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 Manchu wrote:
If you take a look at page 1 of this thread, you will that warboss suggested using the minis for Flight Path style gaming and me emphatically agreeing that is a great use for them.

I was just thinking of the pre-painted models they would produce.
Then the "mouth watering" concept would become a reality.
Never mind the rules which would be wonderful adding to great.

I would have been super happy with something this simple.

 Talizvar wrote:

I had a VERY bad thought, could you imagine if Fantasy Flight Games made a Robotech game? Like X-wing? My only thought would be: TAKE MY MONEY NOW, WILL $1000 COVER IT???!!!

Scary part is I think I am not joking.

With FFG's level of quality of minis, prepaints and rules? I'd be selling my car. I plan to use some of Palladium's lumps of plastic for X-Wing anyways. I might use different maneuver dials for the three VF modes, and changing mode as an action, or something.

In related news, if FFG ever releases a Gundam version of X-Wing, I'll be fethed forever.


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Mike1975 wrote:
I would have been super happy with something this simple.

Yeah, I said as much a long time ago :( You'll notice those have more detail than PB's lumps of plastic, and magically are not made as jigsaw puzzles.

I have 4 of each of these at home and use them in my games.

The VF-19's I use as YF-4's. I also got one Stealth in all 33 modes.

Not sure what to use the underwater VF for yet. The ones in the middle on the top pic.

Yeah, I would have been happy with those as well. We would have gotten 1/10 the minis for the $140 price tag of the blitzkrieg pledge but they would have been painted, much better looking, and come with better rules/support/communication. Just look at the feet on those gashapon and then compare them to the pic Bad Syntax posted of his primed veritech battloid.

Mike1975 wrote:
I have 4 of each of these at home and use them in my games.

The VF-19's I use as YF-4's. I also got one Stealth in all 33 modes.

Not sure what to use the underwater VF for yet. The ones in the middle on the top pic.

That's not really an underwater VF. It's a VA-3 Intruder:

http://macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/va-3.htm

Ground attack specialist.


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 warboss wrote:
Yeah, I would have been happy with those as well. We would have gotten 1/10 the minis for the $140 price tag of the blitzkrieg pledge but they would have been painted, much better looking, and come with better rules/support/communication. Just look at the feet on those gashapon and then compare them to the pic Bad Syntax posted of his primed veritech battloid.

I still console myself with the idea that the zent stuff is mainly savageable... and there aren't many gashapons of those. I'll buy gashas for Spacy combatants and I dunno, I'll sell the spacy crap or something.

It's really a bit much to call any of these minis crap.

Someone posted a link of another person who went to GC.

http://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/gencon-2014-battle-damage-assessment/


"Palladium Lowers the Bar:
For those of you not tracking the Robotech Tactics debacle at Palladium Games, here’s the short version. They ran a KickStarter for a miniatures game and ran into the exact same problems that almost every other company encounters in doing miniatures. They countered these issues with horrible communications and denials that they are missing dates (they are simply moving back delivery dates…duh.) Then before GenCon they announced that they had the product, but would not be delivering to their Kickstarter participants until after the Con. At the same time they announced they would be selling the game to the public at GenCon.
In an effort to pour kerosene on an already raging bonfire of hatred and distrust, Palladium announced an online vote to see if they would bring the product to GenCon – and that if you didn’t vote, they would count it as a “Yes” vote. Stalin would have been proud.
Well, I wanted to see the final product, maybe buy it. What I found was two empty demo tables and a stack of order forms. Apparently Palladium’s shipping container was hung up in customs. Gee, no surprise there – every KickStarter seems to encounter this. Palladium’s “strategy” at the convention was to get you to pay them for a game they didn’t have and had missed countless (okay five) dates on delivering on – and they would ship it to you someday-ish, maybe. I didn’t have to fight any crowds. In fact, it was like a tomb there. The few fans that Palladium had not pissed off found out they couldn’t add to their armies, because there was no new noticeable convention product, which managed to drive them to the ranks of the “Let’s Burn Palladium!” crowd. The SCA crowd was trying to sell pitchforks and torches to the agitated and fading fan-base that Palladium has managed defile at every turn.
The only good thing about Palladium’s public relations move is that people were more irritated at them than at WizKids (though it was a close race in my mind.)

 Manchu wrote:
It's really a bit much to call any of these minis crap.

From what I've seen so far, I reiterate my statement. Have you taken a look at the lack of detail (the parts basically only have detail in one face, if at all... the only real detail you can see in the rest of the faces are the seams), the softness of the detail there is, the production defects? I do assume you already have seen the completely nuts amount of parts, the fiddliness of them, the lack of poseability, the questionable decisions made on them...

It is quite evident to me that Palladium have chosen the cheapest of the el cheapo manufacturers, and it shows. Even with their suspect 3d designs, the amount of detail lost from said 3d designs to the actual models is staggering.

 Manchu wrote:
It's really a bit much to call any of these minis crap.

Not if you go by what been shown.

I have seen them in person and they are pretty nice, actually.

Someone out there must have pics of their Gencon booth 'in action' (or would that be 'booth inaction'?!?) - right?!?

 Manchu wrote:
I have seen them in person and they are pretty nice, actually.

I have Macross gashapons at home and I'm from the EU, so next year, when my Wave 1 stuff arrives, I'll be able to do an actual physical comparison.

Until then, I can only compare to pics.

 Manchu wrote:
I have seen them in person and they are pretty nice, actually.

And the rest can only go by what been shown online. As such they are pretty bad, you think they would of put their best foot forward in the pics. But, all I see are subpar models from what was said to be the top of the line production by PB. Yeah, NO.

Why would you rely on PB's word for what is "top of line" for miniatures? They have no experience with miniatures.

 Manchu wrote:
It's really a bit much to call any of these minis crap.

While I agree that calling the whole project crap is indeed very unfair, I would add that IMO parts of it are indeed crap like the destroids. The rest fall generally into the wide spectrum of "mediocre" (veritechs and glaugs) to decent (regults). Regardless of my opinions on the actual crunch, the rulebook itself and cards (with the minor caveat of reused art) look very nice especially given it coming from palladium who last updated their rpg book format back when Reagan was running for re-election. Nothing shown so far in wave one though has knocked my socks off.

 Manchu wrote:
Why would you rely on PB's word for what is "top of line" for miniatures? They have no experience with miniatures.

I'm not I am saying when someone calls their stuff great, them only shows crap in pics. I'm going to call it crap, I don't care what some ramdom person on the net says but what the photos show.

 Manchu wrote:
Why would you rely on PB's word for what is "top of line" for miniatures? They have no experience with miniatures.

Except for the ones they've been selling for over 25 years. They've had their toes in minis since the 1980s with the original lead robotech offerings. They're new to plastic minis but theyve been in the business of making and selling minis of their IP almost nonstop since the mid 1990s.

I am pretty impressed with the rulebook, rules aside. And I cannot wait to get some of those dice!


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Noir wrote:
I don't care what some ramdom person on the net says

That makes two of us.

 warboss wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Why would you rely on PB's word for what is "top of line" for miniatures? They have no experience with miniatures.

Except for the ones they've been selling for over 25 years. They've had their toes in minis since the 1980s with the original lead robotech offerings. They're new to plastic minis but theyve been in the business of making and selling minis of their IP almost nonstop since the mid 1990s.

Yup, I even have a Glitterboy.

 Manchu wrote:
Why would you rely on PB's word for what is "top of line" for miniatures? They have no experience with miniatures.

http://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Miniatures.html

I would like to formally make a request to the mods that a separate thread related solely to Robotech rules discussions be allowed to be created without being locked.

As we get closer to the arrival of the Robotech game, and with the entire rulebook available online to be viewed, I'd really like to discuss aspects of the game engine and not have to sift through the myriad volume of complaints related to the fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

I'd rather not just create a new thread without mod approval as it might seem like a separate redundant thread since this thread does have the occasional rules discussion.

 Albertorius wrote:
http://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Miniatures.html

So you would say the folks selling those miniatures are experts in miniature quality?


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 judgedoug wrote:
I would like to formally make a request to the mods that a separate thread related solely to Robotech rules discussions be allowed to be created without being locked.

As we get closer to the arrival of the Robotech game, and with the entire rulebook available online to be viewed, I'd really like to discuss aspects of the game engine and not have to sift through the myriad volume of complaints related to the fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

I'd rather not just create a new thread without mod approval as it might seem like a separate redundant thread since this thread does have the occasional rules discussion.

Yes, this sounds like a good idea. Please go ahead and open a Rules Discussion thread in this same sub-forum.

Talk about Palladium PR, KS delivery issues, and miniature quality can stay ITT. Thanks!

 Manchu wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
http://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Miniatures.html

So you would say the folks selling those miniatures are experts in miniature quality?

I would say they are not new to selling miniatures and not inexperienced at that. After all, doing it for about 25 years is almost as long as GW. Do you disagree?

 warboss wrote:
They're new to plastic minis but theyve been in the business of making and selling minis of their IP almost nonstop since the mid 1990s.

Compared to what they have been selling, their RoboTech minis are top of the line.

 Manchu wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
http://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Miniatures.html

So you would say the folks selling those miniatures are experts in miniature quality?

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. It's not our fault palladium seemingly learned very little about minis in their multiple decades of making and selling them!

 Manchu wrote:

 warboss wrote:
They're new to plastic minis but theyve been in the business of making and selling minis of their IP almost nonstop since the mid 1990s.

Compared to what they have been selling, their RoboTech minis are top of the line.

Compared with what everybody else is selling, though...

Even then, I'd say their old minis might even have more defined details:

 Albertorius wrote:
I would say they are not new to selling miniatures and not inexperienced at that. After all, doing it for about 25 years is almost as long as GW. Do you disagree?

Yes, I disagree. I would say selling metal minis to RPGers decades ago (i.e., Palladium's current model) is absolutely nothing like selling plastic kits to war gamers in 2012 and after. As you can see from this very thread, I jumped on this KS very early on and somehow never once got the idea that the miniatures would be better than GW's stuff. Aside from Palladium's inexperience, the other big clue was the involvement of Ninja Division, which does not IMO make very good miniatures, either.

 warboss wrote:
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. It's not our fault palladium seemingly learned very little about minis in their multiple decades of making and selling them!

Honestly, I could say the same thing about almost everything Reaper makes.

 Albertorius wrote:
Even then, I'd say their old minis might even have more defined details:

If that is your standard, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by RoboTech minis with a good paintjob, unless of course you are already committed to an opinion.

 Manchu wrote:
Honestly, I could say the same thing about almost everything Reaper makes.

I think reaper has done a great job within the self imposed restriction of one piece metals at least with their characters. I wasnt a fan of the CAV sculpts though. Ymmv.

Thanks Manchu -

Mike 1975, Swabby, Dark Severence, and everyone else,
all rules discussions are now located here
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/612122.page

and this thread is now for discussion of Palladium PR, Kickstarter issues, and miniatures quality only, per Dakka mod approval.