam product releases much so can't help you there.

The Heavy Gear bag is: It's a bit smaller than the regular sizes, but only in depth. The height/width of trays is BattleFoam standard. If I was running a company with a licensed bag, I think I'd prefer this as the 'licensed' bag is a standard size, gets the company name out, etc. while allowing players to move up to a bigger solution later if needed (I personally have a HG bag and a Pack GO and have trays for HG, 40k, and Dystopian Wars that I can swap-in as needed).

**warboss**

I wouldn't assume anything until they publish detailed info (which will obviously be too late for buying at that price). Basically, if you think a battlecry fitting bag is a good deal at that price, get it. I doubt it'll be pack compatible (an admitedly quick look at their licensed bag selection shows they tend to be stand alone bags) so I wouldn't count on that.

**Balance**

warboss wrote:
I wouldn't assume anything until they publish detailed info (which will obviously be too late for buying at that price). Basically, if you think a battlecry fitting bag is a good deal at that price, get it. I doubt it'll be pack compatible (an admitedly quick look at their licensed bag selection shows they tend to be stand alone bags) so I wouldn't count on that.

True. I was just providing one counter-example. I bought a ton of Battlefoam trays last year and moved things like my Sisters over to them so they're better packed for storage/moving and I could throw them in a bag and take'em to a game if I actually got motivated to play 40k.

**warboss**

LOL, I wasn't trying to refute your example as I didn't see you post it but rather was commenting to Forar above. Your post beat mine by 4 seconds to the thread.

**Forar**

Well, seeing as I'm in for roughly 2.5 battle cry's...

**NTRabbit**

Battle Foam Bag Info?

Sorry, not yet. We know many of you are anxious to hear more about the Battle Foam bag, and we are working on getting that information to you as soon as we can. We've contacted the Ninja Division guys for figure dimensions, and we’ll be talking with the Battle Foam folks about materials, maybe P.A.C.K. compatibility, and other options tomorrow or next week. All we know so far is that we've been told it should be able to contain one full Battle Cry reward’s game pieces. We’ll let you know more when we know, and we’re going to do our best to sort it out before the BackerKit closes, if possible.

They've "been told" by Battlefoam the unidentified bag will fit a BattleCry, but haven't actually given the minis dimensions to them yet, and PACK hasn't even been negotiated.

So really, they don't even know themselves.

Also in the same update, Backerkit deadline pushed back a week 'by request', so I'd expect the delivery deadline to start visibly slipping soon as well.

**Forar**

Well, with a target of November for retail, that'd mean needing to ship the boxes in Late Oct/early November to even remotely meet that goal, and the PM won't even end until early Sept...

Yeah, there's still time, but not a lot of it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we heard in the near future that they wouldn't be debuting at Detroit Fanfare at the end of Oct.