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Wow, it's almost like you guys are bitching just to bitch. The paint jobs for the models in the display case are just great for being 1/285 models. Specifically, whoever the painter was for the mecha that have the symbols on the bases is fantastic. I don't think many of you quite realize how small these bastards are. As a long time Battletech player with like at least two hundred and some 'mechs, I cannot _wait_ to see the gak that everyone starts producing when they're not used to painting at such a small scale. There's a huuuuge difference between painting a 35mm tall Warmachine or Space Marine model with giant ham fists and melon heads and easy detail versus that goddamn 3d printed MWO Centurion I painted the other week with what is I swear knuckle joints measured in microns.

Agreed Judgedoug, long ago I traded everything I had for Batteltech minis. The Battletech guys seem really happy with these too if Facebook is any indication.

@ judgedoug

I agree that the ones with rdf symbol are better painted. Except when you look at some of the zent pods with the guns in black they look half finished. The demo pieces are atrocious, but then again there going to be manhandled so it's forgivable. I have the GC exclusives so I know how small they are. The zent stuff is as big as a dreadnought. The valkyrie is taller than a space marine. It may not be exaggerated with giant hands or a melon sized head but these aren't tiny figures either. Your right about how some want to bitch just for the heck of it. In this case it's understandable considering it was a rush job. PB has given a sloppy presentation of themselves and RRT GC.

The valks themselves are taller than the BT minis. So again for those who bitch it's understandably so in this case. If you have the GC figs yourself then you already know this. If not you shouldn't talk bub.

Yup, Mike, It's pretty much the hardest scale to paint because details are so small, but are significant enough that you can't ignore them like you can ignore in picoarmor 1/600 to 1/2400 scale. You can't just airbrush all over everything like the current sculpting and models trend in Warmahordes and Warhammer/40k to make everything as big as possible.

I feel like a lot of people just have zero experience with 1/285 stuff, and their minds are telling them these models are like 5 or 6 inches tall as they have no frame of reference, or their only frame of reference are maybe Epic titans, which are still far more massive than these guys.

So I'm just like the Battletech guys... with a stupid amount of experience in painting the tiniest things ever: those models and those display case paint jobs look just great.

 judgedoug wrote:
Wow, it's almost like you guys are bitching just to bitch. The paint jobs for the models in the display case are just great for being 1/285 models. Specifically, whoever the painter was for the mecha that have the symbols on the bases is fantastic. I don't think many of you quite realize how small these bastards are. As a long time Battletech player with like at least two hundred and some 'mechs, I cannot _wait_ to see the gak that everyone starts producing when they're not used to painting at such a small scale. There's a huuuuge difference between painting a 35mm tall Warmachine or Space Marine model with giant ham fists and melon heads and easy detail versus that goddamn 3d printed MWO Centurion I painted the other week with what is I swear knuckle joints measured in microns.

I know *exactly* how small they are. And they're still gak. Paulson's prototypes are if anything a hair smaller:




In terms of speed; I could churn 10-15 pods of this standard or 20 destroids in around a week.

So yeah, I feel justified in stating these are crap. Have a look at the shots of the Heavy Gear display models for some really nice work.

winterdyne wrote:

I know *exactly* how small they are. And they're still gak. Paulson's prototypes are if anything a hair smaller:

Yours are really nice, certainly, but I think I like the ones on the bases with the symbols in the display case better, as they are really clean and smooth and look like they're actually in a cel of animation, which is what I think I may personally be painting mine as. Currently all my Battletech stuff is super gritty.

edit: I must say though I really love your work in general though. Actually your paint job on Mantic's mawbeasts is what convinced me to get an entire cavalry army of Mawbeasts and Mincers for Kings of War. Of course they're all still unpainted, haha.

Judgedoug

I don't think you have any idea on the sizes of these things.

 judgedoug wrote:
Wow, it's almost like you guys are bitching just to bitch. The paint jobs for the models in the display case are just great for being 1/285 models. Specifically, whoever the painter was for the mecha that have the symbols on the bases is fantastic. I don't think many of you quite realize how small these bastards are. As a long time Battletech player with like at least two hundred and some 'mechs, I cannot _wait_ to see the gak that everyone starts producing when they're not used to painting at such a small scale. There's a huuuuge difference between painting a 35mm tall Warmachine or Space Marine model with giant ham fists and melon heads and easy detail versus that goddamn 3d printed MWO Centurion I painted the other week with what is I swear knuckle joints measured in microns.

Um.

Most everyone is saying the ones in the display case are acceptable and the ones being used for demos are gak.
And I've got a similar amount of mechs as you, and the demo ones are still gak. I can do better and I hate painting.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
@ judgedoug

I agree that the ones with rdf symbol are better painted. Except when you look at some of the zent pods with the guns in black they look half finished. The demo pieces are atrocious, but then again there going to be manhandled so it's forgivable.

Yeah, definitely, the ones on gravel bases are just fine, not great. They pass the "3 foot rule", it looks good from three feet, but not good up close.
The demo pieces are just awful, but I think those are the same ones from the last demo they did, right? Regardless, they should look much much nicer for demos to show off your product.
But again, the only pieces I've been specifically praising are the ones painted by the guy who kept the bases blank/with faction symbols.

 Cypher-xv wrote:

I have the GC exclusives so I know how small they are. The zent stuff is as big as a dreadnought. The valkyrie is taller than a space marine. It may not be exaggerated with giant hands or a melon sized head but these aren't tiny figures either. Your right about how some want to bitch just for the heck of it. In this case it's understandable considering it was a rush job. PB has given a sloppy presentation of themselves and RRT GC.
The valks themselves are taller than the BT minis. So again for those who bitch it's understandably so in this case. If you have the GC figs yourself then you already know this. If not you shouldn't talk bub.

I also have the Max and Miriya. The Max is smaller than most Battletech mechs - about 3/4 the size of a Battlemaster for anyone who might have that as a reference, so I know the Robotech mecha are a straight up bitch to paint for any level of details.


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 Cypher-xv wrote:
Judgedoug

I don't think you have any idea on the sizes of these things.

Then you would be 100% mistaken!


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rigeld2 wrote:

Um.

Most everyone is saying the ones in the display case are acceptable and the ones being used for demos are gak.
And I've got a similar amount of mechs as you, and the demo ones are still gak. I can do better and I hate painting.

As someone who only occasionally visits this thread and usually agrees with the Palladium hate, it seemed like people were criticizing the paint jobs as collateral damage for just being really angry at Palladium all the time. Palladium pretty much deserves 100% of everything people throw at them, certainly. But I saw the display case pieces and was like 'dayum! Those are sweeeet! Now I am really looking forward to getting stuff, even if the rules blow chunks and I use Alpha Strike instead!" and then see a page or two of more indiscriminate hate, I was like "hold up now, these paint jobs are excellent."

The demo ones are definitely gak. I probably have some mechs that look like that because I did paint a company when I was drunk and tired a while back, but I don't even think they've seen the tabletop, haha. Certainly nothing I'd want to use to showcase to the public.

I stand corrected. I didn't have a hard time painting my max fig. I'm no pro painter but it was pretty simple.

 judgedoug wrote:
Yup, Mike, It's pretty much the hardest scale to paint because details are so small, but are significant enough that you can't ignore them like you can ignore in picoarmor 1/600 to 1/2400 scale. You can't just airbrush all over everything like the current sculpting and models trend in Warmahordes and Warhammer/40k to make everything as big as possible.

I feel like a lot of people just have zero experience with 1/285 stuff, and their minds are telling them these models are like 5 or 6 inches tall as they have no frame of reference, or their only frame of reference are maybe Epic titans, which are still far more massive than these guys.

So I'm just like the Battletech guys... with a stupid amount of experience in painting the tiniest things ever: those models and those display case paint jobs look just great.

I have no idea where you're getting this idea. The SMALLEST stuff in this project bigger than the size of a space marine (for the RDF stuff) and between a terminator and centurion for most of the zent stuff. The scale "number" might indicate a smaller model in theory but in actual practice these will be easier to paint than your average 40k mini as the details on the robotech models will in the vast majority of cases be bigger than even 28mm "heroic" scaled models like humans in 40k and warmahordes.

I'm not a great painter, but I feel for just getting into the hobby my painting on an amateur level is decent quality. Not as good as the display case, which I think looks pretty good, but definitely better and cleaner than the demo pieces.

That being said, I don't really care one way or the other. I'm more concerned about actually receiving my product and whether or not the game plays well. Realistically though, as I'm starting to get into MtG *edit* on top of my current 40k habit (Tyranids currently, would like to start a SM and Necron army) */edit*, I'll just ebay it and fund my 40k/Magic habits.

Perhaps the paint jobs are gakky because the base models they are working with are gakky?

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Judgedoug

I don't think you have any idea on the sizes of these things.

Plus it is rude to just assume we don't own hunderd of Battletech models are self. My unseen would like a word.

If you ladies are done with the "Who has the bigger Battletech collection" d!ck measuring contest, can we get back to hating on Palladium? K thx bye!

vitae_drinker wrote:
If you ladies are done with the "Who has the bigger Battletech collection" d!ck measuring contest, can we get back to hating on Palladium? K thx bye!

Your right we should be talking about how PB hired one of the worse painting company (BTP) to paint their demo models. Must of been cheap.

It's likely that the "rush rush" factor significantly added to the cost.

 Easy E wrote:
Perhaps the paint jobs are gakky because the base models they are working with are gakky?

Looking at the unpainted ones, they look fine to actually quite good.

This level is painting is abysmal. Literally, they look like everyone's first ever painted space marine or whatnot. The very fact that it was clearly just slathered blue on those pods with thinning over black primer is horrific.

I've painted a lot of models, with far, far, far greater detail (I have over 90 painted Infinity models), and it's pretty clear those pods took a grand total of an hour from priming to painting.

Seriously shameful. Even rush commission jobs do NOT look like that. Think of it this way: Those things look worse than pre-paints, and this is your DEMO kit? Yes, Demo kits need to be durable and don't need to be perfect. But any half decent painter could do them better justice in 8 hours, then hardcoat the hell out of them.

Nice to see them demoing with the Dropzone Commander card city at least

How much actual RRT demoing is going on anyway.

Looking at the Gen Con catalog it looks like only 4 4-hour sessions are being run. That's it.

4 games in a room off the beaten path in a side room off the main Mariott ballroom.

 Killionaire wrote:
But any half decent painter could do them better justice in 8 hours, then hardcoat the hell out of them.

Yup

block colour, wash, base, hardcoat.

I wonder if many people defending the paint jobs have ever walked into a GW store. They dont spend weeks on each model that sit on their demo tables, quick tidy efficient paint jobs to get them done and onto the demo table and they look great.

I see Kevin has finally got you all to turn on each other for something unrelated to the actual delivery of this product in a timely manner.

For shame.


Get back to the real issues, like... where's my minis? Are the large gaps for ventilation of the mecha? Why are there no hilarious videos of Kevin squirming while being asked questions?

 TalonZahn wrote:
I see Kevin has finally got you all to turn on each other for something unrelated to the actual delivery of this product in a timely manner.

For shame.


Get back to the real issues, like... where's my minis? Are the large gaps for ventilation of the mecha? Why are there no hilarious videos of Kevin squirming while being asked questions?

Yeah I want to see some actual jazz hands, so hemming, some hawing, some full on, bull fecal recitation.

Kick starters are so tempting. I pledged $100 to Oculus VR, and $100 to an alien game.

Possible explanation on why Kevin was vexed yesterday.


"I believe the conversation with Kevin that is in question may have involved the phrases 'class-action lawsuit' and 'random searches are not so random when customs receives anonymous tips' as well as mentioning both that the current Attorney General in Washington State has filed a lawsuit against a company that failed to deliver a tabletop game in full on Kickstarter and that at least one complaint has been filed with the Attorney General in Michigan concerning Palladium Books. "


And here's why.


"Palladium Books really should have not made so many enemies and refused to pass out refunds to those that requested them. They may not have suffered so many headaches these past few months."


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I really think that conversation is just made up

Just got back from Gen Con and had a gander at the PB booth, the display models were decent although compared to the display models that Ninja Division (and most every other company has) they are really lacking. I found it funny that they were next to the Infinity booth which probably has the best display minis at the convention. The RRT demo models were terrible, a blind ten year old could have done better.

They had the tables set up with Drop Zone Commander terrain and it works well, however considering there were at least 3 other booths all using the same terrain to promote products they all kind of ran together visually. This was even more noticible in the gaming hall as there were about 12-15 tables of DZC terrain all fairly close together, being used for battletech, DZC (duh) and some other 15mm game (tomorrows war?) I love their terrain and use it for my own stuff as well, it was kind of surprising just how much of it there was around the convention which did give all the games a kind of generic look.

There was a lot of empty space in that booth almost like they had expected mountains of stock that never arrived. Stuff had been rearranged but it was pretty obvious they had a huge amount of booth space without a lot of content. Also one oddity I noticed was in their row of mugs they had several Robotech ones but what stood out was the mug using the artwork for their Macross II cover, which I don't think they are licensed to do as Harmony Gold doesn't own rights to that series or the designs. It would be funny if they got sued over some silly little mugs.


Battletech had a pretty big presence there compared to Adepticon, at the time I swung through there they had six or seven games being played there as well as having a dedicated painting area for their stuff. It looks like the 25th an boxed sets have perked up interest and I think a new source for unseens has also contributed. It'd be pretty amusing if Battletech sees a strong revival due to Robotech models becoming available while the Robotech game itself dies on the vine because of poor management.

Got to talk with Ninja John for a bit as usual he was a really cool guy, I remarked at just how professional and kick ass looking their display models were compared to another certain company... which was met by a sly smile and nod. They have a cool looking ninja/samurai chibi game in the works, and based on the banner artwork I expect I am going to be ears deep in.

Also Marie Claude one day you are going to kill somebody with those, but they will die very happy indeed.

Paulson what did ninja John say about PB or RRT?

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Paulson what did ninja John say about PB or RRT?

It's not polite to repeat secret ninja words.

Wow, that scathing huh?lol. Thanks anyway