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2014/06/19 20:55:34
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
All this talk of HG has me missing their space game Jovian chronicles.
I still don't get how RRT can go into production when we haven't been shown the finished rdf sprues as well as the reworked vf-1. It seems like PB is determined to get this out by GC by sacrificing more quality. Very sad panda. :(
2014/06/19 21:05:27
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Don't be so pessimistic. It's not like it is the single most iconic design in the whole series that spawned generations of transformable robot toys or something. Besides, it should be enough that Kevin's 3rd cousin loves the design. Heck, even the guy who stopped by to deliver chinese food at the office loved it! He was so impressed that he asked for Kevin's autograph on a small piece of paper with the order and credit card info when he handed over the food!
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2014/06/20 00:33:47
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
It remains absolutely ridiculous that the best source of information for this campaign appears to be bloody well calling them up. That's dumb. It's dumb and silly and foolish and ugh.
That said, a dude on the comments called them up.
This is what he said they told him;
Kendachi wrote:
Wow, just hung up with Jeff.
Great conversation, great guy. Gave me some good, hopeful news.
He says they're being told 3 weeks shipping + 1 week of customs. They're just as nervous as we are about it getting here by the end of July. What surprised me was that he said they'll not be waiting for 6 full containers, as soon as the first is full it ships.
It will be already packed for the base game, and the battlecry add-ons will be a single pack they add to each base game box. So it does sound like it may be a quicker turn around than I thought.
I asked about the replacement policy, Jeff said it would be taken care of, there will be a system in place, an e-mail system.
I asked about the color change for the Zentradi dice. The purple and black was hard to see, the new colors are what HG approved.
Possibly some news in an update tonight.
All in all, it was a really nice conversation. Like, running into a gaming friend and having a twenty minute chat.
Well played, Jeff.
3 weeks in transit and 1 in customs seems waaaaay too overly optimistic, but, whatever.
The replacement policy is replace stuff as needed. Jeff said unless it's a big piece, they'll just send it out. I failed to ask if it would be a per-piece thing or a whole sprue thing.
And he later remembered that he forgot to ask about sales at Gencon.
So, apparently if I want the batch of questions I sent them a few weeks ago, I need to snag an international calling card and ring Jeff up.
Sooooo... that's a thing. I know it's going to make some people facepalm, and possibly drive a few people to a blind rage, but figured it was worth sharing with you guys all the same.
2014/06/20 00:53:50
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
"They reckon you've got concussion - I couldn't give a tart's furry cup if half your brains are falling out. Don't ever waltz into my kingdom acting king of the jungle." - Gene Hunt
2014/06/20 00:56:40
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Never mind, I'll leave it in spoilers so my shame might perpetuate through the ages, but apparently they've been doing this for a while.
Spoiler:
Here's the best part of it.
There's been a lot of laughs about Palladium copy and pasting things over the years.
And then there's this.
And yeah, Mr. Dachi, I noticed the comments about how they're still finalizing box stuff and whatnot. Whatever. They've been unclear on what IS and ISN'T being produced or needs approval or whatever, so I can't be bothered getting annoyed when I read between the lines. At this point I have faith that they could have everything on the ship and be two weeks at sea and still be telling us they're finalizing things. I think they finalize sleeping in the morning and then finalize breakfast and then finalize their attire and then finalize relieving themselves of waste, etc, etc, etc.
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2014/06/20 01:00:46
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
"They reckon you've got concussion - I couldn't give a tart's furry cup if half your brains are falling out. Don't ever waltz into my kingdom acting king of the jungle." - Gene Hunt
2014/06/20 01:01:58
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
"They reckon you've got concussion - I couldn't give a tart's furry cup if half your brains are falling out. Don't ever waltz into my kingdom acting king of the jungle." - Gene Hunt
2014/06/20 01:48:16
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
It remains absolutely ridiculous that the best source of information for this campaign appears to be bloody well calling them up. That's dumb. It's dumb and silly and foolish and ugh.
Well, tell you what, it is even more stupid as standing replacement part policy. Hey, PB, I live in Europe, at the other side of an ocean and lots of time zones away. Am I supposed to call you in the dead of night if you send me some of your gak wrong? And what if I'm not fluent with english? Do you have some staff over there fluent enough in spanish? How about euskera? Yeah, didn't think so. Do you even realize that many of your pledgers are from places named "not USA", and that most of those basically can't call you? And that even if they can, there may possibly be an idiomatic barrier?
Gaaaaahhhhhh
EDIT: Ah, I read they seem to be putting in place an email system. Phew, that would be better.
It will be even better when they, you know, actually say it themselves, instead of a guy who spoke with them.
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2014/06/20 20:35:17
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
The popular Robotech® TV show and RPG will be brought to life as a fast-paced, strategy battle game that will debut at Palladium Games' Booth #1223.
● 34 6mm scale, multi-pose plastic game pieces (40mm to 70mm tall). World-class sculpts.
● Combat rules that use D6 and a turn-based system of play.
● Fast-paced combat, designed to emulate anime action.
● Full color rule book, painting guide, decal sheet, custom dice and more.
● Designed in partnership with Ninja Division – the combined talents of Soda Pop Miniatures and Cipher Studios, makers of Super Dungeon™ Explore, Relic Knights™, Helldorado™ and Anima Tactics™.
● Expansions and tournament play support are planned.
Palladium RPGs use the same basic core rules. If you learn to play one game, you can play them all. Port characters, weapons, magic and abilities from one game world to another with little or no conversion! Games titles include: Rifts® (multi-genre), Dead Reign™ (zombie apocalypse), Robotech® (transformable robots, war & aliens), Heroes Unlimited™ (superhumans of all kinds), Nightbane® (superhero-horror), Palladium Fantasy RPG® (epic), Splicers® (weird sci-fi), Beyond the Supernatural™ (modern horror), After the Bomb® (mutant animals) and others.
Two coupons to get a 50% DISCOUNT on Robotech® “manga” sized RPG titles (only $8 each!) and select other Palladium RPG titles will appear in the Gen Con 2014 Coupon Book. "
2014/06/20 20:45:21
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
I'd like proof of that, please. We have no verifiable proof at all from palladium that anything has been manufactured (past tense... as in already done), just empty hi-de-hoo neighbors pie in the sky rhetoric. This campaign reached the "show, don't tell" level of (dis)belief long ago last year. I will however accept you revising your statement to "They claimed without any third party verifcation to be starting manufacture 12 months late supposedly on Earth!". I agree that it doesn't have quite the same ring though as a joke.
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2014/06/21 14:39:18
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Heavy Gear is currently in alpha testing for the new rules and that is what the update relates to. The upcoming rules are *NOT* compatible at all with previous products and are a completely different and new set of mechanics unrelated to the HG rules published prior going back to 1st edition in the mid 1990's.
The existing basic rules are available for free on DrivethruRPG under the title "Field Manual". The army construction rules for the various forces though are paid downloads (or you can use the excellent and free Gear Garage program similar to Army Builder to make the forces).
2014/06/22 00:30:55
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
The popular Robotech® TV show and RPG will be brought to life as a fast-paced, strategy battle game that will debut at Palladium Games' Booth #1223.
● 34 6mm scale, multi-pose plastic game pieces (40mm to 70mm tall). World-class sculpts.
● Combat rules that use D6 and a turn-based system of play.
● Fast-paced combat, designed to emulate anime action.
● Full color rule book, painting guide, decal sheet, custom dice and more.
● Designed in partnership with Ninja Division – the combined talents of Soda Pop Miniatures and Cipher Studios, makers of Super Dungeon™ Explore, Relic Knights™, Helldorado™ and Anima Tactics™.
● Expansions and tournament play support are planned.
Palladium RPGs use the same basic core rules. If you learn to play one game, you can play them all. Port characters, weapons, magic and abilities from one game world to another with little or no conversion! Games titles include: Rifts® (multi-genre), Dead Reign™ (zombie apocalypse), Robotech® (transformable robots, war & aliens), Heroes Unlimited™ (superhumans of all kinds), Nightbane® (superhero-horror), Palladium Fantasy RPG® (epic), Splicers® (weird sci-fi), Beyond the Supernatural™ (modern horror), After the Bomb® (mutant animals) and others.
Two coupons to get a 50% DISCOUNT on Robotech® “manga” sized RPG titles (only $8 each!) and select other Palladium RPG titles will appear in the Gen Con 2014 Coupon Book. "
I've been saying it for awhile now that the whole " we promise backers will get stuff before everyone else" mantra has made me very skeptical since they started repeating.
Man, this whole thing has turned into an absolutely bad PR campaign from PB. It's almost like they keep shooting themselves in the foot and saying that next time will be better.
2014/06/23 21:30:24
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Ninja Division is putting the finishing touches on the UEDF Destroids and Valkyries for the Robotech RPG Tactics.
Also, they commented on the discussion forming in regards to the image.
Ninja Division wrote:Hi guys,
Everything HAS been in production - these are our first "Mold tests" from the sprues. Basically a generation 1 shot of minis snipped off the sprue and glued together by our factory engineers in China, I won't give them points for model building, but I will say we are approving and making the last changes to the sprues that are to be included in the wave 1 releases. Everything has a mold, everything is either in production or the last few mecha are at this final tweak stage - which is important to make sure the parts line up, and everything fits before we start packing them in boxes! WE ARE SO EXCITED - which.. for ninjas.. is like a brooding silence.
Edit: I imagine it goes without saying that the fact the factory in China is assembling these, rather than waiting for the sprues to be sent by carrier pigion to ND/PB for test fits and final approval gives some credence to the concerns of the RDF wave one stuff being a bit rushed.
What impact that will have on the final product quality remains to be seen, but I'm not taking it as a good sign.
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2014/06/23 21:35:14
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
The hips on the one on the left are definitely 'off'. Possibly trying to get some of that "multi pose" these models supposedly have?
As for the missiles, according to the RPG, they have 11 missiles per arm, with an 'outer ring' of them around a trio in a triangular cluster in the middle. The artwork from the RPG book makes the individual missiles look bigger/has less empty space present though. Especially that one corner. No idea why it isn't an actual outer circle.
A google image search shows some variations across the toys, but the apparent screen cap seems to follow roughly that layout. 8 around the drum, 3 in the middle. Ish.
Edit: the "experimental" parts I can take or leave, but I stand firm in my hatred of the "command modules".
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2014/06/23 23:09:17
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Ninja Division wrote:Hi guys,
Everything HAS been in production - these are our first "Mold tests" from the sprues. Basically a generation 1 shot of minis snipped off the sprue and glued together by our factory engineers in China, I won't give them points for model building, but I will say we are approving and making the last changes to the sprues that are to be included in the wave 1 releases.
Edit: I imagine it goes without saying that the fact the factory in China is assembling these, rather than waiting for the sprues to be sent by carrier pigion to ND/PB for test fits and final approval gives some credence to the concerns of the RDF wave one stuff being a bit rushed.
What impact that will have on the final product quality remains to be seen, but I'm not taking it as a good sign.
It might be semantics but for me something that is still in flux ("making the last changes") isn't in production. When the very first sprue intended for sale pops out of the machine, that is "in production" for me but I'm not a 98% rainbow final fart kind of guy. As for rushing the RDF, eh... I can't muster up anything more than "whatever" at this point. It's progress. It'll never be what it was hyped and what we were supposedly sold but some physical preproduction prototype is still better than just a render or low quality 3d print. At least those evil nameless communist chinese horde factory workers managed to assemble the minis better than Palladium did.
2014/06/23 23:18:10
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
