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So bad.... even for a demo piece. And this qualifies as a piece "professionally" painted by BTP? ugh.













Bunch of pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm

Once you get past the Robotech barf city pictures, you get to some quality minis by real companies.

Mouthwatering. Just makes you want to buy thebgame, right?

*puke*

 stanman wrote:
So bad.... even for a demo piece. And this qualifies as a piece "professionally" painted by BTP? ugh.

You've clearly never posted in Dakka's own "pro painted!" Ebay thread. I agree that the paint jobs are pretty bad but they scream of Palladium sending several dozen minis to be assembled, prepped, and speed painted in less than two weeks INCLUDING mailing time both ways across the country and the weekends. They likely had one set/squadron/model (depending on which model) done nicely (see the "official" paint scheme zentraedi) with the rest 3 color basic standard.

In the end, that isn't the most worrisome to me. The fact that even with blurry out of focus shakey hand cam pics that the seams are glaringly obvious on the RDF minis is. Hell, my solution of only playing my RDF while drunk won't work as that bottom right destroid is pretty much beer goggled yet the seams are visible.

I think these were the ones painted by BTP - whoever the painter was who did the plain base ones (with the logos) is excellent





And here's a Monster in the wild




Product samples





Demo game - these painted models definitely don't look as good as the ones in the display case



Sorry gents, I officially went from "meh" to "gimme my stuff!"

 stanman wrote:

Bunch of pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm

Once you get past the Robotech barf city pictures, you get to some quality minis by real companies.

What are the games/companies for some of those miniatures. I really like the demon looking one under the 30mm scale Ares from about 3/4 the way down. I also like the red guys above the Ares, but not the little big head guys.

Hell just give me company or game names and I'll find them.

Kevin got at least one earful today. Didn't overhear what he was saying, but he appeared quite irate.

 megatrons2nd wrote:

 stanman wrote:

Bunch of pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm

Once you get past the Robotech barf city pictures, you get to some quality minis by real companies.

What are the games/companies for some of those miniatures. I really like the demon looking one under the 30mm scale Ares from about 3/4 the way down. I also like the red guys above the Ares, but not the little big head guys.

Hell just give me company or game names and I'll find them.

Guessing these are the photos you're talking about..
http://i.imgur.com/qNZNsQ7.jpg <- Relic Knights from Soda Pop/Ninja Division
http://i.imgur.com/HJZWk2t.jpg <- Unsure, I think Helldorado from Chiper/Ninja Division
http://i.imgur.com/Rxtjcm1.jpg <- Super Dungeon Explore from Soda Pop/Ninja Division
http://i.imgur.com/oeTmfbm.jpg <- Looks like Helldorado on the Left and Relic Knights on the Right

http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#BjN4Y9b
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#haRMM1w
http://i.imgur.com/4RnEnrw.jpg

These ones mostly

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Kevin got at least one earful today. Didn't overhear what he was saying, but he appeared quite irate.

This! This is what I want to hear more of. Or see video of!

 megatrons2nd wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#BjN4Y9b
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#haRMM1w
http://i.imgur.com/4RnEnrw.jpg

These ones mostly

First two are Relic Knights, not sure on the last one.


Edit: Wait, I recognize the Kitsune in the background.. those are likely Bushido figs.

I imagine that with the general public gettin in tomorrow, we'll start to hear more reactions and they'll start getting more praise and critique.

Also be interesting to see how busy their rpg/RRT area is. I imagine the kind of person to pay to get in early is also the kind to thoroughly research such locations, and there'll also be he matter of finding them through crowds and with every vendor vying for their attention through said crowds.

Does Gencon attendance ramp up Thursday through Saturday, with Saturday being the highest?

 Alpharius wrote:
Does Gencon attendance ramp up Thursday through Saturday, with Saturday being the highest?

Pretty much. It's been almost 10 years since I went but for the almost 15 years I did attend, there was Fantasy Friday and Scifi Saturday with the latter having the absolute longest lines for a one day badge. Sunday is a very steep drop.


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 Kendachi wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Kevin got at least one earful today. Didn't overhear what he was saying, but he appeared quite irate.

This! This is what I want to hear more of. Or see video of!

Indeed. I'll believe it when I see it posted. So far we just have bad syntax on the KS comments drinking the kool aid. He heard their sob story and believes them that everyone else is so mean and they're just trying so hard! Except that the exact same type of unacceptable delays, lack of clarity, and poor communication happened with BOTH of their previous crowdfunded books that NO ONE else worked on and that were 100% their own fault regarding the massive 1-2 year delays (depending on which book) when they were supposed to go to the printers within weeks for one and a month for the next. Don't get me wrong... I'm sure that ND and HG both share in the blame ALONG WITH palladium but to try and spin the tale to get pity for them is ridiculous.

 Alpharius wrote:
Does Gencon attendance ramp up Thursday through Saturday, with Saturday being the highest?

Saturday's sales are usually equal to the rest of the weekend combined for us.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#BjN4Y9b
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#haRMM1w
http://i.imgur.com/4RnEnrw.jpg

These ones mostly

First two are Relic Knights, not sure on the last one.


Edit: Wait, I recognize the Kitsune in the background.. those are likely Bushido figs.

Looked up Bushido. The Kitsune doesn't look the same. Thanks for the Relic Knight tip.

Last one http://i.imgur.com/7HT6ejT.jpg I think it is Infinity, but I am not sure.

Yeah thats Infinity.

The other one might be Anima Tactics, but i'm not overly familiar with the range. (and I'm not sure if its still being overly supported)

It's pretty funny, the stuff that Ninja Division/Soda Pop did on their own looks killer in the display cases and even their demo stuff looks good, shift over to the Palladium side and you have rushed half assed stuff. It really tells you which end the failure belongs to in that partnership.

 megatrons2nd wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#BjN4Y9b
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#haRMM1w
http://i.imgur.com/4RnEnrw.jpg

These ones mostly

First two are Relic Knights, not sure on the last one.


Edit: Wait, I recognize the Kitsune in the background.. those are likely Bushido figs.

Looked up Bushido. The Kitsune doesn't look the same. Thanks for the Relic Knight tip.

Last one http://i.imgur.com/7HT6ejT.jpg I think it is Infinity, but I am not sure.

that demon is the Jorogumo from the Kensei range http://shop.zenitminiatures.es/product.php?id_product=160

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vUmNldkt3T1h0Ylk&usp=sharing

I put all the pics and videos I could find in one spot. I also remember Jeff saying something about painting some of those minis so those bad ones are likely his. I doubt BTP would even consider sending jobs like that out.

I wonder if they'll forgot to charge the camera again?

Plenty of this stuff should have been in earlier updates, but they need to keep their newsfeed updated with pictures of geese and commenting on recent movies.

Why promote your own product when fans with shaky and fuzzy cams can do it right?

 stanman wrote:
It's pretty funny, the stuff that Ninja Division/Soda Pop did on their own looks killer in the display cases and even their demo stuff looks good, shift over to the Palladium side and you have rushed half assed stuff. It really tells you which end the failure belongs to in that partnership.

The stuff in the display case looks pretty great to me? Certainly better than what I feel like doing (to preserve my sanity) on 1/285 scale models.

Noir wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:
If I were going I would go spend $500 on GW stuff (dunno if they offer discounts there or not through the various vendors), show up to PB's booth, and tell them that I just purchased all those items with the money I (hope) to get by hocking my kickstarter stuff on Ebay once I get it.

LOL, buy a bunch of crap from a company that doesn't give a damn about you to say to a different company I'm not go to buy your crap becouse you don't give a damn about me, nice. I might spend my money on good companies products to get my point across, but to each their own.

Games Workshop has never lied to me, tried to make me "feel bad" about their situation, asked me to vote for something where if I didn't vote then it would be automatically counted as a consent to something for which I previously did not care, and produces very nice, albeit expensive, miniatures/models.

They are an organization that seeks my money and I give it to them via a great discount through my FLGS. I may not think certain rules are fair, fluffy, or written well at times but I still willingly give them my money because they have never once tried to be my friend that is only my friend for my financial means.

PB and Kevin, however are a completely different animal. Had it not been for his pathetic plea for yes votes, crappy your non-reply equates agreement to our decision standpoint, and his I'm-just-a-fanboy-trying-to-make-a-great-game-we-can-all-play-together-around-a-campfire-while-singing-kumbaya when in reality he is a fan boy seeking to make a great game off which he can make money, I would have not cared about the delays, poor management, or even the Gen con issue. ... but insult me by treating me like I'm an idiot and then pretend our relationship is anything more than just business by pulling some emotional whiny bull crap and yeah, I'll be happy to give my disposable income to another company.

Koltoroc wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#BjN4Y9b
http://imgur.com/a/e7zqm#haRMM1w
http://i.imgur.com/4RnEnrw.jpg

These ones mostly

First two are Relic Knights, not sure on the last one.


Edit: Wait, I recognize the Kitsune in the background.. those are likely Bushido figs.

Looked up Bushido. The Kitsune doesn't look the same. Thanks for the Relic Knight tip.

Last one http://i.imgur.com/7HT6ejT.jpg I think it is Infinity, but I am not sure.

that demon is the Jorogumo from the Kensei range http://shop.zenitminiatures.es/product.php?id_product=160

It's also from a spanish company, but no. That one (and the rest from that pic) is from Anima Tactics. This one:

http://www.edgeent.com/v2/edge_tienda_detalle.asp?etidi=1823

Wow, that paintwork. Um... yeah.

 warboss wrote:
[qote=stanman 521733 7116686 068bd85beba650c6f7cb90d81844be37.jpg]

You've clearly never posted in Dakka's own "pro painted!" Ebay thread. I agree that the paint jobs are pretty bad but they scream of Palladium sending several dozen minis to be assembled, prepped, and speed painted in less than two weeks INCLUDING mailing time both ways across the country and the weekends. They likely had one set/squadron/model (depending on which model) done nicely (see the "official" paint scheme zentraedi) with the rest 3 color basic standard.
]

Plenty of time, IMO. I painted 11 mierce axe drunes, 4 trolls, and 6 Infinity models in a week and a half and they're to a much much much higer standard. Any knucklehead, like me, with an airbrush could knock out better paint jobs on those things in 2 hours.

I was very surprised they didn't have any for sale tho.

 cincydooley wrote:

 warboss wrote:
[qote=stanman 521733 7116686 068bd85beba650c6f7cb90d81844be37.jpg]

You've clearly never posted in Dakka's own "pro painted!" Ebay thread. I agree that the paint jobs are pretty bad but they scream of Palladium sending several dozen minis to be assembled, prepped, and speed painted in less than two weeks INCLUDING mailing time both ways across the country and the weekends. They likely had one set/squadron/model (depending on which model) done nicely (see the "official" paint scheme zentraedi) with the rest 3 color basic standard.
]

Plenty of time, IMO. I painted 11 mierce axe drunes, 4 trolls, and 6 Infinity models in a week and a half and they're to a much much much higer standard. Any knucklehead, like me, with an airbrush could knock out better paint jobs on those things in 2 hours.

I was very surprised they didn't have any for sale tho.

I'm pretty sure those were painted by Palladium's Jeff Burke, obviously an RPG guy.

More pics that someone posted
http://theback40k.blogspot.com.ar/2014/08/gencon-palladium.html?m=1

I was referring to the dark colored pods below that were definitely painted by BTP and are pretty bad rushed job of 3 colors minimum standard quality.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zeQHgQIwFpA/U-1qqxhJXtI/AAAAAAAAOJM/G7YhN8Tb8Mo/s800/2014-08-14+14.41.24.jpg

But, yeah, the ones Stanman originally posted look fan made.

 warboss wrote:
I was referring to the dark colored pods below that were definitely painted by BTP and are pretty bad rushed job of 3 colors minimum standard quality.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zeQHgQIwFpA/U-1qqxhJXtI/AAAAAAAAOJM/G7YhN8Tb8Mo/s800/2014-08-14+14.41.24.jpg

Yeah, I'm not familiar with BTP but someone said they usually take 6+ weeks, these were definitely rushed.


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Just the same, that's about the limit of my skill, so I'd be happy to have mine like some of those.



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Just glad they did not do any in pink

Purple one


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They're all just a bit gak.
Posted my opinion on the KS page, so some copypasta:
The minis themselves appear to be reasonably good actually - some visible seams/joins which look like they should be simple enough to correct during build (nothing I wouldn't expect really). The tailplane on the guardian / gerwalk mode valkyries is a bit strange - would probably have done that as a separate part to get thinner wings, but with good paintwork it's easy enough to hide. The paintwork on the demo stuff is dire. Really really bad - the sort of stuff you see brand new 'pro painters' (ie 15 year old kids) attempt to put out. The display stuff is not great either - very shaky freehand, poor wash work, and very little effort put in to build them properly (the aforementioned fix for the seams would have taken maybe 5-10 mins per model). And the OSL (lighting effect) on some of the models is amateur level at best. Not having the time to do a good job does not mean a poor job should be shoe-horned in. It'd have been better to be late, or display fewer painted pieces of better quality. That's my 2p's worth anyway.