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2014/09/18 22:56:45
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Yeah, I knew but was just mentioning an alternative use (and likely the reason they're there). I don't have any problem with the dice and it is nice you're organizing it. I personally don't have any interest as I don't see malcontents as a real faction as they just steal from everyone else. If they had included some rules for frankenmecha or whatever they were called, that'd be a different story but in any case it is just an opinion.
So, I went to the palladium site today looking to see if they had an update for the week since the KS hasn't had one for the past three weeks and saw another closed thread and NMI up to his old antics. Anyone included in today's cull? If so, for how long? My money is on forar and kryptt (who I believe posts here as well under a different name). Oh, and any derogatory and condescending posts in favor of palladium will be ignored by NMI of course.
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2014/09/18 23:15:47
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
warboss wrote: So, I went to the palladium site today looking to see if they had an update for the week since the KS hasn't had one for the past three weeks and saw another closed thread and NMI up to his old antics. Anyone included in today's cull? If so, for how long? My money is on forar and kryptt (who I believe posts here as well under a different name). Oh, and any derogatory and condescending posts in favor of palladium will be ignored by NMI of course.
Yeah, I figured it'd be Glistsam and Kryptt. As I told Forar, he might cop it because of prior events, but still, it was pretty mild. Then again, it is NMI, and like PB itself, it's hard to underestimate just how poorly they'll operate. If nothing else, that guy is going to be completely detrimental to any form of official online community developing. Because you know he'll be in a position of power (banhammer moderator), if not actually in charge of the operation. And while I think unofficial places like Mike's FB and Jaymz's Forums have their place, if the official forum is hostile to it's fanbase, the online community suffers.
2014/09/18 23:18:19
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar said "oh snap" which likely falls under NMI's shifting scale category of "insulting palladium, no matter how subtle". Thoughtcrime is a thing on the megaversal forums.
In any case, I found this interesting bit as well from Wayne in another thread:
"I just ran across this thread, so let me post a quick couple of answers. I am working on a bigger update for the Kickstarter page that will go up tonight.
It isn't quite correct to say that the bigger the pledge, the later it will ship. What I said in an update was that we'd go roughly in order of BackerKit ID number, but that it would largely depend on what we had in our warehouse to ship, i.e. when we have everything in your Wave One rewards, we can ship your goodies. We didn't get some of everything in container #1, we only got certain items. The same goes for container #2, but it will get us much, much closer, and a bunch more people can get their rewards once #2 comes in, with a whole lot more a week later when #3 comes in. With container #3, we'll have all of most items, and 2,000+ of everything. After that, each container will just bring more to restock us as we ship things out.
We WILL NOT ship to retailers until all backer rewards go out. Please don't start any speculation about a vote on that. It's not going to happen. It's not a situation like Gen Con was, which obviously we couldn't push back by a week or a month (if only we could have). The retailers and distributors know that they have to wait until the backer rewards ship.
So, to answer the OP's question: Where's your stuff?
Some of it might be in our warehouse, waiting for the rest of it to arrive. Some of it might be in container #2, which was picked up from the port today, is being loaded into another container, and will depart LA by train tomorrow. Or in container #3, which is at sea right now. Or in container #4, which was delivered to the port in China yesterday, etc.
As for when we'll be finished shipping to backers, we're expecting to finish shipping Wave One rewards sometime in October. That's when we should have received enough containers full of product to fulfill all the backers' Wave One rewards. Once we have the goods, we should be able to ship them out pretty quickly by then.
I'm sorry it's taking so long. I really am. And I'm sorry I didn't post an update last week. It was 2:30am by the time I got our regular Weekly Update posted and left the office last Friday night, and I just couldn't do any more. I've been working on it sporadically this week, but other things have pulled me away, including today (which is why I'm not done with it yet). Don't be surprised if a bunch of this ends up in it."
Asterios wrote: Robotech is not history, but Heroes, the Heroes never lose, they always win, so if we went by actual TV show history
You are confusing reenacting a TV show with playing a game that emulates the theme of that TV show.
no when you consider if I emulate the theme of the show I as the Zentraedi would have thousands upon thousands of mecha and such, while the UEDF could only have like a few hundred mecha, which would make a game very unbalanced.
I think perhaps this is all a big misunderstanding.
This is a points based game so that people can have a roughly equal match. Within those confines, the rules appear to be written in a way to emulate some of the heroics of the show (Breetai kickin' booty in close combat, Spartans punching things left and right, hordes of Regults blasting stuff, etc). But by ignoring the confines of the points matching system, we can certainly play any number of scenarios that would pit Zentraedi against RDF at an overwhelming ratio; but for that to be a "historical scenario" it would, say, be fought around the SDF-1, with the Zentraedi specifically trying to limit or cause no collateral damage to the SDF-1. However, I'd still play a "neverending swarm of Zentraedi versus hopeless RDF defenders" scenario just to see how long the RDF forces could last. 300-style, or the great scenario in War of the Ring where the Balrog and goblins are wiping out the dwarves in Moria - the victory condition is based purely on how long the Dwarves can hold out (the victory a pyrrhic one, but fun to play regardless)
However, a points-match game of roughly equal forces does fairly emulate the post-Zentraedi Holocaust skirmishes, with a patrol of a Valkyrie squadron having to put down an uprising of grumpy Zentraedi, or Khyron and his cadre of elite N-Gers successfully raiding of New Detroit to get the Protoculture resizing chamber (where they stomped a bunch of destroids and regular VF-1A dudes). (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbPto08_OHc#t=792 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbPto08_OHc#t=914 Spanish dub)
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2014/09/19 00:28:59
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
warboss wrote: Forar said "oh snap" which likely falls under NMI's shifting scale category of "insulting palladium, no matter how subtle". Thoughtcrime is a thing on the megaversal forums.
Oh, absolutely. Ad it's not like Forar's engendered any brownie points. Hell, the way NMI operates, Forar probably would have been on the warning list even if he hadn't posted at all.
warboss wrote: In any case, I found this interesting bit as well from Wayne in another thread:
"I just ran across this thread, so let me post a quick couple of answers. I am working on a bigger update for the Kickstarter page that will go up tonight.
It isn't quite correct to say that the bigger the pledge, the later it will ship. What I said in an update was that we'd go roughly in order of BackerKit ID number, but that it would largely depend on what we had in our warehouse to ship, i.e. when we have everything in your Wave One rewards, we can ship your goodies. We didn't get some of everything in container #1, we only got certain items. The same goes for container #2, but it will get us much, much closer, and a bunch more people can get their rewards once #2 comes in, with a whole lot more a week later when #3 comes in. With container #3, we'll have all of most items, and 2,000+ of everything. After that, each container will just bring more to restock us as we ship things out.
We WILL NOT ship to retailers until all backer rewards go out. Please don't start any speculation about a vote on that. It's not going to happen. It's not a situation like Gen Con was, which obviously we couldn't push back by a week or a month (if only we could have). The retailers and distributors know that they have to wait until the backer rewards ship.
So, to answer the OP's question: Where's your stuff? Some of it might be in our warehouse, waiting for the rest of it to arrive. Some of it might be in container #2, which was picked up from the port today, is being loaded into another container, and will depart LA by train tomorrow. Or in container #3, which is at sea right now. Or in container #4, which was delivered to the port in China yesterday, etc.
As for when we'll be finished shipping to backers, we're expecting to finish shipping Wave One rewards sometime in October. That's when we should have received enough containers full of product to fulfill all the backers' Wave One rewards. Once we have the goods, we should be able to ship them out pretty quickly by then.
I'm sorry it's taking so long. I really am. And I'm sorry I didn't post an update last week. It was 2:30am by the time I got our regular Weekly Update posted and left the office last Friday night, and I just couldn't do any more. I've been working on it sporadically this week, but other things have pulled me away, including today (which is why I'm not done with it yet). Don't be surprised if a bunch of this ends up in it."
As Kendachi pointed out on the KS Comments, there's definitely some potential concern over what is and isn't in C#2 and C#3, and what will and won't be sent out.
But for me, the three points that got me rolling my eyes, were "a week later when C#3 comes in", because it's just endemic of PB's "everything is awesome!" attitude. Given the complete debacle of C#1 (Yeah, Customs, but guess what, should not have been a surprise, and should definitely not have been ignored) and C#2 (It'll be 7-10 days after C#1, except it's closer to 60, with no real explanation beyond "manufacturing delay"), any kind of statement should be heavily disclaimered.
The second is "We WILL NOT ship to retailers until all backer rewards go out.". You know what'd help with avoiding that kind of speculation from happening? Keeping us properly informed. When you have Kevin talking about retailers getting it in a couple of months (Sep 12 PBWU), when Kevin's own cut and paste in the same PBWU and online store both say "In stores September, 2014.", when shipping of containers has been an ongoing joke, and when there still seems to be no announced process of what's happening with EU shipping, yeah, I think you lose the benefit of the doubt on this.
EDIT, there seems to be a shift from "Backers get theirs first", to "Backers will go out first". It might not seem like much of a difference, but depending on location, and especially the EU thing, the change in wording could mean people in the EU buying it and receiving it, from retail stores, before Pledges get delivered.
The third is minor, but something I just find meh. There's no reason a KS Update has to be end of week. OK, you didn't have time to finish up one before end of last week, because you were so super busy etc. But given you missed the prior one (even with notification), doing one at the earliest opportunity this week, wasn't out of the question.
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2014/09/19 00:54:21
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Sining wrote: Has the 2nd container come in? Was there an update on this?
"Some of it might be in container #2, which was picked up from the port today, is being loaded into another container, and will depart LA by train tomorrow."
It's on the PB Forums, abandoned hellscape that it is.
Wayne said there'd be a KS Update tonight. So, expect it tonight. Or tomorrow. Or next week. If it's late, he'll apologize and promise to do better.
2014/09/19 02:27:41
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
The second is "We WILL NOT ship to retailers until all backer rewards go out.". You know what'd help with avoiding that kind of speculation from happening?
I'd have guessed "Not breaking your previous half dozen or more promises about almost the same thing..." but I guess your answer works too.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And in the same thread I linked above, now Wayne says that they need possibly 6 containers to fulfill backer rewards. Didn't the previous post on the subject mention 3 or 4 containers?
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2014/09/19 02:57:56
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Originally it was 4-5, then Kevin changed it to 3-4, now it's maybe 5-6.
Honestly, I think it just changes based on whether they want to undersell how close we are (only a few more containers, guys!) or oversell it (it's going to be a long while guys, buckle up, keep the faith!).
Frankly, there should not be a 200% spread present (between 3 and 6) about this gak, but here we are.
Also, it's flattering, but as some random donkey cave, I don't think I've made it high enough even for petty little tyrants like NMI to really take note of me.
.... yet.
>.>
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2014/09/19 04:07:46
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
"It's not a situation like Gen Con was, which obviously we couldn't push back by a week or a month (if only we could have)".
Wow - the good folks at Palladium just totally do not get how bad a PR disaster that whole situation turned out for them, even though it didn't happen as the company intended.
"Some of it might be in container #2, which was picked up from the port today, is being loaded into another container, and will depart LA by train tomorrow."
Wait, what? Since when do ISO containers get put into other containers - because the whole point is not to have to break-bulk the cargo in the first place....
And if the container wasn't at capacity with PB products and thus had to be filled up with something else before being put on the ship, only to be unloaded at LA for further trans-shipping, brings to mind a lot more WTF?! questions.
Just from a casual read in this thread every now and then PB is clearly an organization whose update page should have a banner reading, "Find news here as we make it up."
It's like reading Yahoo articles and hoping for any substantive content.
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2014/09/19 05:26:34
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
"It's not a situation like Gen Con was, which obviously we couldn't push back by a week or a month (if only we could have)".
Wow - the good folks at Palladium just totally do not get how bad a PR disaster that whole situation turned out for them, even though it didn't happen as the company intended.
Apparently not. All of their own making, compounded twice after the initial error (the "silence = consent" vote, then the "just trying to provoke a reaction" non-apology). But like most things critical, they just dismiss it, and pretend it never happens. Or blame someone else. Evil gnomes, maybe? I'm pretty sure Jon Paulson has a gif.
"Some of it might be in container #2, which was picked up from the port today, is being loaded into another container, and will depart LA by train tomorrow."
Wait, what? Since when do ISO containers get put into other containers - because the whole point is not to have to break-bulk the cargo in the first place....
And if the container wasn't at capacity with PB products and thus had to be filled up with something else before being put on the ship, only to be unloaded at LA for further trans-shipping, brings to mind a lot more WTF?! questions.
Just from a casual read in this thread every now and then PB is clearly an organization whose update page should have a banner reading, "Find news here as we make it up."
It's like reading Yahoo articles and hoping for any substantive content.
That tends to be the trend. PB clarifies something in a way that opens up more questions than it answers. They're the gaming equivalent of "Lost". I had a similar "Umm... that's not how containers are supposed to work" moment, then, like most things, just chalked it up to Wayne not knowing, understanding or caring what was actually happening, or as you mentioned, either PB or the shipping company* screwed up, and they're trying to pass it off as "standard operating procedure". Or, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, in this new era of transparency (Update 154), we'll not be privy to it.
* It's unlikely it's the shipping company's fault, because the figurative bus went past, and Palladium didn't throw them under it.
2014/09/19 11:50:03
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
All this tells me is That B does not care for the backers, they did not rush product out for the backers, that should be evident by the fact they do not have all of the wave one items (and evidently won't have them till container #3), they rushed product over that they could sell at GC, the backers were an after thought since they already have our money and don't care for us.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2014/09/19 12:11:33
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar wrote: According to Wayne on their forums, they will be able to begin shipping Battle cry boxes with container 2.
Notice on the KS comments how more and more names nobody has ever seen before are checking in to register their displeasure?
Anyway, I think it's funny we still get the occasional delusional person who checks in to say "PB is screwing up so hard they should include free stuff for BC and above!" Yeah, sure, that's gonna happen.
2014/09/19 14:04:36
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Yeah, there are definitely some non-regulars showing up, and the update went out late. Today should be fun for that alone.
And agreed on the 'olive branch'. Y'know, as I've said before, I wouldn't turn down an extra sprue or four, but frankly I'd rather see them clean up their act and start treating this project and the backers with the professionalism something of this scale deserves.
Neither are likely to happen anytime soon, but hey, at least C2 will allow them to start shipping Battle Cry boxes. Which make up ~90% of their backers. And maybe they can start that in a week and a half. A full month after "shipping started".
*jazz hands*
2014/09/19 14:18:54
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
It's one thing after another with these guys (PB).
Just... wow. I was kind of wondering why I hadn't received anything yet, and here was this update saying "We got the rest of the stuff to send to everyone else!" imp[implication being that if I had ordered just the game, with no extras (I forget what level that was...), I'd have received it by now. I spent more- the Battle Cry level and added a bunch more stuff.
The extra's I've ordered won't be available until Wave 1 ships... I wonder if this means I won't get anything until Wave 1 ships?
Just one thing after another, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what actually happens.
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2014/09/19 14:19:10
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Neither are likely to happen anytime soon, but hey, at least C2 will allow them to start shipping Battle Cry boxes. Which make up ~90% of their backers. And maybe they can start that in a week and a half. A full month after "shipping started".
*jazz hands*
Waynebert said they would be able to start shipping them with C2. That doesn't mean it's true - particularly since they continually seem to be mystified by what is actually in the containers. They certainly seem to know nothing until they open it up in Michigan.
The one group that is actually funnier than the "I WANTS FREE STUFF!" group are the "I just hope they use this is a learning experience to suck less". Sure, 30 years of history argue against it, but maybe this time it will be different!
When they do their next KS I can only imagine that they'll make a big deal about what they learned from the first one. Makes me think of this scene for some reason:
2014/09/19 14:28:24
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar wrote: According to Wayne on their forums, they will be able to begin shipping Battle cry boxes with container 2.
Notice on the KS comments how more and more names nobody has ever seen before are checking in to register their displeasure?
Anyway, I think it's funny we still get the occasional delusional person who checks in to say "PB is screwing up so hard they should include free stuff for BC and above!" Yeah, sure, that's gonna happen.
Well, I was one of THOSE delusional backers that thought that by voicing my displeasure finally, they would think to include something.
After having paid attention to the comments on the updates since the voting fiasco, as well as here, I have come to realize they only care in so much as they can start selling it to retailers. As stated before, Ebay will get my stuff...maybe I'll keep one of the battle cry's just for the limited edition stuff...
*edited for spelling (disillusioned to delusional)*
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2014/09/19 14:28:36
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
They are going to need a hardened dude or gal to patrol the comments if they do another campaign.
The $1 brigade will be there in force, and it will be a gakshow from start to finish.
I'd be shocked if it didn't fund (the true believers alone will make that happen), but another million plus? Even a slick ND campaign will probably struggle to pull that off, especially with the latter series (even 2 and 3 together might be a tough sell, depending on a bunch of factors).
2014/09/19 14:33:58
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
It would depend on how much their initial goal for funding would be, Forar.
If the bar were set low enough, say $10,000, and they get funded by their loyalists to a mere $20,000, they would proclaim how wonderful a feat of doubling their original goal is.
2014/09/19 14:46:17
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Did any one get there stuff yet ? I have seen a lot of updates , but haven't heard from them . If this is the wrong thread to discuss this . could some one help with a link . Thanks everyone
MattRendar wrote: Did any one get there stuff yet ? I have seen a lot of updates , but haven't heard from them . If this is the wrong thread to discuss this . could some one help with a link . Thanks everyone
A couple random people have gotten them and mentioned it here or on the KS comments. An extremely tiny number. Why? Who knows, it's Palladium Boox.
Hmm..that was a typo but it fits, somehow. I'm gonna leave it.
2014/09/19 15:10:15
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
~5% of the backers are just getting a Rick model. That's not until wave 2.
Another 5%'ish are just getting the core box. Many (most?) of these seem to have gone out.
~90% of the backers are waiting on a shipment type (Battle Cry box) that they cannot send out until Container 2 arrives, and then only some of them. Container 3, supposed to arrive in early October or so, should enhance that ability to deliver, but they've speculated that it might take container 4, 5 or even 6 to fully deliver.
vOv
So they have started shipping.*
*An extremely small amount of stuff out of what needs to go out.
2014/09/19 16:15:49
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Well, I'm finally out. Another backer has bought me out in the entirety, having previously bought half, so I'm no longer tied to this turkey (the official bird of Palladium, according to Facebook), and I'm freeeeeeeee!
I was content to run out the clock, and potentially lose on selling the second pledge on EBay, and having to deal with the likely excruciating wait for Wave 2, but I essentially got my money back (I ate the Paypal transaction fees), but it's no longer my problem.
I'll still be watching this calamity unfold, but as an amused bystander, not a resigned backer.
2014/09/19 16:22:48
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Morgan Vening wrote: Well, I'm finally out. Another backer has bought me out in the entirety, having previously bought half, so I'm no longer tied to this turkey (the official bird of Palladium, according to Facebook), and I'm freeeeeeeee!
I was content to run out the clock, and potentially lose on selling the second pledge on EBay, and having to deal with the likely excruciating wait for Wave 2, but I essentially got my money back (I ate the Paypal transaction fees), but it's no longer my problem.
I'll still be watching this calamity unfold, but as an amused bystander, not a resigned backer.
Congrats, and welcome to the club!
Its much better with popcorn. Screw reality TV, we have Palladium! So much better.
2014/09/19 16:40:52
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
MattRendar wrote: Did any one get there stuff yet ? I have seen a lot of updates , but haven't heard from them . If this is the wrong thread to discuss this . could some one help with a link . Thanks everyone
It's the correct thread. If you look back a few pages, one of us dakkites got their stuff and posted some assembled mini pics. As forar said, they've basically only shipped the really small pledges like art prints and first contacts with add ons that were supposed to be for gencon. Apparently in prioritizing the containers, they placed a premium on what they planned on selling at gencon and didn't pack the first container with battlecry pledges despite those being in the majority and the basis of the other popular pledges. Backers are priority number 2 (gencon resellers being #1)... unless they feel like breaking another promise and squeezing in retailers ahead of us for the "good of the game" that they're sure we'll understand.. yadda, yadda.. xmas sales critical to the games success... they really do love and respect us prepaid customers, etc.
2014/09/19 16:42:38
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Morgan Vening wrote: Well, I'm finally out. Another backer has bought me out in the entirety, having previously bought half, so I'm no longer tied to this turkey (the official bird of Palladium, according to Facebook), and I'm freeeeeeeee!
I was content to run out the clock, and potentially lose on selling the second pledge on EBay, and having to deal with the likely excruciating wait for Wave 2, but I essentially got my money back (I ate the Paypal transaction fees), but it's no longer my problem.
I'll still be watching this calamity unfold, but as an amused bystander, not a resigned backer.
Congrats, and welcome to the club!
Its much better with popcorn. Screw reality TV, we have Palladium! So much better.
But without the emotionally attached component, are the LOL's really there? I mean, it's funny as hell when a friend trips and falls face down into a manure pile, but if a stranger does, and you laugh, aren't you just being mean?
2014/09/19 16:53:20
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Morgan Vening wrote: Well, I'm finally out. Another backer has bought me out in the entirety, having previously bought half, so I'm no longer tied to this turkey (the official bird of Palladium, according to Facebook), and I'm freeeeeeeee!
I was content to run out the clock, and potentially lose on selling the second pledge on EBay, and having to deal with the likely excruciating wait for Wave 2, but I essentially got my money back (I ate the Paypal transaction fees), but it's no longer my problem.
I'll still be watching this calamity unfold, but as an amused bystander, not a resigned backer.
Did you go through the whole pay palladium and have them send you a check procedure? Or are you just sending it yourself to the other person when you get it?
2014/09/19 16:53:29
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
See, I wasn't really concerned with selling these things on Ebay until I saw the sprues. The thought of putting those things together hurts. I'm not a pro modeler, or painter, and I just want to be able to assemble them quickly, efficiently, and get to playing.
I might keep one of the battle cry pledges for the limited edition stuff and just recoup the cost of the rest.
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