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 Cypher-xv wrote:

The delay isn't what bothers me. It's the fact that the naysayers were right about PB employees or people associated with PB, when it comes to how they treat their fans. That is something that I did not want to believe. Unfortunately the weekends events have soured my perception of PB, ND. What brought this to my attention was that fact that several fans have this for their sig:
"I will boycott any books written by posters who make a sport of insulting other posters, insulting your customers is a poor way to earn sales".
That tells me as a customer that PB employees do go out insulting their fans on other forums. Maybe not to their face but indirectly.
Also it's deplorable that PB pissed away either backer money or PB money for what now seems like false advertising for RRT.

IIRC that sig quote is a response to two freelancers (or technically one freelancer and one wannabe freelancer) who go out of their way to conduct "best defense is a good offense" campaigns anytime criticism comes up. I'm not sure I'd consider that "employees" necessarily especially as the most abrasive "defender" is the wannabe. The moderation on their forums is actually quite fair and mild compared to the 4 alarm spicy responses you get from "fans" who are oblivious to anything that doesn't suit their 100% positive outlook. They truly live the 40k Imperial mantra of "Blessed is the mind too small to doubt."

Even with my decidely negative outlook on this, you can't technically call it a bust for customers until we get the figs/rules in hand. I'll maintain a small shred of hope that they'll pull this all of to my liking in the end but I'm already at the point where I don't think I'll go in on future robotech offerings even if the deal is as sweet as Battlecry/Blitzkrieg was. Macross is by and large my favorite and I'll have enough minis to use however I want in the era that I really wanted when this arrives sometime (hopefully) next year. Since I didn't go too heavily into it (see my sig), I should be able to make my money back selling the stuff if it turns out really badly. A well run campaign got me to buy and be interested in a Palladium offering for the first time in years but the subsequent handling has definitely repeated/reminded me what I stopped caring.

It's funny you mention HG about cracking the whip on PB. I posted a similar sentiment on one of their FB postings. To be honest what did happen during the 45 days?

I'm amazed that the update post is on its fourth page now. I'm sure in lil Kevy's mind it's still a dissatisfied 1%. It's frustrating as heck.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
It's funny you mention HG about cracking the whip on PB. I posted a similar sentiment on one of their FB postings. To be honest what did happen during the 45 days?

I'm amazed that the update post is on its fourth page now. I'm sure in lil Kevy's mind it's still a dissatisfied 1%. It's frustrating as heck.

Duh.. they figured out 75% of what they needed to do to set up the pledge manager. After an additional fortnight of 24 hours per day and 7 days a week of effort, Kevin demonstrated the pledge manager around the office and everyone loved it! I swear... I sometimes hear Professor Farnsworth's voice when I read the weekly updates. Good news, everybody!...

Good god man! Lela hurry up and load the packages onto the ship before we'er swamped with raging nerds frothing at the mouth! And when you get to planet nerd, have bender let everyone know that they'll love it.

Annnnd thanks to warboss that's how I'll read every future PB press release/update/news letter.

Though at this point it wouldn't surprise me for the RRT release date to hinge on a battle between the Harlem Globetrotters and a race nuclear powered mutant superhuman basketball players.

Hey Forar just so we'er clear. It's transform then move and shoot with the valks?


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Considering that people are still posting in the update section I hope that someone at PB/ND notices that's it's not a vocal minority now. I see post by folks who barely post if at all speaking up against the BS that lil Kevy post.

So that's what happens when you are not respectful on kickstarter update comments....

Joyboozer wrote:
So that's what happens when you are not respectful on kickstarter update comments....

Eh?

To what in particular are you referring? Some of the more... ah... vehement comments? The "white knights" springing into action (a term I hate when aimed at gender related issues, but seems perfectly fitting for fanboy/company issues)? The beta tester who took things way too personally (and bluntly, I have concerns about the feedback given by someone so emotionally invested in a project)?

Gonna need to narrow this one down a touch.

 Forar wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
So that's what happens when you are not respectful on kickstarter update comments....

Eh?

To what in particular are you referring? Some of the more... ah... vehement comments? The "white knights" springing into action (a term I hate when aimed at gender related issues, but seems perfectly fitting for fanboy/company issues)? The beta tester who took things way too personally (and bluntly, I have concerns about the feedback given by someone so emotionally invested in a project)?

Gonna need to narrow this one down a touch.

I think he was referring to WRRD's emotional, immature temper tantrum. When I see his anagram it sounds like (to me) Ward.


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Oh and Forar never mind MM answered my ?.


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By the way do you guys think PB or nd are paying attention to the comments being posted on the update thread?

Someone is, I can no longer post or see comments.

Guess the shows over. That and PB got the #%$& out of the kitchen.


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Wonder if the next update will be as interesting and just how long will it take to arrive?

Wait I can still see the comments. It could be on your end perhaps?

Yeah, I think I got reported and that's what happens.

What did you post?


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It can't be any worse than everything that's already been said.

I was unappreciative of Kevin and posted "hate".

Post it here. Since Mike is always leaving links back to this thread I'm sure someone there will see it... Eventually.

I kid of course.

My interest is totally piqued.

There've been some fairly vulgar comments made in support of PB, I'm curious how far one has to go in order to get their attention when providing, ah, less than constructive critique.

Wow, this went pear shaped real fast, lol.

I've said it before, I want RRT - I'm fine with the delay (to a point, disappointment is expected) for a good product.

There is a poster in the comments, "Skatman" I think, who asked Does the game even exist?

I had to laugh, then I thought - Does it? No molds, no minis, no rules or cards. Show us some stuff, something real to chew on and I think we'd all be less disappointed with the wait.

Also - someone got banned from the KS comments? Neat!

Joyboozer wrote:
Yeah, I think I got reported and that's what happens.

Now I really want to know what you said about PB an lil Kevy.


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 Forar wrote:
My interest is totally piqued.

There've been some fairly vulgar comments made in support of PB, I'm curious how far one has to go in order to get their attention when providing, ah, less than constructive critique.

It seems that some PB fanboies take after the fine example set by lil Kevy.




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Maybe he posted the critic by Ross Watson. Remember?
http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=607:palladium-booksr-weekly-update-june-7-2012&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183


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Sorry meant this
http://rosswatson.blogspot.com/2012/06/palladium-time-is-now.html

Imagine posting this in the comments section on the ks or at the PB forums.

I've been sayin' it for months now; toss us a stat card and/or character card per week, and I'll settle right down. If there are truly 130 cards (a number they've quoted several times), They could toss out one or two per week for the next six months and only get 1/3 of them out to us. One or two per month even.

I've heard it often said to writers; show, don't tell. Show me what you've done, don't tell me you've done it. Show me it's awesome, don't tell me how awesome I'm going to think it is, I can make that call by myself. Etc.

Well you can still post in the update section. I just saw another post. Just never seen one go this long.

What's also fascinating is that usually the vitriol spills all over the general comments. This time it's pretty heavily focused in the update comments. Comparatively the general comments are just Mike chatting with a couple of guys about tentative rules.

So I'm not the only one who noticed that. It seems that one section is for the "1%" and the other is for RRT.lol

Nevermind I was doing it wrong

Are you sure? I had no access to the comments until a few minutes ago.

Well I posted on the HG FB last night. I left a message for transperancy and better communication.

If we as backers all posted on HG FB and ask not demand change I bet we could all make this a better gaming experience and a better gaming community.

I hate to say it, but it looks like my earlier concerns were correct.

Man... I really wish Kevin Sembieda and Harmony Gold would both lose the rights to my favorite part of my childhood.

Cypher-xv, I honestly do not think they would listen at all. That is the thing that bothers me the most, they really don't care. I feel like (and yeah, that is super subjective) their generation of media/game production was coddled by easy profits and has no idea how to compete in a market with products produced by actual fans.

It's interesting to note that the latest update is at 202 post and only 32 likes. My sincer hope is that PB/ND, and HG finally notice it's not just 1% that are dissatisfied with the reckless way things have been run.

I'd also noticed the likes. While there are several repeat commentators, out of 5,400 backers a mere 0.5% approve (admittedly, 1% would've been funnier).

Those who 'liked' it can probably be ignored outright. Anyone so far stuck up the proprietor's rear end that they 'like' a 2 month delay is probably a lost cause, a fanboy/girl of profound blind loyalty.

Someone in the update section brought this up.

I don't mind delays either. I personally DO mind being mislead, fed spin, marketed too, however you want to describe the behavior that we have seen post-funding.
Honesty goes a long way, spin can die in a fire. Worse is when you get spin that is tinged with insults towards people with valid complaints (IE, kevin calling people who had beef with the convention exclusives childish) from the very people that were said to be taking a backseat in the project right up till it got funding.
I miss the days that ND was in the control seat on this one.

I wonder when Kevin made that comment about the backers that wanted con exclusives childish? I never heard of that. His contempt for us is outrages if true.

Yeah, I've been keeping tabs and I think that one is new to me.