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This far out Kicktraq isn't really all that indicative of anything resembling the final tally. The day to day counts can be interesting, and I'm not disputing that it may be close either way, just worth noting.

 Forar wrote:
This far out Kicktraq isn't really all that indicative of anything resembling the final tally. The day to day counts can be interesting, and I'm not disputing that it may be close either way, just worth noting.

However, without any stretch goals worth a damn I don't know what makes them think they'll make it.

The last 2 days they've gotten 23 whole backers, and today they got 22 - I'm not sure when the clock will turn over for Kicktraq.

I think they're just as oblivious as PB - "The last Robotech Kickstarter made a load of money! Quick, throw something together and we can all buy jet skis!

noticed no word yet from PB that the stuff is on the ship on its way to us.

To be honest, I'm hoping they don't make it but then again, potato salads can kickstart for tens of thousands of dollars, so who knows -_-

by the way if anybody thinks oh well were getting Kickstarter exclusives that others don't get, guess what there is only one potential kickstarter exclusive the SDF-1 all other exclusives are KS and Con exclusives, in fact the Cons might get more exclusives then we the backers get.

Sining wrote:
To be honest, I'm hoping they don't make it but then again, potato salads can kickstart for tens of thousands of dollars, so who knows -_-

Yeah, I'm really hoping they some make it either. Mostly because I want them to demonstrate that they can't even break a promise successfully.

The SDF-1 and the Battlefoam bag are KS exclusives, if I'm not mistaken. The home page image for the bag doesn't say it, but it came up a few times around the campaign, and I believe it was verified in a newsletter or something. I believe the pallets of them that PB has are supposed to be the only ones, though I hope BF does use the same shapes for their custom trays.

I thought the objective packs were KS exclusive as well, but a glance through the updates shows that they're KS/Con exclusives.

So, yeah, So far, 2 KS exclusives (Bag, SDF-1), 2 Con Exclusives (Max, Miriya), and what, 6 KS/Con Exclusives? (Rick, Roy, Khyron, Miriya, Objective Pack 1 & 2)?

Until PB announces this year's con exclusives, of course.

I don't think the bfoam will be a KS exclusive at all. I'm pretty sure they'll sell it to normal consumers because that's how bfoam works. I don't think any of the bags they've ever offered were exclusive to any KS.

Well if the page doesn't say the bags are not con exclusives, then you think PB will keep them Con Exclusives ?


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What are Kickstarter Exclusives


Kickstarter Exclusives are game pieces that will only be available through the Kickstarter and Conventions.

Last updated: Wed, May 1 2013 6:18 PM PDT

Asterios wrote:
noticed no word yet from PB that the stuff is on the ship on its way to us.

From update 148: "The first container should leave China July 17"

So, I'm not sure if he meant our time, China time, or lunatic moon-man time... but it may not have left yet.

 Kendachi wrote:

Asterios wrote:
noticed no word yet from PB that the stuff is on the ship on its way to us.

From update 148: "The first container should leave China July 17"

So, I'm not sure if he meant our time, China time, or lunatic moon-man time... but it may not have left yet.

its the 17th in china

Asterios wrote:

 Kendachi wrote:

Asterios wrote:
noticed no word yet from PB that the stuff is on the ship on its way to us.

From update 148: "The first container should leave China July 17"

So, I'm not sure if he meant our time, China time, or lunatic moon-man time... but it may not have left yet.

its the 17th in china

Uh-huh. And... which 17th did Kevin mean again? That's right, we don't know.

 Kendachi wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Kendachi wrote:

Asterios wrote:
noticed no word yet from PB that the stuff is on the ship on its way to us.

From update 148: "The first container should leave China July 17"

So, I'm not sure if he meant our time, China time, or lunatic moon-man time... but it may not have left yet.

its the 17th in china

Uh-huh. And... which 17th did Kevin mean again? That's right, we don't know.

did he say which month ?

And which year?

Hmm. More info about Harmony Gold:

"The last six years have been a real renaissance for the Macross franchise in Japan. There has been an incredibly popular anime series, three movies, and seven games. The latest in the series is the incredibly ambitious Macross 30, a game that combines 30 years of Macross characters and lore into a new and original story. It was released late last month in Japan to modest critical and commercial success. Yet of all the titles brought to market in recent years, none of them have ever been released in America."

http://kotaku.com/5990702/why-you-havent-seen-any-new-macross-in-the-west-for-nearly-15-years


RPG.net threads:

"Actually, the court ruling was that Tatsunoko held, and could only sell, distribution and merchandising rights. Harmony Gold is claiming Intellectual Property rights. That's illegal. Harmony Gold has claimed that the court ruling in Japan does not effect them, and so far only Hasbro has challenged them, and HG agreed to the Dismissal With Prejudice before their false claims could be disproven.

The simple fact is that the contract HG has is to distribute/merchandise the original Macross series only. They have merchandising but not distribution rights to the "Do You Remember Love" movie (if they had distro rights, they'd have made THAT the Robotech movie). They have no rights to the designs in the original series or any rights at all in respect to the subsequent series. The problem is that HG is claiming they own all rights to everything Macross. If that were true, they'd be making a fortune releasing the subsequent series. The simple fact that they are not is proof enough that they're full of it, even without the legal ruling. They are well aware of what they do and do not have the rights to. There's a reason every 'Robotech' followup has been based on Southern Cross and Mospeada rather than Macross.

Oh...and about Macross 7. The problem with Macross 7 is that to get the rights to Macross 7, you also have to buy the rights to the entire Fire Bomber library...priced separately. From what I've heard, the licensing fees for the Firebomber stuff is significantly higher than the fees for the Macross stuff. A similar problem was encountered in the domestic release of Kodomo no Omocha, where the main theme and certain pieces of music from individual episodes were licensed separately and thus couldn't be included in the US release."

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?730359-HG-robotech-kickstarter&p=18080196#post18080196

Pics of loss of detail on the mini compared to concept drawings:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?731197-A-Non-Vote-for-Robotech-RPG-Tatics-Means-Yes&p=18100929#post18100929

Does this mean that Palladium might not have the legal rights to do their game ?

This sounds more and more awesome.

I was screaming about that at the beginning of this and people got mad at me. I really think a decent court challenge from a japanese partner would snag the rights right our from under HG in US courts.

It is also super fishy how they have been avoiding the use of characters and certain non mechs.

Hey, I've read the last update again, and I question this:

"We can’t ship what we estimate will be 7,000-9,000 packages (those add-ons and exclusives add up) in a few days"

I've never been accused of being the smartest guy on the internet, but... why so many more packages than backers? Retail? Something else?

Serious question.

 Kendachi wrote:
Hey, I've read the last update again, and I question this:

"We can’t ship what we estimate will be 7,000-9,000 packages (those add-ons and exclusives add up) in a few days"

I've never been accused of being the smartest guy on the internet, but... why so many more packages than backers? Retail? Something else?

Serious question.

The real question is what Exclusives are they talking about? why do I get the feeling someone is lying ?

Asterios wrote:


The real question is what Exclusives are they talking about? why do I get the feeling someone is lying ?

Damn, I didn't even notice that... ah, the bags are in the warehouse already and they're exclusives. Maybe that's it.

 Kendachi wrote:
Hey, I've read the last update again, and I question this:

"We can’t ship what we estimate will be 7,000-9,000 packages (those add-ons and exclusives add up) in a few days"

I've never been accused of being the smartest guy on the internet, but... why so many more packages than backers? Retail? Something else?

Serious question.

It may be that they think not everything will fit in one box? Maybe they're going with a one box fits all, and if it doesn't get another one box fits all method of shipping?

ced1106 wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
How goddamned stupid do these people need to be to think something like that is going to actually happen?

They pledged for this KS, didn't they?

I'm checking out the RPG.net reviews of the "newer" Robotech 2007 release, with "40% new material". One reviewer commented that the Palladium system didn't capture the anime drama like the RPG systems whose mechanics were made to fit the source material, not the other way around. Good point, although I don't remember how many RPG systems were doing that sort of thing at the time.

lol, so did Merijeek

 Kendachi wrote:
Hey, I've read the last update again, and I question this:

"We can’t ship what we estimate will be 7,000-9,000 packages (those add-ons and exclusives add up) in a few days"

I've never been accused of being the smartest guy on the internet, but... why so many more packages than backers? Retail? Something else?

Serious question.

5,342 Backers
1300 Showdowns
185 Recklesses

Plus some people failed to pay, and some people bumped up a box or three.

Looking like they expect to just ship out each Battle Cry (and some add ons) in a standard sized box. If so, BS will have like 14-20 boxes going to him (12 BC's and a pile of add ons?), I'll have 8-10+, etc.

Though on the other hand, 10 flat rate boxes to Canada would be a hell of a lot of money, so that might not be it, or at least not entirely.

On further thought however, I'm left wondering how they have such a large range. They made the add on boxes, surely it shouldn't be hard to work out how much their standard box holds and extrapolate from there. As in, there can't be THAT many people with orders that break the mold. There's only so much variety possible with so few add ons, and I doubt many people bought an overwhelming number of Veritechs at that price, for example.

Mike1975 wrote:

lol, so did Merijeek

What exactly are you referring to?

 Kendachi wrote:

Asterios wrote:


The real question is what Exclusives are they talking about? why do I get the feeling someone is lying ?

Damn, I didn't even notice that... ah, the bags are in the warehouse already and they're exclusives. Maybe that's it.

bags are not called exclusives in the pledge so doubt PB will honor them as exclusives.

I could swear there was a message somewhere in the updates, newsletters or whatever that mentioned BF wasn't going to be mass producing the bags. Did an update scan, but didn't see anything there.

 Forar wrote:
I could swear there was a message somewhere in the updates, newsletters or whatever that mentioned BF wasn't going to be mass producing the bags. Did an update scan, but didn't see anything there.

so ? that would mean PB would honor their word, and we know how well they are at doing that now don't we ?

Asterios wrote:

 Forar wrote:
I could swear there was a message somewhere in the updates, newsletters or whatever that mentioned BF wasn't going to be mass producing the bags. Did an update scan, but didn't see anything there.

so ? that would mean PB would honor their word, and we know how well they are at doing that now don't we ?

It didn't come across as 'omg exclusive we swear', more sounded like BF just couldn't be bothered.

Ugh, I'll have a glance, but it may be a moot point either way.

I think this summarizes how people feel about Kevin's handling of RRT.

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a457/cypherxv/4a7882c53e635b2eccb5580147835007_zps6ca950a3.jpg

I saw it on FB and thought you lot would want to see it.