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Palladium is known for producing a set format rule book.
Many different kinds mind you but little different in shape.

Ninja division probably did the designs and broke them down into components readily laid out for dies.

Never heard what was decided for the dies or how complete they are. Once this is done, timeline is pretty easy to figure out.

Wonder if they managed to make the cards "standard" so we can get sleeves (or if they have anything other than prototypes done). I really can see this different but "it should be easy right?" part of the build going pearshaped.

The rule book will do the usual, go through 4-5 revisions with the authors, get handed into Kevin, who will then say "this is garbage!" he will hack, slash and copy paste an all new format and rules within days of launch. None of the index will match the page numbers. He will then change the author to him with honorable mention of the other writers.

I am very interested in the alternate "fan base" rules, I honestly bet they will be better (if not monitored and ripped off shamelessly).

You know, I had all the first edition Palladium stuff, it was really good. After they started publishing new editions I stopped, they really lost their ability to innovate, White Wolf completely blew them out of the water back then and they have barely survived since.

I hoped this new venue would get them thinking of new ways of doing the business but it looks like their method has not changed. Let us hope they do not mess it up so bad they cannot get anything out for the other elements of Robotech or Harmony Gold can find a better place for their IP if they can get their people out of jail.

Here ya go

Meant to say I was interested to see if the fan based rules turn out better than what they publish.

Mike, you have set a high bar...

I don't think it's that high really. I just have played enough that a lot of the blanks are easy to fill in. Don't give me too much credit.

Although if Tactics comes out and the rules are not even close to up to par I will modify them also so that they are up to spec.

Although if I do I know that Palladium will not let me post them for you guys :(

Just post the rules for your 'Super Dimension Tactics' game instead.

Ha! I'm sure they's still try to come after me if all the hype is true. Funny with all the protection they try to place on themselves how it took me only a pair of hours to find all the 2nd edition rulebooks for free download on pdf

 Talizvar wrote:
The rule book will do the usual, go through 4-5 revisions with the authors, get handed into Kevin, who will then say "this is garbage!" he will hack, slash and copy paste an all new format and rules within days of launch. None of the index will match the page numbers.

Ho. Ly. Gak.

I just realized I'll have a Day 1 drinking game.

"Find all the places the rules were cut and pasted from other Palladium books."

It's been a decade since I played regularly and I've sold like 90% of my collection, but I'm pretty sure I went over that material enough to give it a solid shot.

As for the rules, I'm trying to keep my expectations low. I just want them to be Fun, Consistent and Fast, mostly in that order. A little inconsistency can be overcome eventually if they're fast enough and the game is popular enough to have a community that grinds through the sticking points. If it's consistent enough, speed will come eventually.

If it's a Rifts style mess of rules hunting and contradictory shenanigans, we might just have to start up our own little black market.

 Forar wrote:
If it's a Rifts style mess of rules hunting and contradictory shenanigans, we might just have to start up our own little black market.

I could just see the posting for a game at the local hobby shop:

"Robotech Tactics tournament using net rules 1.12B go to the usual Dropbox, if you do not know it, an employee can show you the way..."

 Forar wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
The rule book will do the usual, go through 4-5 revisions with the authors, get handed into Kevin, who will then say "this is garbage!" he will hack, slash and copy paste an all new format and rules within days of launch. None of the index will match the page numbers.

Ho. Ly. Gak.

I just realized I'll have a Day 1 drinking game.

Here's a head start on your friends (besides the obvious close combat extra crap). You can easily dodge 1, 2, or 3 missiles as if they were nothing and there is no difference between the number of missiles. Once that magical 4th missile is fired, you lose any and all ability to dodge. Why? Because that's what Kevin S. came up with in 1985 and there has been no need for change. Heck, if he is still able to wear the same parachute pants and rocking the Michigan Mullet hairdo while talking on his 12lb briefcase cellular radio phone, why bother changing the rules as they're just as modern! That's like saying TSR needs to update the mechanics of THAC0! pfft!

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
If it's a Rifts style mess of rules hunting and contradictory shenanigans, we might just have to start up our own little black market.

I could just see the posting for a game at the local hobby shop:

"Robotech Tactics tournament using net rules 1.12B go to the usual Dropbox, if you do not know it, an employee can show you the way..."

I hope not. At least at that time if the rules suck we can find a hidey hole to use to work on a really good set of rules, probably what it all was Pre_Kevin, and go from there. It would be just like Kevin from what I've read but total BS on Tom who has worked hard to make this all happen.

Mike1975 wrote:
Awesome pic, I love it.

Thanks. I'm not sure if they're only testing it with palladium RPG fans who don't look at how to break the rules (and as palladium 99%er "fans" they're used to finding glacier sized workarounds for rules issues so don't even notice them) but I picked up on that one instantly. The LOS rules are overly complicated (really... they're depending on a fixed "center" of a model that is unique for every single model type and must be defined on two separate planes/images in order to get the proper three dimensional location!?!) yet easily abused. Classic palladium unfortunately...

I immediately changed that to a % of the figure you can see. I use a camera to take a POV pic when needed. I just use a % of the figure that you can see. If people play with anal players than can be fixed too.

So if you cant shoot in HtH does that mean the daedalus maneuver is cheating?

No. The SDF1 was in HTH, so couldn't fire. The Destroids on the Daedalus were not in HTH, so could.

In macross frontier the sniper in the group gets to shoot into HtH. Hopefully one of the writers for RRT is a fan and incorporates it into the game. I doubt it tho.

Well, something positive finally happened for me regarding robotech (although its completely unrelated to Palladium). I've advanced to the next ranking track on Dakka and it matches my avatar. Yay me! Yeah, that's about the only good news so far. We'll see what happens Friday/Saturday with the "weekly" update since the sniffles excuse should have run its course by then and they should have a meatier update... unless someone contracted communicable diarrhea in the palladium offices of course.

They said they 'hoped' (I love the never ending butt-covering done to ensure they have as few actual definitive statements as possible) to have Squadron and Support cards.

I really hope that one or both of those have the possible Unit Upgrades on the back. They talked about those in the early days of the game, but I don't think they've really mentioned them since.

I'm starting to wonder if it's a feature that got dropped for one reason or another (too hard to balance, not enough variety, whatever).

Hopefully we find out tomorrow. If there's an update that is.

Maybe Obama should hire PB for his PR

Mike1975 wrote:
Maybe Obama should hire PB for his PR

I can only imagine how that would turn out.

From PB: Do you need Obama care? Of course you do, it's 98% ready were just waiting on congress to give final approval. Were in need of healthcare as well, so we want to make the bestest health care system out there. Obama care is superduper awesome and everyone in the Oval Office loves it and you will too. We'll have this out by Christmas... Maybe. As we get this done you'll be provided with frequent updates... Maybe.

With much appreciation
PB


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Quick update it'll be ready in time for thanksgiving.

Much appreciation
PB

About.

Fraking.

Time.

Nothing on production, though...

Maybe in the weekly cut and paste we'll see a little something.

But they did say they hoped to have word on production by the end of the month, so I won't start holding their feet to the fire for another week or two.

Gotta say the artwork looks great. Just hope the model looks as good.

Beautiful art work but....is there any card sleeve that big?

The artwork looks nice. I wonder if their version of laminated will be the Kinkos thick lamination that you can use markers on or just the barely glossy version.

Rod wrote:
Beautiful art work but....is there any card sleeve that big?

At a glance, there appear to be large enough 'hard top loaders' (think thick plastic, not really a sleeve, more a card sized mini case) and Ultra Pro seems to sell Postcard sized sleeves that are slightly bigger, though by enough of a margin it might not be ideal.

Personally, worst case scenario, my crew will just treat them like the old massive Malifaux cards and fire up the laminator again.

Wow. Way to fail on standardizing sleeve sizes.

Although MTG has large sleeves for the oversized Commander cards - those might fit.

There are plenty of things to criticize but I don't think a choice of non-standard cards is one of the most serious. Supposedly these things will be laminated so if they do a good job we won't need sleeves and there are some as you mentioned that might work..

 warboss wrote:
There are plenty of things to criticize but I don't think a choice of non-standard cards is one of the most serious.

Then how about this golden oldie.

http://geek-news.mtv.com/2013/04/29/robotech-rpg-kickstarter-2/