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So they can't be half-arsed to take decent photos. Good to know. Unless they're taking them with a analog camera, there's no reason that they couldn't have taken photos, checked to see if they're blurry and then maybe retaken them. It's almost as if they don't have a clue about presentation

That's the custom battle foam? A bunch of squares?
... They're, joking, right?

I'm not sure what you were expecting for the foam.... Simple geometric shapes matches pretty much everything Battlefoam does for game specific bags.

Yeah. If we're generous and assume there are at least a few poses possible, I always figured they'd be like the ones I got with my Malifaux bag; roughly the right size for the base to fit snugly and tall enough for most pieces in the line.

But getting those fairly exacting sizes require things to be fairly far along. For example, the BC bag had to be sized out to account for somewhere around 30 figures that don't even exist yet.

Imagine how annoyed customers would be if they couldn't fit Super VTs in their appropriate slot?

I'm glad I didn't buy in during the campaign, but if they include the figure rectangles as options in the custom foam creator, I could see possibly getting a bag to store and port my stuff around in.

Squares/Rectangles/Circles have been part of their tray creator since day 1.

I've got two trays that are pretty much the same as the ones in the Robotech bag, and I can say this: They are gak. The walls are too thin to provide any support/protection and give way/tear easily.

Is there anything that's unique about the bag configuration? I'm not overly familiar with their lines so to me it looks like their standard bag that's had a logo slapped on it just like any of the ones for infinity, warmachine or any other company. The rest is just squares cut out of the foam, which is par for the course as they offer that for every line or individual that crawls over to BF.

It only took 11 months since the KS? Color me impressed.

 paulson games wrote:
Is there anything that's unique about the bag configuration? I'm not overly familiar with their lines so to me it looks like their standard bag that's had a logo slapped on it just like any of the ones for infinity, warmachine or any other company. The rest is just squares cut out of the foam, which is par for the course as they offer that for every line or individual that crawls over to BF.

It only took 15 months since the KS? Color me impressed.

Pretty sure it is the same bag as the Warmahordes bag.

Haha, I lump Battlefoam right into the same group as PB and ND. I got 6 or 7 of their trays when they first started up, and was really unimpressed. They wrapped my order in a garbage bag, while the glue was still wet and mailed it to me. The mail, in typical fashion, squished the garbage bag wrapped foam, so when I unwrapped it, it was this unuseable ball of . Getting it replaced was a hassle, and I've had an exceptionally low opinion of those douches since then.

But I agree that they have very thin walls, and their toppers are far thinner than what other companies make. Never bought one of their bags, so I can't opine on those.

 paulson games wrote:
Is there anything that's unique about the bag configuration? I'm not overly familiar with their lines so to me it looks like their standard bag that's had a logo slapped on it just like any of the ones for infinity, warmachine or any other company. The rest is just squares cut out of the foam, which is par for the course as they offer that for every line or individual that crawls over to BF.

It only took 11 months since the KS? Color me impressed.

Without them telling us the actual size of the trays, I'm not sure. If you're "lucky", you get a unique size tray for a game specialty bag instead of a standard one. I put "lucky" in quotes because frankly I'm not sure its a good thing to have a custom tray size. If the bag is ever discontinued (or contract not renewed with the game company), they'd likely stop making that size and customers would be SOL as opposed to those who use a standard battlefoam size tray. Other than possibly the tray size, you get some minor variation on the size and amount of pockets, the logo on the front, and maybe a place to put patches (at least the Heavy Gear one had that). I recently got (but ordered way back in November) my super discounted 75% off HG bag. At that close out discount, it was actually a good deal for a custom loadout!


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 Salacious Greed wrote:
Haha, I lump Battlefoam right into the same group as PB and ND. I got 6 or 7 of their trays when they first started up, and was really unimpressed. They wrapped my order in a garbage bag, while the glue was still wet and mailed it to me. The mail, in typical fashion, squished the garbage bag wrapped foam, so when I unwrapped it, it was this unuseable ball of . Getting it replaced was a hassle, and I've had an exceptionally low opinion of those douches since then.

But I agree that they have very thin walls, and their toppers are far thinner than what other companies make. Never bought one of their bags, so I can't opine on those.

They've improved their packing significantly in the meantime. The toppers though, are particularly thin but the foam is sturdier than the GW ones I'm used to so I'm not sure if that makes up partly for that. I haven't actually had the opportunity to use my bag as no one plays HG. My plans to split the bag evenly between HG and Robotech have been stymied by the rolling down the hill delivery date of Robotech.

 Salacious Greed wrote:
Haha, I lump Battlefoam right into the same group as PB and ND. I got 6 or 7 of their trays when they first started up, and was really unimpressed. They wrapped my order in a garbage bag, while the glue was still wet and mailed it to me. The mail, in typical fashion, squished the garbage bag wrapped foam, so when I unwrapped it, it was this unuseable ball of . Getting it replaced was a hassle, and I've had an exceptionally low opinion of those douches since then.

But I agree that they have very thin walls, and their toppers are far thinner than what other companies make. Never bought one of their bags, so I can't opine on those.

I got one of their bags with the KoW KS. It didn't even come with a topper.

I see cheap arse rifle cases being used for these mini's if I get into the game. Right now after reading this thread..I lost much hype and look fondly at me Battletech Mini's....Ral Patha should have gotten trade rights.you bastage cheap arse @&#^*%$ &@^^($)!^^$ @^$^*%%!#*...

The best thing Palladium can do is try and get their communication lines open with their backers and address the concerns that are being posted. Even if their answers aren't what backers want to hear they at least need to know that their concerns are being heard, deafening silence will only serve to make that rift grow and even normally patient backers will start turning negative if it's allowed to continue. Kevin needs to stop trying to over inflate his posts with artificial cheer and jeer of "best mouth watering news ever, 98% done attitude" and just stick to a factual basis and let people know exactly where the project stands. Drop the hype, ego inflation, and spin it'll go a long way towards repairing your relationship with your backers.

If that doesn't happen? the pitchforks and noise at the gates will probably just get worse.

People are willing to forgive a few screw ups if you can man up to mistakes being made. What they won't forgive is trying to pawn things off with feigned ignorance and bliss. Even if you can't fix the delays or issues with the models you can at least fix your interaction with your backers.

I wonder if Palladium will list how many parts are going to be in the box for assembly? That could be frightening if they did.

Any guesstimates as to how many lil bits for the main edition of the game?

I suspect Forar's haul will be OVER 9000! Sorry... couldn't resist.

Across all 8 boxes and the extras?

Guaranteed.

Personally, especially after I sell half of my 3 boxes off? Nah, probably not.

... maybe.

As for the base box? 34 figures? 500-1000.

Hmmm...I think Palladium has figured something out from this last update.

Amazing new gap reducing blurry photo technology!

Are these guys even trying anymore? Seriously.

I think the Robotech RRT has been totally back burnered and set on cruise control. They've got their money...'just shut up and leave us alone already!' Seems to be their attitude.

 warboss wrote:


Without them telling us the actual size of the trays, I'm not sure. If you're "lucky", you get a unique size tray for a game specialty bag instead of a standard one. I put "lucky" in quotes because frankly I'm not sure its a good thing to have a custom tray size. If the bag is ever discontinued (or contract not renewed with the game company), they'd likely stop making that size and customers would be SOL as opposed to those who use a standard battlefoam size tray. Other than possibly the tray size, you get some minor variation on the size and amount of pockets, the logo on the front, and maybe a place to put patches (at least the Heavy Gear one had that). I recently got (but ordered way back in November) my super discounted 75% off HG bag. At that close out discount, it was actually a good deal for a custom loadout!

I have high hopes for the Battelfoam bag, I have a pack720 and shield bag and found the trays to be very good quality for protection and transport of the metal/plastic models. I remember Kickstarter updates had a few mentions of the dimemtion of this bag, now looking at the photos I seem like a reband PACK 432 to me. I recall the bag dimemtion is just enough to use PACk foam trays vertically.

 paulson games wrote:
The best thing Palladium can do is try and get their communication lines open with their backers and address the concerns that are being posted. Even if their answers aren't what backers want to hear they at least need to know that their concerns are being heard, deafening silence will only serve to make that rift grow and even normally patient backers will start turning negative if it's allowed to continue. Kevin needs to stop trying to over inflate his posts with artificial cheer and jeer of "best mouth watering news ever, 98% done attitude" and just stick to a factual basis and let people know exactly where the project stands. Drop the hype, ego inflation, and spin it'll go a long way towards repairing your relationship with your backers.

If that doesn't happen? the pitchforks and noise at the gates will probably just get worse.

People are willing to forgive a few screw ups if you can man up to mistakes being made. What they won't forgive is trying to pawn things off with feigned ignorance and bliss. Even if you can't fix the delays or issues with the models you can at least fix your interaction with your backers.

Hopefully the 10 questions that the KS Backers made will alleviate problems. I don't expect full and complete answers to all the questions, but I do expect some good answers that will help alleviate tensions.

1. Can we get a projected schedule, broken down by dependencies, to allow for product to be shipped to backers before GenCon?
2. How close is the project in regards to completion of the First Wave?
3. The seams in the figures that we’ve been shown appear significant. Is it possible to see versions of the figures that have not been assembled and then disassembled to see how the seams would appear coming off the sprue?
4. The piece-count on these figures seems high, while the options for alternate poses seem limited. Is there anything that can be done to rectify this situation, both to reduce piece-count and increase poseability?
5. Is it possible to miss the GenCon release date, if necessary, to remake the figures with fewer pieces and less noticeable seam-lines?
6. What are the plans to support this game at launch? Will the Megaversal Abassador system be used to help spread and advertise the game? Are the other generations planned for a future release?
7. Can more videos of actual game play be provided? We would like to see videos of games played by experienced testers and players who have only been given the rules with no guidance?
8. Is it possible to have a community organizer interact with us on Kickstarter to provide regular feedback, and not just in the form of updates?
9. What plans are in place to rebuild credibility and goodwill within the backer community?
10. Can we please have detailed pictures of each figure as it gets completed? Both a detailed, assembled 360° set of pictures and also shots on the sprue?

wufai wrote:

I have high hopes for the Battelfoam bag, I have a pack720 and shield bag and found the trays to be very good quality for protection and transport of the metal/plastic models. I remember Kickstarter updates had a few mentions of the dimemtion of this bag, now looking at the photos I seem like a reband PACK 432 to me. I recall the bag dimemtion is just enough to use PACk foam trays vertically.

From the pics, they go in horizontally.

The reason the squares bother me so much is because foam is there to protect the minis. Battlefoam is really proud of their laser cut foam - and they should be.

But anyone can cut squares. The only thing special about thing is the symbol on the bag. Yay.

rigeld2 wrote:
The reason the squares bother me so much is because foam is there to protect the minis. Battlefoam is really proud of their laser cut foam - and they should be.

But anyone can cut squares. The only thing special about thing is the symbol on the bag. Yay.

Right... but they can only do those fancy shapes when you provide them each individually or if the models are preassembled like with X-wing. They have no way of knowing if you're going to choose an awkward running pose or a goofy standing one so the only thing they can do is make a square that hopefully fits most of the possiblities. They know the general dimensions of a battlepod and how many are in a battlecry pledge so they need that many squares of that average size for them, etc.

Well, with the lack of posability we're seeing...

Plus, the rectangle matching the base itself limits how much the figures can move around. Sure, it'd be better to have the holes form fit the pieces, but as Warboss noted, unlike some games, it's a lot harder to be certain exactly which poses or options might be chosen.

If I get around to ordering a custom bag, I'll probably get one tier of pluck foam, and then take some of the plucked pieces to glue into the regular rectangles to provide that extra support once I've determined which will be for Battlepods, which will be for VTs in fighter mode, which will be for Defenders, etc, etc.

But that's going to have to wait at least until I've got Wave 1 in hand, and ideally wave 2.

So, y'know, 2016.

What? They totally could have done detailed cuts for the battlefoam bag. As all the pictures we've gotten so far have been for mono-pose figures. Unless you go for that lock-kneed run pose that they put the Spartan in for GAMA...

/sarcasm/

They have no way of knowing whether you will put ALL of your arms vertically aligned, horizontally, or somewhere in between. Battlefoam had no way of knowing that palladium would choose such rigid part assembly instead of more wargame industry standard dynamic poses. You can call BF's owner many thi gs (alot of them deservedly negative) but psychic isn't one of them.

So why the rush to get the foam done?
The foam is useless without minis.

rigeld2 wrote:
So why the rush to get the foam done?
The foam is useless without minis.

An update in the past already publicly and specifically mentioned that they wouldn't likely get the bags out with wave 1 in may/definitely early june. What rush btw? What possible benefit to either you or BF would be gained by delaying the bags? Whether they get it done tomorrow or 2015, they still don't know exactly how YOU or the other likely hundreds of backers who bought it will individually assemble each and every mini. Despite the multitude of unnecessary parts and lack of posability, there is enough variability between the few goofy poses we can use to exclude custom foam like with Space Hulk or Xwing.

Well, now that delivery is "July, maybe June", perhaps wave one will be more likely to include the bags.

On the downside, it might front load their shipping and handling costs more than just slipping them out at the end of the year with wave two (tee hee).

On the upside, giving the people hardcore enough to pay $100 for a storage/transportation solution might make those people more inclined to use it to play at game shops/tournaments (?), which might help them act as unintentional diplomats of the game (again, from the perspective of PB, who surely believes their pieces are perfect and their game is hot gak on toast), which could in turn boost sales, making it a low cost (they have to ship them eventually anyway) high potential return.

Whether that actually happens or not, of course, remains highly debatable.

In the end, it's one less excuse that palladium can use to blame someone else for further delays.

Well, depends on how many bags were ordered and how long it takes BF to produce them.

Though it shouldn't be an excuse either way, since if the delivery is late, they could always send them out with wave two.

With the backers cranky as they are now (and more showing up every day to say they're planning to contact their bank/credit card for a refund), holding up 5k packages for a couple dozen bags (I highly doubt they were a popular item at that price point and limited as they are in use, specifically one exact Battle Cry of models) would incite some serious ire.