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... Mike, dude, I've played dozens of games of X-Wing. Minor tournaments, planning on playing in a major one at the end of May.

I know what X-Wing is. :-P

And I was more referring to figuring out stats for Robotech fighters in the X-Wing system, which wouldn't be terribly difficult. Assigning proper points values to them would probably be a bit more difficult, but any instance where something could simply be 're-skinned' would probably be the simplest manner, though not necessarily the most accurate way of doing things.

Yeah, VT's would be a nightmare...

hey Forar, sorry about that, the extra detail was for those that are following/reading the conversation.

Ah, well then, now we're on the same page.

... but FYI, X-Wing is, like, one of the most popular games out there right now. Has its own subforum, as you obviously know. I doubt many people were confused by what we were talking about. :-P

Which reminds me, I need to look into a core box for an upcoming tournament. Was hoping to wait for the big Black Friday sales, but oh well, gotta have my own damage deck and whatnot, and I think we only have 4 or 5 across 6 players. Not a big deal though, I'd planned on picking one up eventually, it'll just cost a few bucks more this way.

You looking forward to the next aces pack?

From the current murmur:

http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=143028

Then we came back and did some more work for a couple of hours. Around 6:30 PM we closed for the day and everyone went to Kathy’s house to celebrate Julius’ and my birthdays (which were actually a week or so earlier). Before I left for the party (to which I was late), I had a nice visit with a couple of local, Michigan, fan-friends. We had a wonderful and stimulating conversation about Rifts® and Palladium Fantasy® and "the art" of role-playing. I really enjoy these two people, so it was a lot of fun for me. I even bounced some ideas on them concerning a couple of secret projects, which they loved. They also volunteered to help us ship out Wave One of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ later this Summer. Awesome. We are going to need a lot of volunteers for a couple of weeks to get everything shipped as quickly as possible to our 5,300+ Kickstarter people.

So they raised 1.4 million and still need the support of volunteers to get things shipped out?

Could always put in a call to Manpower or some other labor based temp services, but I don't think they work for hugs from Uncle Kev or the chance to bask in his radiant presence.


Also am I wrong or didn't their last update on Thursday say "spring" for the release date? What changed over the weekend?


http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=717:palladium-booksr-weekly-update-april-10-2014&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183

Yeah. A friend of mine has at least 2 of everything except the Shuttle (just one of those) and like 4-9+ of everything else, so between that and another friend that started collecting, we've got enough for 6 people to field 100 point lists and still have models to spare. I think he actually has around 550 points of each side, including higher point characters and upgrades.

He snagged 2 copies of Imperial Aces, and I think the plan is to get 1 of the Rebel Aces.

The tournament we're going to has prize support including the next wave of fighters, so hopefully across the 6 of us someone will place high enough to earn a new ship for the roster.

The Corellian Corvette looks like it will be a cool addition as well. Once they get all the basic fighters out I wonder in which direction they will take it. A Marauder Corvette would be cool. I always liked how those looked.

Well, they're already dipping into "the Extended/Expanded Universe", so there's some space to work there for another couple years, then the new movies start coming out and they can work with those. If they get stuck, there's always the prequels to look at (we're already looking at older ships with the Z-95, which I believe is the precursor to the X-Wing), and at that point they've got half a decade to a decade of material to trickle out.

If they really really want to expand things, they can simply use a much smaller scale (like 1:1000 or 1:2000 or whatever it would take to make a 1 to 9km long ship fit on a table and not cost $1000) and design a ship to ship battle game with little bases of fighter squads and play out capital ship battles.

Edit: similarly, it'll be interesting to see how much RRT can 'mine' the lore for the other series. As discussed in the past, there's not the same kind of variety in the second series. A bunch of the destroids look practically identical to one another (not nearly as iconic in the way the Rifleman and Warhammer are... ;-), and the enemy forces are similarly identical, other than minor changes (as I recall) and the colour, which is more a paint choice than anything. Oh, and the sleds, but those aren't exactly super sexy.

Which isn't to say they *can't* manage to add variety to things, but the middle generation seems to be kind of the bastard child of the saga, which is why I think trying to combine 2 and 3 into one project might help overcome that, as has been discussed as an option in the past.

Yeah, when I made the 2nd gen stuff I had to use the Robots/Drones for the Return of the Masters book to add flavor to the Masters. Using just Bioroids, even if there are differences is limited. I also added that Bazooka thing the bioroids used in the Sentinels movie.

@Mike
Could you take Jaymz Star Wars rifts conversions and turn them into xwing stats instead? You can look at the rules here.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/support/SWX01_XwingCoreRulebook_lowres.pdf

I spoke to him about them in the FB page. If I do a literal conversion like the rest the X-Wing will do like 12 damage. One X-wing would be worth a whole squad of VT's. So while maybe correct if you think Star Wars as way advanced, you mess with being able to use squadrons of Star Wars fighters. I can do 2 sets if you like but if we use his stats directly the Star Wars stuff is not going to be well balanced in comparison. Take a look at the Keonig monster thread and comments.

Man I forgot about those kits! Are there seams down the middle of everything on those guys?

Too good not to share:

NMI wrote:

Forar wrote:Oh, and NMI trolling their Facebook page with questions about RRT. That didn't exactly help PB's case in my eyes either.

Having the desire like everyone else here and elsewhere about a product I paid for does not equal trolling. I was not belligerent, insulting, abusive or anything else of the sort. I dont see any of the other people who posted to their FB page about RRT getting called a troll.

However, this is all I am going to say on the matter. You are entitled to your opinion of my comments.

My rebuttal:

Then why did you remove them, if you did nothing wrong? They seem to be missing from the page now, and I can't help but notice your FB profile no longer includes your forum handle.

Please. We both know you were trying to start something on that page while they were at Adepticon (and thus had extra traffic visiting them and their pics). And we both know that ND is simply parroting PB's information about the project, so going to them requesting info couldn't have been more transparent.

Even if that were the case, where are your requests of Palladium? I see a lot of updates and murmurs mentioned (yet strangely not nearly as much about the Kickstarter updates on their own page as ND has put up...), and yet no questions for them?

Oh, maybe you've been asking them directly? So why did ND need to be asked repeatedly in public?

"Jeff Nmi Ruiz: Does the gorgeous lady like to play Robotech RPG Tactics?"

"Jeff Nmi Ruiz: So in other words, no updates from Ninja Division"

"Jeff Nmi Ruiz: Yah but it doesn't look like you're acTually supporting or promoting it... unless you're not allowed"

"Jeff Nmi Ruiz: Hopefully we will have some completed ROBOTECH RPG TACTIC MINI's that grossed $1.4 million on Kickstarter"

Who do you think you're fooling?

Trolling is a lot of things, and 'technically not doing anything wrong but attempting to provoke a response' is certainly not an uncommon one. You can proclaim innocence all you like, but you were egging them on, and doing so while even tangentially associated with PB really wasn't the best idea I've seen.

But it's good to know some of the statements and behaviours one might exhibit and not be considered a troll under your moderation. Thanks for the heads up! :-D

lawl.

Link?

That exchange was in private messages.

The sharing of which I normally find a bit uncouth, but y'know what? Not in this case. He was harassing ND on their FB wall and clearly trying to make them look bad while they were at GAMA, so here we are.

If he's so innocent, why are the messages gone (and it doesn't seem to be related a block; they're not there if you check the ND page while logged out)? Where has the "NMI" gone from his FB profile name?

Even if meant with the best of intentions (unlikely), clearly someone decided it was inappropriate.

So don't try to tell me it was all harmless requests for info.

His buddy has been brown nosing on the PB FB page.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
His buddy has been brown nosing on the PB FB page.

I had to go check it out. Apparently the palladium site isn't locked like Mike's robotech one so I can read most (but not all) the comments. Someone should probably mention to the Liam guy who said:

"Plus, I know this much from my time as 2nd Place Holder in Australia's Dream Blade miniatures game, more parts means more "frankenmodeling"; more parts means its easier for me to customize stuff just for fun."

that his experience in a PREASSEMBLED PREPAINTED collectible minis game doesn't translate to any expertise in a traditional one where none of that is done for you ahead of time.

 warboss wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
His buddy has been brown nosing on the PB FB page.

I had to go check it out. Apparently the palladium site isn't locked like Mike's robotech one so I can read most (but not all) the comments. Someone should probably mention to the Liam guy who said:

"Plus, I know this much from my time as 2nd Place Holder in Australia's Dream Blade miniatures game, more parts means more "frankenmodeling"; more parts means its easier for me to customize stuff just for fun."

that his experience in a PREASSEMBLED PREPAINTED collectible minis game doesn't translate to any expertise in a traditional one where none of that is done for you ahead of time.

He's also a firefighter, soldier, writer of Young Justice episodes stuck in limbo, and a host of other stuff. He's basically macguyver.

 warboss wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
His buddy has been brown nosing on the PB FB page.

I had to go check it out. Apparently the palladium site isn't locked like Mike's robotech one so I can read most (but not all) the comments. Someone should probably mention to the Liam guy who said:

"Plus, I know this much from my time as 2nd Place Holder in Australia's Dream Blade miniatures game, more parts means more "frankenmodeling"; more parts means its easier for me to customize stuff just for fun."

that his experience in a PREASSEMBLED PREPAINTED collectible minis game doesn't translate to any expertise in a traditional one where none of that is done for you ahead of time.

Hey Warboss,

The problem I have is that every time I post people who follow me get a heads up that I posted something on the site. Since I have a lot of old friends and professionals that follow me it can be a problem and annoying if the forum was not a closed one. Sorry.

Now as far as NMI, the same day I heard what he did I screen capped it and sent it to PB. NMI blocked me within hours and went on a bit of a rant, so at least it got through somewhat to the PB folks.

Yup, definitely just an interested backer, no harassment of ND going on there. ;-)

@Mike: No worries but thanks for the explanation. I would have thought that there would be a way to classify the online status of various pages and who gets those updates but I guess not. I too am a closet gamer at work so I understand.

@Forar: I don't think it's harassment but I do think he should have also done spammed it on the Palladium site as well. They're just as much if not more (since they're effectively management) responsible.

 stanman wrote:
From the current murmur:
http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=143028

We are going to need a lot of volunteers for a couple of weeks to get everything shipped as quickly as possible to our 5,300+ Kickstarter people.

So they raised 1.4 million and still need the support of volunteers to get things shipped out?
Could always put in a call to Manpower or some other labor based temp services, but I don't think they work for hugs from Uncle Kev or the chance to bask in his radiant presence.
Also am I wrong or didn't their last update on Thursday say "spring" for the release date? What changed over the weekend?
http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=717:palladium-booksr-weekly-update-april-10-2014&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183

What is really funny is by Kevin posting this, he "needs" volunteers specifically because he will not spend one penny outside of his four walls to pack so expect a long delay and a few packing errors.
I could show up to be paid in model sprues and develop a pack system...

I expect them to take months (probably closer to a full season) to get out all the stuff. Palladium has proven for decades (and more specifically over the past year since the Robotech KS) that they are incapable of effectively managing a large project and prioritizing what needs to be done. We'll probably have the whole team packing for a weekend and then the volunteers will tire of the endeavor and stop... a few days later the ninja division folks that are supposedly going to help will go home (assuming they don't distance themselves even further and just not show up in the first place) leaving only the warehouse guy and who ever else is availabe to get packages out after about a week. Kevin will by that time have a new apple in his eye that gets his full attention (at least for a few days like an overactive terrier) and will have left Robotech packing (much like the whole project) to the experts at Ninja Division (who have left and don't care for months) and to his palladium staffer (who couldn't be bothered to properly assemble and base the prototypes for the biggest industry convention). After two weeks, the warehouse guy will probably have to split his time between robotech and the likely mounting up RPG orders to both customers and stores/distributors that need to be shipped since those can still be refunded (which means lost money). After a month, they'll have to start their gencon prep and whoever doesn't already have their robotech stuff will have to wait for another month or so before they start up again (a week or two to prepare, a week of gencon, a week to recover, and then an extra week added on for whatever eye fungus palladium will blame for an additional delay).

When they'll finally get out all the stuff, they'll give themselves a big pat on the back for getting it done so soon months later "for the fans" instead of hiring temp help for a week to just get it out the door. About that time, people will start realizing that their orders are screwed up (it's inevitable with 5,000+ individual shipments) and trying to get it fixed. Of course, by that time Palladium will be in full swing working on the queen of ghouls halloween mannaquin crap and not have time to do much else. That will segway into the inevitable Christmas grab bag hawking that happens for two months and hopefully the first round of screw up corrections will at least get out the door between Halloween and Christmas. That is just my admittedly half glass empty prediction based on what palladium has "accomplished" in the past and just plain common sense. YMMV.

And what about wave two?

Exactly. What about it?

:-D

You know... I'm not worrying about that one just yet. When Jorel is done solving the real world's problems, I'm sure he'll get right on it.

In all seriousness, I'm mentally preparing myself for palladium to never get out wave 2 at worst or at best have it come out sometime around Christmas of 2015 judging from the two year delay on the second Northern Gun book (the closest equivalent we have to a "second wave" crowdfunding project from palladium). Like you've said in the past... if it has taken them this long just to get out the limited sculpts of the first wave, who the hell knows how long it'll take them to get out the lion's share of KS sculpts in wave 2 especially now that ND can't be bothered much about the campaign. Most of my worries about the project from before and during the campaign have turned into accurate predictions for the present so I'd be a fool not to prepare myself for the worst. Something about fooling me once comes to mind.

Forar....Nothing past v0.27 is public yet, I've been transcribing the rules directly from what I have from PB since then.

Surely that transcription process must be pretty quick. "Yup, got this right, this right, oooh, gotta move that noun a little, now it's right", etc, etc? :-P

Just a little ribbing, but you've stated at length that your rules were basically the same, so how much work can be needed if all you're doing is verifying their accuracy?

Not when I do this literally word for word...ugh

I've done that in the past. Hell, did it for Rifts when I was compiling a list of weapons from the various sources. It was... tedious.

Mike1975 wrote:
Not when I do this literally word for word...ugh

Wouldn't a scanner and some OCR software be a better option for bulk transfer? You'ld have to go through and check, and possibly correct and reformat bits I know bullet points usually get screwed up. But large blocks of text should translate fairly well. Except if TM and (C) are pervasive (and it is PB we're talking about), then you'ld have to re-add them.

Just because PB are reputedly Luddites doesn't mean you have to be.