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Anyone here wanting to sell their pledge let me know @Mike_Arnold_1975@hotmail.com. Tell me what you have and what you want for it. There have been quite a few interested on the Facebook page.

I'd like to buy the robotech license, anyone selling that?

98% of fan friends are pretending that seamgate is not a real thing.

Sorry, had to fit all that in there.

I wouldn't trust Palladium to not royally feth up a sold pledge/transfer.

Joyboozer wrote:
To be fair, they are a role playing company, it's all pretending.

That explains a lot about Mechanoid Space which has been on pre-order for over 20 years by this point (I am actually shocked it is still on the page after all this time).

Yeah, I'm glad I avoided this one. Even projects where Mr. Siembieda shouldn't be able to poison it with his touch... it will still happen. He will just need to weasel his way in and add his own personal brand of perfection™©®℠℗ to it. You guys have my deepest sympathies that such a wonderful property got stuck with one of the worst companies in the table top gaming industry as its eternal license holder.

But hey, unlike Mechanoid Space, this may actually get released in less than 20 years!

rigeld2 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
I'm betting they fly some boxes over for GenCon and Wave 1 delivers in October.

I'm standing by this estimate I made in March.

Production in June, shipping across the ocean in July, August eaten up by leftover time for both and Gencon, actual shipping to backers in September, boxes arriving by October.

... yeah, sounding about right at this point. But hey, only ~22 months to go from project start to delivery of 1/3 the models and roughly 2/3 of the figures found in a Battle Cry.

Sounds about right.

Maybe someone should tell Palladium.

*jazz hands*

Though to be fair, they've been saying that RRT would deliver in the "Summer of 2014" for a while now.

Which ends September 23rd. "Summer" indeed.

Does anyone know where these can be purchased, preferably in the UK

I have a sudden urge to run a Warhammer, Rifleman, Longbow and Archer in my lance.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Does anyone know where these can be purchased, preferably in the UK

I have a sudden urge to run a Warhammer, Rifleman, Longbow and Archer in my lance.

No where.

They haven't been released.

Okay, got to see a "mock-up" of the box set - incomplete mind you.

Veritech's are on the mind since they are a primary reason for the game for many.

I am waiting to see where this footrace will go: opportunity to sell models to public happens or backers get them first as promised.

Think now is a good time to release some core rule information to help formulate an FAQ on release to limit any nerd rage.

I had a small panic attack when I reviewed the PB site and saw some of their "pre-order" lists and how long they have been up.

I am still trying to figure out how to continue bugging PB for results while pretending I have all the time in the world to receive them (or go bat crazy in the process).

I guess I will go out and see if I can start my "Tron Tactics Tabletop Game"(tm) or "T3G" for short.
<edit> Ah, yes, Disney has that license... more scary than Harmony Gold without the jail time.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Does anyone know where these can be purchased, preferably in the UK

I have a sudden urge to run a Warhammer, Rifleman, Longbow and Archer in my lance.

No where.

They haven't been released.

Ah damn, thats a pity.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Does anyone know where these can be purchased, preferably in the UK

I have a sudden urge to run a Warhammer, Rifleman, Longbow and Archer in my lance.

No where.

They haven't been released.

Ah damn, thats a pity.

Yeah, you're telling us!

Well, if you're attending Gencon, you can supposedly get them there in August!

If not, I'm sure there'll be plenty of resellers trying to double their money on Ebay. (feature, not a bug!)

And the game is due at retail a month after it goes out to backers, whenever that might be. July? HAH! August? Pft. September? Maybe. October? Now we're getting closer...

Something I found at macrossworld in the forums

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=40821&page=8
or
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1440349382851175/#!/media/set/?set=oa.1512374798981966&type=1

Sorry but can't get pictures to work. Bioroids, Troopship and Zentraedi Re-Entry pod

Update 144

A relatively decent Update (bloody fantastic in comparison to the usual crap). Shows the unfixable problems with the Spartan weren't so unfixable. Still too many components, but not the utter horror show prototype they were saying were great. Though, ironically, they've restricted leg position in the same manner they have since corrected in shoulder position. Not that I mind, without posability at the knee, the running style looks lame.

Still wanting out (and am in the process of trying to sell the pledge), but if that falls through and I get stuck with receiving this order, it might not be as hard to shift on the secondary market without significant loss. Definitely not considering actually keeping it. Still too much anticipated clusterfethery from the people in charge. Especially with an apparent replacement policy for miscast/damaged/short-shot sprues of "we don't anticipate any problems so we don't need one", and a mail policy of "it was damaged in transit? Yeah, claim against the postal service, not our problem". And a promotional/tournamental/online presence that seems absent at best, hostile at worst. Soonest I can wash my hands of them, the better for both of us.

The parts break down does look better, but I find it weird how people are gushing over it saying it's "fixed" when it's just a drawing at this point.

I think proof of being "fixed" will be in seeing how things look on a print or in plastic, not line art.

Looks like an improvement but it's a little early to tell.

 paulson games wrote:
The parts break down does look better, but I find it weird how people are gushing over it saying it's "fixed" when it's just a drawing at this point.

I think proof of being "fixed" will be in seeing how things look on a print or in plastic, not line art.

Looks like an improvement but it's a little early to tell.

Yeah, making assumptions at this point in their track record is just asking for a kick in the nuts.

And with it being line art, and not even a digital sculpt, means it's still further off the production chain than it should be. "In fact, many items will begin manufacturing next week" sounds eerily familiar to "it should go to the printers next week", that I remember seeing for Northern Gun 1 for several months before it did, back when I gave a rats ass about PB in general. At least they can potentially get started on the Regults (the lengthiest run) but they better get a move on with approval of the Valkyries if they have any hope of receiving anything before GenCon. Which brings with it it's own potential for public relations clusterfethery.

Also, Jon, you have mail (both here and KS). Still waiting on an answer before I lock in my MechaFront Pledge.

Mike1975 wrote:
Something I found at macrossworld in the forums

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=40821&page=8
or
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1440349382851175/#!/media/set/?set=oa.1512374798981966&type=1

Sorry but can't get pictures to work. Bioroids, Troopship and Zentraedi Re-Entry pod

Can someone grab the images and post them on imgur or somewhere, can't see them because not a member.

New update yesterday
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/867844#comments

Ye gods are aspects of this community frustrating.

"omg now can the complaining stop!?"

Look here, you little gaks. People speaking up about what they saw as a problem got that problem addressed. As others have noted, am I happy to have one out of the box pose for the legs? Meh, but I'm happier with this than I was with the last Spartan (at least at a glance, yes, a prototype and production run would be even better to allay those concerns), but without that outcry we'd still be getting "Spartangate Spartans: the Pieciests Spartaniest Spartan whoever Pieced or Spartan'd!"

What a bunch of donkey caves.

Did they really say this?!?:

Especially with an apparent replacement policy for miscast/damaged/short-shot sprues of "we don't anticipate any problems so we don't need one", and a mail policy of "it was damaged in transit? Yeah, claim against the postal service, not our problem".

 Ronin_eX wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
To be fair, they are a role playing company, it's all pretending.

That explains a lot about Mechanoid Space which has been on pre-order for over 20 years by this point (I am actually shocked it is still on the page after all this time).

Yeah, I'm glad I avoided this one. Even projects where Mr. Siembieda shouldn't be able to poison it with his touch... it will still happen. He will just need to weasel his way in and add his own personal brand of perfection™©®℠℗ to it. You guys have my deepest sympathies that such a wonderful property got stuck with one of the worst companies in the table top gaming industry as its eternal license holder.

But hey, unlike Mechanoid Space, this may actually get released in less than 20 years!

Perhaps one bonus could come from this - if Palladium blows through all the money before delivering the product, maybe a class action suit will finally shutter Palladium and the rights can be bought from HG by a real company!

 Alpharius wrote:
Did they really say this?!?:

Especially with an apparent replacement policy for miscast/damaged/short-shot sprues of "we don't anticipate any problems so we don't need one", and a mail policy of "it was damaged in transit? Yeah, claim against the postal service, not our problem".

Kind of. It's an abbreviation of a couple statements they've made/situations.

Regarding replacement pieces;

I believe that's essentially the sentiment that was expressed at one point. When the matter was pushed in a second thread, this was the response from someone 'in the know';

WRRD wrote:I spoke with Kevin and Jeff over this item on Tuesday, The goal is to provide replacement pieces for miscasts, deformities etc.. There is a plan to provide customer service for this. there won't be a need to send them the miscast piece. A phone call will suffice. They have already handled this item a few times due to two or three of the Gencon metal minis missing a piece or having a miscast in the blister. Replacement pieces were sent immediately out.

This should be an official policy, not a comment from 'a random user' (in that you and I know he is more involved in the project, but he's a guy with 10 posts on their forum and zero official standing there).

Also, as others have noted, 'a phone call' is a ridiculous way to work these things out. A phone call must be done on their time frame, what about sections of the world where their business hours aren't terribly convenient? Long distance charges just to get a replacement GU-11 seems awfully excessive. With an email I can send a picture of the damaged part, meaning there should be zero issues expressing exactly what is wrong and needs replacing, and assuming I'm not an idiot, zero issues with transcription of my address and other pertinent info.

The latter issue (referring transit damage back to the post office) ties into a prolific forum poster and commenter "Jorel", who ordered a bunch of books from them during the sale, and found that a bunch of the corners were damaged in transit. When he complained to PB, apparently he was told:

"I'm very sorry to hear about this. Once the books are in the hands of the US Post Office, it is their responsibility to handle them with care. I recommend you take the books and package to your local Post Office and file a claim. We ship every day and that includes many Media Mail packages. I too order things from around the country and Europe from time to time, and like you, I've been fortunate most of the time. I've only gotten a handful of bent corner and slightly damaged books over the years.

According to him, when he spoke to the Post Office, they referred him back to the sender, so both of them are pointing at each other. I believe he said it was sent uninsured media mail, so the Post Office doesn't care and PB clearly isn't willing to send out another pile of books over damaged corners.



It's a facebook picture link, hopefully that comes through.

It did show - thanks for the summary too!

So......25 pieces is an improvement??? And they still can't count - the chest is two pieces - front and back - not one.....sigh
what a fething joke..... this makes papa a very sad panda ...... was sooo looking forward to this and by this point I just hope I can get some models that are somewhat usable :(

No cheers this time

Papasmurf

 PapaSmurf wrote:
So......25 pieces is an improvement??? And they still can't count - the chest is two pieces - front and back - not one.....sigh
what a fething joke..... this makes papa a very sad panda ...... was sooo looking forward to this and by this point I just hope I can get some models that are somewhat usable :(

No cheers this time

Papasmurf

It looks like you can get it down to 25 if you go with the minimal options - i.e. gunpod instead of mace, and closed missile bay doors.

One item that I find particularly puzzling is that the version of the missile bay that's designed to allow an open door is split in half, whereas the version with the door closed is one piece (aside from that weird bit at the back).

What the heck?

Eumerin wrote:
It looks like you can get it down to 25 if you go with the minimal options - i.e. gunpod instead of mace, and closed missile bay doors.

One item that I find particularly puzzling is that the version of the missile bay that's designed to allow an open door is split in half, whereas the version with the door closed is one piece (aside from that weird bit at the back).

What the heck?

Actually, it makes sense, from one design perspective. The undercut (the space between the two columns of missiles) wouldn't be possible with the design decision they made.

It does look like the missiles will be coming out of tubes on a flat surface, rather than the recessed bay it's typically depicted as, but it's a good-faith attempt to get the parts count down. To do it properly, it'd probably need at least another part per pod.

As for the Gunpod, that's assuming the arm is a singular piece, and not just a "Here's an arm we assembled earlier" sketch. Either is possible, and assuming "what you see is what you get" with this mob is just asking for trouble.

Eumerin wrote:
It looks like you can get it down to 25 if you go with the minimal options - i.e. gunpod instead of mace, and closed missile bay doors.

That should read "get it down to 19", and not 25...

>.<

As for the Gunpod, that's assuming the arm is a singular piece, and not just a "Here's an arm we assembled earlier" sketch. Either is possible, and assuming "what you see is what you get" with this mob is just asking for trouble.

It's possible. But it appears that the hands in question are different, based on the positioning of the index fingers.

I checked out the KS comments for the first time in a while and... they're interesting. One guy thinks the improvements to the spartan design are a bad idea because "they reward the complainers"... wow... just wow... You get a better model that is more in line with common sense and visual aesthetics (at least slightly more) and you have an issue with it because people that pointed out the problems got listened to instead of those who just rubber stamp everything with a "that's great, kevin!"? Wow...

The last update is nice and more of what I want to see but also illustrates a continued altered perception problem at palladium. I can't help but notice the "We know some of you were very concerned about those, and you were not ignored." I suspect it is more accurate to say not "some" but "the majority of folks who bothered to comment anywhere about the product that can be publicly verified and not able to be deleted by ND or palladium"... which excludes the dozens to hundreds invisible fans at local conventions and gama who think the old spartans were "perfect" yet who didn't post those thoughts anywhere (along with pics except for a single source) and the carefully pruned comments on facebook. I don't think we'll ever change the mindset over at palladium but in the end that isn't the priority. The priority is getting better than gashapon minis on our doorstep and this latest update makes that just a bit more likely to happen sometime in 2014. That is progress.

What's this week's topic of discontent? I'm thirsty over here and needs some tears

Now that Palladium is finally not alternating between used car salesmen stereotypes and cult of personality worship, there isn't much drama. We're getting what we're getting some time down the road and it'll likely be after gencon and not *as* bad as we were initially shown (but still not as good as promised/hoped).